# The SDMB "He Hate Me, He Hate Me Not" Football League **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [July 21, 2003, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sdmb-he-hate-me-he-hate-me-not-football-league/189924 "2003-07-21T14:50:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![Weirddave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@Weirddave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weirddave)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2003, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sdmb-he-hate-me-he-hate-me-not-football-league/189924/261 "2003-09-03T18:50:07Z")
hee, hee. It’ll be sweet if Ravens Rule wins the Steeler league. ---
**Author:** ![mouthbreather](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a698b9/32.png) [@mouthbreather](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mouthbreather)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2003, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sdmb-he-hate-me-he-hate-me-not-football-league/189924/262 "2003-09-03T19:00:06Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by NurseCarmen \* > \*\*Hey **MB** , a guy’s gotta try, doesn’t he? I’m tempted, but a decent running back is weighted just slightly more than a decent WR. Man, that was a tough one to pass, being a homer and all. \*\* Why do you think I offered him to you in the first place? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![The\_Mad\_Hermit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b5ac83/32.png) [@The\_Mad\_Hermit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Mad_Hermit)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2003, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sdmb-he-hate-me-he-hate-me-not-football-league/189924/263 "2003-09-03T19:05:03Z")
It must take some time for the rosters to appear; I submitted the draft a while ago. How long does it take for them to apply the draft as I entered it using their Java applet. I’m not anti-smack talk, I just took the comment the wrong way. The lost player was just someone who signed up at the last minute from Yahoo. He didn’t get back to me in time, so **Dave** has the team. It’s not as bad as it seems- three of the other players are my family (wife and two sons, 20 and 15 yrs. old) and two more are friends. Half of us are serious Steeler fans. No one will abuse you from this bunch. The last guy is a cow-orker from my wife’s job; I don’t know him personally, but he drafted heavily from KC (he’s originally from MO.) ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2003, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sdmb-he-hate-me-he-hate-me-not-football-league/189924/264 "2003-09-03T19:09:13Z")
Steelerphan, there’s two steps you need to take when entering the rosters. Go back into the Commissioner’s Tools - there should be “Begin Season” button that’ll fire 'em all in there. Make sure all your other variables are set, i.e. starting roster positions, draft order (which affects WW priority), etc. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Mad\_Hermit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b5ac83/32.png) [@The\_Mad\_Hermit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Mad_Hermit)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2003, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sdmb-he-hate-me-he-hate-me-not-football-league/189924/265 "2003-09-03T19:14:10Z")
Thanks, **Munch.** It’s all ready, **Dave.** Your first opponent just got home from school, and he’s playing Starcraft now. He has no smack talk for you now… ---
**Author:** ![Weirddave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@Weirddave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weirddave)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2003, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sdmb-he-hate-me-he-hate-me-not-football-league/189924/266 "2003-09-03T20:56:56Z")
Hey WL, completely off topic, but could you help me out over [here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=208851)? ---
**Author:** ![White\_Lightning](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@White\_Lightning](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/White_Lightning)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2003, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sdmb-he-hate-me-he-hate-me-not-football-league/189924/267 "2003-09-03T21:30:19Z")
Funny you ask **Dave** , I had a look at that this morning, first Dip thread I’ve opened in weeks… I really considered it until I had a look and saw how hopeless the position is. 😉 But yeah, if you’re hard up for a player I can spare the time for a mercy position. I think. How long are turn deadlines? I wouldn’t be able to get any orders in until Thursday at the earliest. ---
