# The SDMB Gun Picture Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [November 29, 2005, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sdmb-gun-picture-thread/333256 "2005-11-29T20:11:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![MessyPaint](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8baadc/32.png) [@MessyPaint](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MessyPaint)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2005, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sdmb-gun-picture-thread/333256/21 "2005-11-30T03:58:56Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > Just a fraction of the collection: > > [Russian SKS](http://home.austin.rr.com/perdurabo/sks.jpg) > > [Moisin-Nagant](http://pictures.auctionarms.com/328749/73d9801e59b25dd6027eb0df83eacabf.jpg) > > [M1 Garand](http://www.neaca.com/images/Garand_Springfield_14623xx_.JPG) > > [Lee-Enfield Mark III SMLE](http://www.battleorders.co.uk/acatalog/SMLE.JPG) > > [Lee-Enfield #4, Mark II](http://www.volny.cz/gaudeus/vystroj/no4mk1.jpeg) (mint, never been fired) > > Mausers. Lots and lots of Mausers. 1891, 1893, 1906, 1908M24/47, M98/85, M98/85 remanufactured, etc. from Sweden, Spain, Brazil, Argentina, Germany, Turkey, etc. in 6.5, 7, 7.65, 7.62NATO, and 8mm. > > [AMT Hardballer](http://www.nitroplus.co.jp/pc/ranking/gunimage/AMT-MODEL-HARDBALLER.jpg) > > [AMT Automag III](http://www.glossover.co.uk/amt/images/AutoMag_III.jpg) > > [Browning Hi Power](http://www.armchairgunshow.com/images/JX-5323%20HiPower.jpg) > > [S&W Highway Patrolman](http://world.guns.ru/handguns/sw_28.jpg) > > [Firestar .40cal](http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://world.guns.ru/handguns/firestar_45.jpg&imgrefurl=http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg113-e.htm&h=293&w=426&sz=14&tbnid=_Sd1DyitpCQJ:&tbnh=83&tbnw=122&hl=en&start=7&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dfirestar%2B.40%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D) > > [Taurus .44 Special](http://www.hipowersandhandguns.com/Comparing%2044%20Special%20to%2045%20Colt_files/image014.jpg) > > plus several .45s, a couple of .22 autos, a brace of Remington Model 1873 black powder pistols, 2 Baikal 9x18 Makarovs, several derringers in .32ACP, and scattered shotguns. > šŸ˜ƒ silenus, even though i am far from interested in guns, i must say that you have a pretty sweet collection- i dont know if it is because i randomly recognize all the names of them, or if it seems like some of them are rare, cool nonetheless. seems like youā€™re shooting for a really nice collection šŸ˜› ---
**Author:** ![Duke\_of\_Rat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Duke\_of\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duke_of_Rat)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2005, 4:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sdmb-gun-picture-thread/333256/22 "2005-11-30T04:29:49Z")
> [@Cluricaun](#): > > [1907 Savage pistol](http://members.aol.com/savage1907/page/steel1a.jpg) I have at least one of every Savage auto pistol except the .45ā€¦ glad to see another ownerā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Krebbs](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/5fc32e/32.png) [@Mr.Krebbs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Krebbs)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2005, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sdmb-gun-picture-thread/333256/23 "2005-11-30T04:50:41Z")
Iā€™m envying **silenus** now, also. Especially for those Enfields. What kind of Hi-Power do you have, **silenus**? If itā€™s a real Belgian, do you know the year of manufacture? As far as the serial number thing, it is about paranoia. There is probably little that could be done with a firearmā€™s serial, but I prefer to be safe than sorry. ---
**Author:** ![JustAnotherGeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/58f4c7/32.png) [@JustAnotherGeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JustAnotherGeek)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2005, 5:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sdmb-gun-picture-thread/333256/24 "2005-11-30T05:38:09Z")
> [@JustAnotherGeek](#): > > My dad, on the other hand, has a really nice old 17th century rifle in his collection. I donā€™t think heā€™s got any pictures, tho. ā˜¹ :smack: Only off by about 200 years, there. :smack: :smack: :smack: Kentucky Long Rifle ~ 1800 or so. Looks kinda like [this one](http://www.airbum.com/NeatShtpix/LongRifle.html). ---
