# The SDMB NCAA thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Tags:** basketball-nba\ **Created:** [September 14, 2016, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sdmb-ncaa-thread/765958 "2016-09-14T19:39:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2021, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sdmb-ncaa-thread/765958/222 "2021-06-21T18:11:22Z")
AP article here: > **[Supreme Court win for college athletes in compensation case](https://apnews.com/article/ncaa-supreme-court-alston-college-athlete-benefits-5be12caeaf014da7d71baf0bb60646fe)** > > WASHINGTON (AP) — The Supreme Court ruled unanimously Monday the NCAA can’t limit education-related benefits — like computers and paid internships — that colleges can offer their sports stars, a victory for athletes that could help open the door to... ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Wiggler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/red_wiggler/32/13190_2.png) [@Red\_Wiggler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Wiggler)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2021, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sdmb-ncaa-thread/765958/223 "2021-06-21T18:14:14Z")
The schools’ Last Stand will be an attempt to police NIL incomes. Is the deal a fair market reflection or does it cross the line into inducement? This effort will also fail. It’s something simply impossible to evaluate. When the smoke from the last battleground clears, school supporters and marketers will run unfettered through the player ranks and there will be nothing that schools can do to stop them. ---
**Author:** ![That\_Don\_Guy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/that_don_guy/32/538_2.png) [@That\_Don\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/That_Don_Guy)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2021, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sdmb-ncaa-thread/765958/224 "2021-06-28T23:51:05Z")
Looks like the NCAA blinked - the Division I Board of Directors, at the recommendation of the Division I Council, is [expected to vote Wednesday](https://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/media-center/news/di-council-recommends-di-board-adopt-name-image-and-likeness-policy) to allow all athletes to accept Name/Image/Likeness payments, even in states without NIL laws, and have “professional services providers” (i.e. agents) for NIL purposes. There are some unspecified restrictions against “pay-for-play” and inducements to have an athlete attend a particular school, and also schools and conferences can set restrictions of their own. ---
**Author:** ![Zakalwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zakalwe/32/270_2.png) [@Zakalwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zakalwe)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2021, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sdmb-ncaa-thread/765958/225 "2021-06-29T03:38:39Z")
> [@That\_Don\_Guy](#): > > Looks like the NCAA blinked - the Division I Board of Directors, at the recommendation of the Division I Council, is [expected to vote Wednesday](https://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/media-center/news/di-council-recommends-di-board-adopt-name-image-and-likeness-policy) to allow all athletes to accept Name/Image/Likeness payments, even in states without NIL laws, and have “professional services providers” (i.e. agents) for NIL purposes. This was as predictable as the sun rising in the east. See my post above, once the states with large numbers of D1 schools (and in big media markets) passed NIL, the writing was on the wall. The NCAA’s last ditch pitch to Congress failed and the courts were handing down unfavorable decisions all over the place. A class all the way, the NCAA. Decent people don’t wait until a gun is held to their head to make the right call. ---
**Author:** ![That\_Don\_Guy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/that_don_guy/32/538_2.png) [@That\_Don\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/That_Don_Guy)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2021, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sdmb-ncaa-thread/765958/226 "2021-06-30T21:55:15Z")
> [@Red\_Wiggler](#): > > The schools’ Last Stand will be an attempt to police NIL incomes. Is the deal a fair market reflection or does it cross the line into inducement? > > This effort will also fail. It’s something simply impossible to evaluate. When the smoke from the last battleground clears, school supporters and marketers will run unfettered through the player ranks and there will be nothing that schools can do to stop them. It’s quite easy to evaluate. It’s not about “fair market value.” It is an inducement if the deal is conditional upon the athlete in question attending a particular school and was made before the athlete enrolled (or signed a National Letter of Intent). I can see, say, Titleist offering a deal to a golfer regardless of where they attend, and in a case like that, I don’t think the NCAA would care about the amount. Maybe the NCAA will raise an eyebrow if a basketball player’s fee covers his tuition, with the idea of freeing up a scholarship for that school, but even that is pushing it. Also, like I said earlier, the NCAA’s “last stand” will be to make sure that any NIL deals have a clean separation between the dealmakers and the school. “Why, yes, the school did fly the booster and his family to the bowl game - but the fact that they license the star QB for $500,000 a year is merely a coincidence!” won’t cut it. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2021, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sdmb-ncaa-thread/765958/227 "2021-06-30T22:34:32Z")