**Author:** ![ShibbOleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/848f3c/32.png) [@ShibbOleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShibbOleth)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2003, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sdmb-he-hate-me-he-hate-me-not-football-league/189924/268 "2003-09-04T01:33:54Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by White Lightning \* > \*\* > **Shibb** , I mostly agree with **El Muncho** on your team (too bad about Tiki, especially with the custom rules about long-distance TDs, of which C-Mart will score 0 this season). Mcnair will be super, your only flaw is at RB depth, but (and this is where I disagree with **der Munchenheimer** ) depending on how well you’re rewarded for long TDs, your WRs are _built_. Stallworth and Price are both fast, downfield guys, and Moulds will score a lot himself. Depending on matchups I wouldn’t be surprised to see you start all three of them along with Portis on a given week. \*\* Here’s how the scoring in that league works (I’ve finally figured it out after three years): For RBs and QBs TD Runs: 1-4 yards = 3 points 5-9 yards = 4 points 10-14 yards = 5 points 15-19 yards = 6 points 20+ yards = 7 points TD Receptions: 1-9 yards = 3 points 10-19 yards = 4 points 20-29 yards = 5 points 30-39 yards = 6 points 40+ yards = 7 points For Wide Receivers TD Runs: 1-4 yards = 3 points 5-9 yards = 4 points 10-14 yards = 5 points 15-19 yards = 6 points 20+ yards = 7 points TD Receptions: 1-9 yards = 4 points 10-19 yards = 5 points 20-29 yards = 6 points 30+ yards = 7 points For Everyone TD Passes: From To Value 1-9 yards = 2 10-19 yards = 3 20-29 yards = 4 30-39 yards = 5 40-49 yards = 6 50-99 yards = 7 The rushing aspect helps to explain a couple of things, like why there is a premium on mobile QBs (McNabb, Culpepper, Vick, Garcia and McNair) Yardage is not strongly rewarded. Rushing/receiving yards receive 1 point at 50 yards and an extra point for every 25 yards after that. For passing yards, QBs get: Less than 149 yards = -2 From 150-249 yards = 0 From 250-299 yards = 2 From 300-349 yards = 3 From 350-399 yards = 4 From 400-449 yards = 5 and so on, with an extra point for every 50 yards. Points are subtracted (-1) for turnovers, (-2) for interceptions thrown for touchdowns. The starting lineups are in for next week, and everyone so far is starting two RBs and two Receivers (including tight ends). i think we might well do better with three WRs in our lineup. ---
**Author:** ![Weirddave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@Weirddave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weirddave)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2003, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sdmb-he-hate-me-he-hate-me-not-football-league/189924/269 "2003-09-04T02:19:39Z")
I would apreciate it, WL. Orders would be due next Monday. You in? ---
**Author:** ![White\_Lightning](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@White\_Lightning](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/White_Lightning)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2003, 10:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sdmb-he-hate-me-he-hate-me-not-football-league/189924/270 "2003-09-04T10:06:01Z")
I’m sorry **Dave** , I can’t make any guarantees right now. Let me see how things look Thursday evening and get back to you. I just don’t want to jump in and then not have the time to devote to it that the game deserves. **Shibb** , that’s a very unique system. I bet it makes things pretty interesting. It doesn’t favor WRs quite as much as I initially thought… but it certainly does favor Barber over Martin by quite a bit. Sorry to harp on that 😉 ---
**Author:** ![mouthbreather](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a698b9/32.png) [@mouthbreather](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mouthbreather)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2003, 11:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sdmb-he-hate-me-he-hate-me-not-football-league/189924/271 "2003-09-04T11:28:16Z")
When do our lineups need to be set? I have a pending trade that should clear tomorrow afternoon. Hopefully we can adjust lineups for the Sunday games until Sunday noon-ish. Anyone know? ---
**Author:** ![ShibbOleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/848f3c/32.png) [@ShibbOleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShibbOleth)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2003, 12:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sdmb-he-hate-me-he-hate-me-not-football-league/189924/272 "2003-09-04T12:01:04Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by White Lightning \* > \*\* > **Shibb** , that’s a very unique system. I bet it makes things pretty interesting. It doesn’t favor WRs quite as much as I initially thought… but it certainly does favor Barber over Martin by quite a bit. Sorry to harp on that 😉 \*\* It actually make for very low scoring. We ended up over .500 last season, and I doubt that we averaged more than 20 points per week, and our high was probably 38. Did I mention that field goals are only 2 points up to 40 yards, then 3 for 40-54, 4 for longer than 54 (which is just about never), negative for misses and blocks? Aside: you should join the Dip game, there are some possibilities. ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2003, 1:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sdmb-he-hate-me-he-hate-me-not-football-league/189924/273 "2003-09-04T13:36:24Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by mouthbreather \* > \*\*When do our lineups need to be set? I have a pending trade that should clear tomorrow afternoon. Hopefully we can adjust lineups for the Sunday games until Sunday noon-ish. > > Anyone know? \*\* You can adjust your lineup until gametime. If you have Ramsey starting tonight, he’ll lock in place (same goes for if he’s on the bench). If you have an open RB slot you’re deciding on between Pittman and Buckhalter on Monday night, you’ll have until gametime to decide. Also, I’ll push through all of the current pending trades tomorrow afternoon, so you can have your lineup set by then. All trades/waiver requests/etc. are processed by Yahoo midnight PDT. ---
**Author:** ![White\_Lightning](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@White\_Lightning](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/White_Lightning)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2003, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sdmb-he-hate-me-he-hate-me-not-football-league/189924/274 "2003-09-04T15:56:51Z")
I just realized that the opening is in 1099. I think I have to take the position if for that reason only. Go ahead and make the announcement, **Dave** – hopefully people will send _me_ some letters so I don’t have to do as much work tonight during commercials. 😉 Just don’t take it out on me as the GM **Dave** after your loss here (sorry, had to find a way to work that in there _one more time_… and get back on topic). Oh man, I hope the game ends (or I get eliminated) before Week 14 when I have to beat you again! (loved your post re: Cleveland this morning in that rivals thread btw) Hey, **Omni** , I have a couple questions for you. How do you feel about Zeroue and Buckhalter (you must like Corell a lot, if you’re starting him against TB) as your 2nd and 3rd backs? How do you feel about Byron Chamberlain being suspended for the first 4 games? How do you feel about QM’s and Chambers’ chances to be every-week starters for you at WR? How do you feel about trading me Ricky Williams? ---
**Author:** ![NurseCarmen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5daacb/32.png) [@NurseCarmen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NurseCarmen)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2003, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sdmb-he-hate-me-he-hate-me-not-football-league/189924/275 "2003-09-04T16:10:09Z")
I think he should give me Ricky Williams. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Mad\_Hermit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b5ac83/32.png) [@The\_Mad\_Hermit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Mad_Hermit)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2003, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sdmb-he-hate-me-he-hate-me-not-football-league/189924/276 "2003-09-04T17:40:52Z")
I think he should give **me** Ricky Williams. Or, somebody else could make me an offer for a running back… …anybody? ---
**Author:** ![mouthbreather](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a698b9/32.png) [@mouthbreather](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mouthbreather)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2003, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sdmb-he-hate-me-he-hate-me-not-football-league/189924/277 "2003-09-04T20:16:52Z")
If anyone is interested, Randy Moss is available for a top 18 (ish)RB. (Most of them, anyway…don’t want any old gimps) ---
**Author:** ![Weirddave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@Weirddave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weirddave)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2003, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sdmb-he-hate-me-he-hate-me-not-football-league/189924/278 "2003-09-04T22:21:30Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by mouthbreather \* > \*\*If anyone is interested, Randy Moss is available for a top 18 (ish)RB. (Most of them, anyway…don’t want any old gimps) \*\* Moe Williams? Also, Steelerphan, you said that half of that league is your family. If Atrain Psychos is one of them, get him to reply to my trade offer, wouldja? ---
**Author:** ![White\_Lightning](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@White\_Lightning](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/White_Lightning)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2003, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sdmb-he-hate-me-he-hate-me-not-football-league/189924/279 "2003-09-04T23:07:28Z")
Are you sure, **mb**? You’re already starting Moss, Taylor, and Muhammed at WR… with Reggie Wayne at flex this week? With only Shaw and Gilmore in reserve, unless you plan to hang onto Taylor Jacobs. I assume you have some pickups in mind, but trading away Moss leaves you with Wayne as your #3 starter? Holmes and Green are a sick pair of stud RBs, but I’d say you can ill afford to trade away much more from your WRs… But you can have Trung for him if you’d like. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![mouthbreather](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a698b9/32.png) [@mouthbreather](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mouthbreather)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2003, 11:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sdmb-he-hate-me-he-hate-me-not-football-league/189924/280 "2003-09-05T11:07:24Z")
I’m quite sure, thanks for your concern. And I’m assuming that both of you are kidding with those offers. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sdmb-he-hate-me-he-hate-me-not-football-league/189924.md?page=13) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sdmb-he-hate-me-he-hate-me-not-football-league/189924.md?page=15)