**Author:** ![Cluricaun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/bb73d2/32.png) [@Cluricaun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cluricaun)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2005, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sdmb-gun-picture-thread/333256/25 "2005-11-30T14:39:18Z")
> [@Duke of Rat](#): > > I have at least one of every Savage auto pistol except the .45ā€¦ glad to see another ownerā€¦ Yeah, Savages are nifty pistols. Mine apparently came from my Great Grandfather, who may or may not have been running guns for the IRA all those many years ago, so it has a interesting story too. However, itā€™s a collectorā€™s piece only. Oh, it shoots safely enough (had it checked by a gunsmith), but it has an approximately 300 pound trigger pull, and if I had to defend myself with it Iā€™d probably opt to just hit whatever it was with the gun. Do your Savage pistols have the hard rubber grips? If so, have you experienced any problems with getting them off without cracking? ---
**Author:** ![DeadlyAccurate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ac91a4/32.png) [@DeadlyAccurate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DeadlyAccurate)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2005, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sdmb-gun-picture-thread/333256/26 "2005-11-30T14:54:16Z")
Manufacturerā€™s photo: Pistol: [Beretta 21 Bobcat](http://www.berettausa.com/product/product_pistols_main.htm) in black (22LR). We both want some model of higher powered pistol (I want the Beretta 9000S Type D, a 9mm). Long arms: Er, donā€™t know. A 20 Gauge shotgun, and a .22 rifle. My husbandā€™s grandfather gave them to him, so I never paid much attention. ---
**Author:** ![Duke\_of\_Rat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Duke\_of\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duke_of_Rat)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2005, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sdmb-gun-picture-thread/333256/27 "2005-11-30T15:43:27Z")
> [@Cluricaun](#): > > Yeah, Savages are nifty pistols. Mine apparently came from my Great Grandfather, who may or may not have been running guns for the IRA all those many years ago, so it has a interesting story too. > However, itā€™s a collectorā€™s piece only. Oh, it shoots safely enough (had it checked by a gunsmith), but it has an approximately 300 pound trigger pull, and if I had to defend myself with it Iā€™d probably opt to just hit whatever it was with the gun. > > Do your Savage pistols have the hard rubber grips? If so, have you experienced any problems with getting them off without cracking? Some are pressed steel, some are the hard rubber. Iā€™ve never had the grips off, but I read [Here, Step 15](http://members.aol.com/savage1907/strip3.html) that they can be fragile. This [Site](http://members.aol.com/Savage1907/) has a lot of info about these little autos, you have to click on every link to turn up the whole story. I got all of these from my dad, he collects the small Colt automatics and got off into Savages as a whim. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2005, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sdmb-gun-picture-thread/333256/28 "2005-11-30T16:15:17Z")
> [@Cluricaun](#): > > What, no phased plasma rifle in the preferable 40 watt range? Just what you see, pal. šŸ˜ƒ **Mr. Krebbs** - My Hi Power is one of the Argentine copies, made under license by FM. I like my Enfields, even if I only shoot the Mark III. The #4 was a lucky score. I got it still wrapped in the armory wrappings, just oozing cosmoline. I have been accused (correctly) of a) not wanting any rifle that isnā€™t in correct military configuration, and b) wanting a sample from every country that ever issued a Mauser in any caliber. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2005, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sdmb-gun-picture-thread/333256/29 "2005-11-30T16:39:03Z")
I didnā€™t think I had any photos, but I remembered that a friend convinced me to take one. [This is rather less than half of my collection](http://pw1.netcom.com/~heliboy/guns/guns.jpg), but itā€™s the most ā€˜scaryā€™ (to certain people) of the lot. Top to bottom, left to right, they are (Note: One of them is fake, a movie prop.): Springfield Armory SAR-8 Walther PPK/S Beretta 92FS Colt 1991-A1 Bushmaster AR-15A2 Colt AR-15 (mfg. 1979) Essential Arms CAR-15 Armalite AR-180 Ruger Mini-14 Heckler & Koch MP-5 (Have you guessed which one is fake yet?) I have a collection of several Colt (some Colt, some Uberti) charcoal-burners. [Here are two](http://pw1.netcom.com/~heliboy/guns/walkernavy.jpg). Note the 1851 Navyā€™s trigger guard and backstrap are silver plated like the originals. This is an [original Colt 2nd Generation](http://pw1.netcom.com/~heliboy/guns/coltnavybg2.gif). Itā€™s ā€˜fadedā€™ because itā€™s the background image for [this page](http://pw1.netcom.com/~heliboy/guns/bploads.html). Iā€™d have to go and count the blackpowder guns, but a far as I can remember I have five 1851 Navies, a couple of 1849 Pocket Pistols, the Walker seen in the photo above, one or two 1862 Pocket Pistols, and an unfinished Pepperbox kit. Iā€™m pretty sure I have Colt duplicates (2nd and 3rd Generation) of the Ubertis except for the Walker. Iā€™ll shoot the Ubertis, but the Colts stay in their Presentation Cases. Other