Walls… crumbling… 😃 > **[NCAA clears way for athlete compensation as state laws loom](https://apnews.com/article/laws-sports-6fb10bea4176ac6a912138ce7f0a764e)** > > DALLAS (AP) — The NCAA Board of Directors approved one of the biggest changes in the history of college athletics Wednesday, clearing the way for nearly a half-million athletes to start earning money based on their fame and celebrity without fear of... ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Wiggler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/red_wiggler/32/13190_2.png) [@Red\_Wiggler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Wiggler)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2021, 1:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sdmb-ncaa-thread/765958/228 "2021-07-01T13:06:20Z")
This is a good day. Next – let’s work on turning the boosters loose. Inducements to attend and stay are not against the law. ---
**Author:** ![ekedolphin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ekedolphin/32/10003_2.png) [@ekedolphin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ekedolphin)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2021, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sdmb-ncaa-thread/765958/229 "2021-07-01T23:46:20Z")
[Let’s make a deal: NCAA athletes cashing in on name, image and likeness (espn.com)](https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/31738893/ncaa-athletes-cashing-name-image-likeness) The article says that a Georgia Tech basketball player knows how to play the clarinet, saxophone and piano, so he’s planning to offer music lessons. It is _ludicrous_ that the NCAA didn’t allow this before. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2021, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sdmb-ncaa-thread/765958/230 "2021-07-02T00:09:56Z")
Perhaps you don’t remember (or know about) [the words of Shabazz Napier, from 2014](https://www.cnn.com/2014/04/07/us/ncaa-basketball-finals-shabazz-napier-hungry/index.html): > [@](#): > > Napier recently[called the Northwestern union ruling](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFdRk2DYolM) “kind of great” and said that although he appreciates his basketball scholarship, it doesn’t cover all of his expenses. > > “I don’t feel student-athletes should get hundreds of thousands of dollars, but like I said, there are hungry nights that I go to bed and I’m starving,” he said. > > Asked whether he felt like an employee – a key distinction cited in the labor board’s Northwestern ruling – the Huskies point guard responded, “I just feel like a student-athlete, and sometimes, like I said, there’s hungry nights and I’m not able to eat and I still got to play up to my capabilities. … When you see your jersey getting sold – it may not have your last name on it – but when you see your jersey getting sold and things like that, you feel like you want something in return.” He was literally unable to afford _food_ and forbidden from accepting any from anyone, because “amateurism”, while his school and its sponsors made millions and millions and millions of dollars off his labor. ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2021, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sdmb-ncaa-thread/765958/231 "2021-07-02T15:48:16Z")
I’m hearing talk about Reggie Bush getting his doorstop and stats back. Woot Woot! I only caught a little bit of yakky-yak, and the opinion seems pretty split with it leaning to ‘Ain’t gonna happen, but they should issue a statement’. That seems kind of pointless. Hell with it! He earned it on the field. He’ll always be the winner in my mind. And I still count 'SCs Championship, too. ---
**Author:** ![That\_Don\_Guy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/that_don_guy/32/538_2.png) [@That\_Don\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/That_Don_Guy)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2021, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sdmb-ncaa-thread/765958/232 "2021-07-02T23:36:36Z")
> [@ekedolphin](#): > > The article says that a Georgia Tech basketball player knows how to play the clarinet, saxophone and piano, so he’s planning to offer music lessons. > > It is _ludicrous_ that the NCAA didn’t allow this before. That doesn’t sound right…let me look that one up: “A student-athlete may establish his or her own business, provided the student-athlete’s name, photograph, appearance or athletics reputation are not used to promote the business.” (NCAA Division I Bylaw 12.4.4) I can see it now: “Music Lessons - I can’t tell you who I am, or what I do, or show you what I look like…” > [@Gatopescado](#): > > I’m hearing talk about Reggie Bush getting his doorstop and stats back. Woot Woot! > > I only caught a little bit of yakky-yak, and the opinion seems pretty split with it leaning to ‘Ain’t gonna happen, but they should issue a statement’. That seems kind of pointless. > > Hell with it! He earned it on the field. He’ll always be the winner in my mind. And I still count 'SCs Championship, too. Bush’s case is different. He became ineligible when he agreed to be represented by an agent. This is still in violation of the NCAA bylaws. An athlete can sign an agent only to represent his NIL interests - not to negotiate a future NFL/NBA contract. Yes, that’s different. ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2021, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sdmb-ncaa-thread/765958/233 "2021-07-03T02:44:52Z")
> [@That\_Don\_Guy](#): > > He became ineligible when he agreed to be represented by an agent. Huh. I admit I should know more about this than I do, but I thought Bush’s problem was that his family was getting free rent and cash on the side for ‘expenses’. I don’t give a shit either way. He pushed Matt into the endzone to beat Notre Dame (among other feats of Magic over the years). He earned that fucking ugly statue. ---