guns not pictured include a couple of M-1 Carbines, a pre-safety Winchester Model 94 Carbine, a 1932(?) Winchester Model 1894 Rifle (w/octagonal barrel), a 1967 Winchester Canadian Centennial Carbine (20" octagonal barrel) New-In-Box (and itā€™s for sale šŸ˜‰ ), a Winchester 1982 Rifle in .32-20 (24" octagonal barrel) made in 1897, a Gew. 98 made by Spandau in 1917 modified to WWII KAR-98 specs, a Yugoslavian KAR-98 New-In-Box, an SMLE, S&W Model 10 snubnose .38, Ruger Mk.II, Ruger .45LC Blackhawk, Ruger Single-Six (old three-screw model), Walther P-22, Raven .25 (firing pin removed, for use as a movie prop), Savage .22LR that belonged to my grandfather, Ruger 10-22 stainless w/22" barrel, Sears, Roebuck & Co. single-shot .22 rifle made by Marlin, and a Shiloh Sharps .45-70 #3 Sporting Rifle. I think thatā€™s it. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2005, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sdmb-gun-picture-thread/333256/30 "2005-11-30T16:46:33Z")
:smack: :smack: :smack: The first link is **not** a gun photo! [Here is the actual link](http://pw1.netcom.com/~heliboy/guns/guns.jpg). Will a moderator please repair the link? Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2005, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sdmb-gun-picture-thread/333256/31 "2005-11-30T17:50:46Z")
> [@SkipMagic](#): > > Last edited by SkipMagic : Today at 09:04 AM. Reason: Fixed link. Thanks, **Skip**. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Krebbs](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/5fc32e/32.png) [@Mr.Krebbs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Krebbs)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2005, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sdmb-gun-picture-thread/333256/32 "2005-11-30T18:29:40Z")
**Johnny** , thatā€™s an awesome SAR-8; I love the PSG-1 pistol grip. Have you ever handled a JLD PTR-91? If so, how does it compare to your Springfield? I used to own a PTR-91 myself, it was a fine rifle (I just hate the position of the charging handle on G3 clones), but I know your SAR-8 is worth a helluva lot more money. That is one old school AR-180. Very cool. Just because itā€™s hard to tell from your photo, is that a real (select fire) MP-5, an HK94 SBR (short barreled rifle) or a clone? How did the whole NFA procedure for getting an SBR work out for you? ---
**Author:** ![CynicalGabe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3e96dc/32.png) [@CynicalGabe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CynicalGabe)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2005, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sdmb-gun-picture-thread/333256/33 "2005-11-30T18:37:56Z")
Iā€™ve got to stop drinking and shopping online simultaneously. I just added [this](http://www.auctionarms.com/Closed/DisplayItem.cfm?ItemNum=7109652.0) to my collection. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2005, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sdmb-gun-picture-thread/333256/34 "2005-11-30T18:53:11Z")
> [@Mr. Krebbs](#): > > **Johnny** , thatā€™s an awesome SAR-8; I love the PSG-1 pistol grip. Have you ever handled a JLD PTR-91? If so, how does it compare to your Springfield? I used to own a PTR-91 myself, it was a fine rifle (I just hate the position of the charging handle on G3 clones), but I know your SAR-8 is worth a helluva lot more money. I used to have an HK-91. I sold it and bought an FN FAL (a real Belgian FN). I sold _that_ to get the money for my apartment when I moved to L.A. I figured I could always just get another one eventuallyā€¦ :smack: I bought the SAR-8 when Clinton signed the AWB. Iā€™d rather have had another HK-91, only they were banned in California. I was told that the SAR-8 barrel and bolt assembly was made by H&K in Germany, the stamped parts were made in Greece, and the assembly was done by Springfield Armory in the States. So it was as close as I could get. It was pre-owned, but never fired. It remained unfired until a few months ago when we decided to use it in our film. Itā€™s had maybe 50 rounds put through it, so itā€™s virtually new. I have lots of accessories for it: the wooden thumbhole stock, a fore-end like the one pictured only without the bipod mount, a ā€˜slimlineā€™ fore-end, peobably half a dozen magazines, an H&K sight adjustment tool, the regular HK-91 pistol grip, original manual, G-3 manual, _Full Auto_ manual (for informational purposes only, of course. No wink-smilie), and the original box. Iā€™ve been thinking of selling it, but my partner says we need it for the film and that itā€™s too cool to sell. But Iā€™m still thinking of selling it after the film. Or maybe the next one. As far as how it compares to the other clones, I have no idea. Itā€™s exactly the same as an HK-91 except for the stampings. I rarely shoot (my collection is for historical and mechanical interests) and I havenā€™t shot any of the other clones. > [@Mr. Krebbs](#): > > That is one old school AR-180. Very cool. Thanks. Itā€™s the ugliest firearm Iā€™ve found. So naturally I had to have an example. šŸ˜‰ The first time I took it out my friend said, ā€˜That gun likes you.