**Author:** ![FlikTheBlue](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fliktheblue/32/10972_2.png) [@FlikTheBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FlikTheBlue)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2021, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sdmb-ncaa-thread/765958/234 "2021-07-03T19:10:01Z")
> [@Gatopescado](#): > > I’m hearing talk about Reggie Bush getting his doorstop and stats back. Woot Woot! The articles I’ve read aren’t completely clear on this matter. Did he have his Heisman physically confiscated? Was it just never issued? Does he still have the actual trophy, with this being more a matter of what the record books say? ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2021, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sdmb-ncaa-thread/765958/235 "2021-07-03T19:19:36Z")
He gave it back. Sitting in a basement in New York I imagine. There is not one on display in Heritage Hall on the campus. ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Wiggler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/red_wiggler/32/13190_2.png) [@Red\_Wiggler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Wiggler)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2021, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sdmb-ncaa-thread/765958/236 "2021-07-03T21:28:53Z")
Some of the opinion leaders on this issue are already moving on to advocating for athletes to organize and negotiate collectively. If you’re a traditionalist who just suffered a major setback, this must be exasperating. “They never stop asking for more!” ---
**Author:** ![That\_Don\_Guy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/that_don_guy/32/538_2.png) [@That\_Don\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/That_Don_Guy)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2021, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sdmb-ncaa-thread/765958/237 "2021-07-05T22:06:35Z")
Apparently, the leader so far in the endorsement race is Hercy Miller, an incoming freshman basketball player for Tennessee State, who signed a four-year $2 million deal with Web Apps America. Say…you don’t think that any of this has to do with the fact that his father is rapper Master P, do you? ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Wiggler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/red_wiggler/32/13190_2.png) [@Red\_Wiggler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Wiggler)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2021, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sdmb-ncaa-thread/765958/238 "2021-07-05T22:26:16Z")
Some of these young people are reportedly in line for seven figure earnings by becoming an influencer on social media. Now being an old guy I really don’t understand exactly how that works. But it seems to me that it is tapping into an entirely different revenue stream than the traditional ones supporting school’s athletic programs. ---
**Author:** ![That\_Don\_Guy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/that_don_guy/32/538_2.png) [@That\_Don\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/That_Don_Guy)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2021, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sdmb-ncaa-thread/765958/239 "2021-07-05T23:04:02Z")
A “social media influencer” is the modern-day equivalent of a “celebrity spokesperson,” only the “celebrity” is someone with a significant Twitter/Facebook/Whatever following for whatever reason. Some “influencers” are notorious for demanding free stuff from businesses in exchange for an online mention - the online equivalent of “being paid in exposure” (“I can’t give you any money for your product/service, but look at all of the exposure you will get!”). ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2021, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sdmb-ncaa-thread/765958/240 "2021-07-05T23:36:59Z")
This was just posted on the AP: University of South Dakota volleyballer Brooklyn Bollweg is the first college athlete in the state to sign a sponsorship deal. > **[USD volleyballer first to to sign sponsorship deal](https://apnews.com/article/sd-state-wire-volleyball-sports-39249341fe4eb4ca6651ec6f93f8acae)** > > SIOUX FALLS, S.D. (AP) — A University of South Dakota volleyball player has become the first college athlete in the state to sign a sponsorship deal after the NCAA cleared the way for college athletes to make money off their names and likenesses. ---
**Author:** ![That\_Don\_Guy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/that_don_guy/32/538_2.png) [@That\_Don\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/That_Don_Guy)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2021, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sdmb-ncaa-thread/765958/241 "2021-07-06T16:55:00Z")
Meanwhile, Florida State QB McKenzie Milton and Miami quarterback D’Eriq King have [gone into business for themselves…representing other college athletes’ NIL interests.](https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/31742166/florida-state-mckenzie-milton-miami-deriq-king-join-nil-platform-dreamfield) Up until now, an athlete could not go into business for themselves if they used their “name, photograph, appearance, or athletics reputation” to promote it. Okay, it has only been six days, but I am a little surprised that there haven’t been reports of big-name schools’ athletes getting licensing deals from local boosters. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sdmb-ncaa-thread/765958.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sdmb-ncaa-thread/765958.md?page=13)