ā€™ Very accurate. I wish I had some 20rd. magazines for it. But theyā€™re rare (Armalite doesnā€™t have them, since they redesigned their new AR-180 to use AR-15 magazines) and very expensive. > [@Mr. Krebbs](#): > > Just because itā€™s hard to tell from your photo, is that a real (select fire) MP-5, an HK94 SBR (short barreled rifle) or a clone? How did the whole NFA procedure for getting an SBR work out for you? Thatā€™s the fake. Itā€™s actually an airsoft replica. šŸ˜ƒ The only thing I donā€™t like about it is that the ejection port is part of the stamping and does not function. We can add muzzle blast and ejecting cases digitally, but weā€™ll have to be careful not to show the non-opening ejection port. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Krebbs](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/5fc32e/32.png) [@Mr.Krebbs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Krebbs)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2005, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sdmb-gun-picture-thread/333256/35 "2005-11-30T18:55:10Z")
> [@CynicalGabe](#): > > Iā€™ve got to stop drinking and shopping online simultaneously. > > I just added [this](http://www.auctionarms.com/Closed/DisplayItem.cfm?ItemNum=7109652.0) to my collection. Gun threads are great arenā€™t they? šŸ˜‰ Iā€™m sure youā€™ll love that Kalashnikov once you put a receiver on it. AKs are great fun, even if the ergonomics and accuracy arenā€™t all that wonderful. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2005, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sdmb-gun-picture-thread/333256/36 "2005-11-30T18:56:08Z")
> [@CynicalGabe](#): > > Iā€™ve got to stop drinking and shopping online simultaneously. > > I just added [this](http://www.auctionarms.com/Closed/DisplayItem.cfm?ItemNum=7109652.0) to my collection. Nice. I used to have a Maadi AKM. IIRC it was the first brand brought into the U.S., and IMO the best. I sold it, unfired, for a blue Walther PPK/S, a G.I. surgery kit, and some cash. Do you have a receiver? ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2005, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sdmb-gun-picture-thread/333256/37 "2005-11-30T19:03:08Z")
Thereā€™s another photo of the SAR-8 online. Since I want to keep my online life _somewhat_ separate from my Real Life, and since weā€™re working with another company for generating pre-release buzz, I wonā€™t post a link here. But if you go to shutterdogmedia dot com and click on the ā€˜Agonyā€™ link, then go to ā€˜Stills Set 04ā€™ thereā€™s a photo of the director instructing the actor (who is Irish or Scottish and had never fired a gun before) how to use it. My hand is on the camera. My browser opens a smaller window and resizes the images; but if you maximise your screen the photo is pretty good. ---
**Author:** ![CynicalGabe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3e96dc/32.png) [@CynicalGabe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CynicalGabe)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2005, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sdmb-gun-picture-thread/333256/38 "2005-11-30T19:14:29Z")
> [@Johnny L.A.](#): > > Do you have a receiver? > [@Mr. Krebbs](#): > > Iā€™m sure youā€™ll love that Kalashnikov once you put a receiver on it. I live in California. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2005, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sdmb-gun-picture-thread/333256/39 "2005-11-30T19:32:41Z")
> [@CynicalGabe](#): > > I live in California. :rolleyes: Inconvenient. I bought the SAR-8 quite legally in California. Nobody told me they banned it later. Never heard anything on the news. Fortunately I was heading up to Washington a couple of months after I finally found out. Took it to my ex-fiancĆ©eā€™s place so she could keep it for me. When she moved to Tennessee I moved it to another friendā€™s place until I moved up here. Let me tell you, I breathed a sigh of relief when I crossed the border into Oregon with it on that first trip. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Krebbs](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/5fc32e/32.png) [@Mr.Krebbs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Krebbs)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2005, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sdmb-gun-picture-thread/333256/40 "2005-11-30T20:45:09Z")
Is it actually a felony to own a so-called ā€œassault weaponā€ in California? Of course, I know itā€™s not legal, but I always kind of assumed theyā€™d just confiscate the firearm at worst. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sdmb-gun-picture-thread/333256.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sdmb-gun-picture-thread/333256.md?page=3)