The SDMB needs to have a a band words list. Words like amplifier. riser, pedal steel, microphone, monitor, etc.
Be the change you want to see in the world.
How about a “banned concept” list? In the SAG strike thread, a video was posted of a stuntman in protective clothing setiing the protective clothing on fire for a few seconds before putting it out as “protest”. I said “Thích Quảng Đức did it better.”, And that was deemed “deeply offensive” and something that I “shouldn’t do again”. So it would help to have a list of analogies, metaphors, and comparisons you aren’t allowed to make so that you don’t arbitrarily find out about them after the fact.
Yeah, 'cause it’s really hard not to read “did it better” as the protester should have actually immolated themself.
I am not a Mod but I am happy to help. The overriding rule is Don’t Be a Jerk. There is no way we should have any specific rules about making disgusting comparisons.
Did you read the part that says “DM me to discuss?”
~Max
This is an okay place for it. I mostly wanted to forestall more discussion about it in that thread.
How about a list in your head about bad name calling and words? Or treating people like jerks and labeling individuals?
We all know them.
Memes will come and go. No biggie. Don’t participate.
I kinda learned that before kindergarten.
It seems like we have been having moderation lately regarding topics, words, imagery, etc.that one moderator may find to be offensive to them personally. What happens when there is one moderator that may be overly sensitive in comparison to the rest of the world? Does that now become the standard for offensiveness at the SDMB? Should it be?
What’s that old supreme court ruling regarding pornography. I can’t define it, but I know it when I see it. Is that where we are? Have we always been there?
But is that in general? To the world? Or just to each other? I’ve always taken that to mean towards each other, the moderators, etc. But that off-board individuals were open season.
Are we changing that? Are we all expected to by good boys and girls not matter the topic, or object of the post? If so, moderation around here will need to step up mightily, unless theres an exception list.
Can you provide examples where one moderator had views on something’s offensiveness that wasn’t shared by others in the community? Because otherwise, so what? I think the moderators’ views should reflect the community’s. It would be pretty weird to have moderators who were never personally offended by anything, yet still expected to rule on what is offensive.
I haven’t noticed a change in that approach from the moderators. And if you don’t think that jokes about suicide in that SAG thread are jerkish to other posters, then this is a learning opportunity.
I don’t know what you’re referring to. The opposite happened a while back where Miller didn’t find “cracker” particularly offensive or a slur or otherwise hate speech, and therefore didn’t issue a mod note. (He later changed his mind.)
That episode in part lead to this:
~Max
If a moderator had some weird quirk, like deciding the word “hat” was racist against people of Jewish descent, that would be pretty awful and would probably lead to some heated ATMB discussions.
Fortunately, this isn’t happening. Your premise is wrong.
If you do see this kind of thing, it should definitely be brought up on ATMB. I do remember instances in the recent past where a moderator was making bizarre decisions but that was heavily discussed, and they aren’t a moderator anymore so it eventually became moot.
And of course, moderators are human and make mistakes, and that’s another reason for ATMB.
This whole thread is about one such example. Some posters found it inconceivable that it was not known a word had racist baggage. Other posters agreed that they had no idea either. The word was not used in a racist manner but its use in a thread about MLK Jr. was too much proximity.
Read upthread, numerous posters showed no recognition of the term uppity as being racist.
As I read it Darren_Garrison’s comment in his particular example wasn’t toward another poster or member of this community. I took it as a sarcastic commentary against the stunt man. Along the lines of the pig being committed to breakfast, whereas the chicken not so much. He wasn’t making fun of the individual that committed self immolation. And no, not being jerkish to other posters. It should be a learning opportunity to many people.
It’s not surprising that we’ve had so many threads regarding heavy handed modding lately, and why people are seeking clarification on what can and can’t be said. The simple of rule of “don’t be a jerk” is even under opinion as to what standard of commentary is allowed. Even if what you say isn’t directed to an individual on this board, if it has the slightest hint of being offensive to someone else then it’s not allowed.
That’s an example of different opinions within the community, not “one moderator that may be overly sensitive in comparison to the rest of the world.”
And I’m still baffled that people had no knowledge of the baggage behind “uppity”, but no need to continue rehashing that.
Something doesn’t have to be against another poster for people to find it offensive.
This is obvious hyperbole and doesn’t really help the conversation.
Who get’s to determine if something is offensive? One mod, all of the mods together? It’s subjective for sure, there is no bright line. It’s like nude art and pornography.
How do you distinguish between a photographt exhibit by Jeff Koons with his ex-wife Ilona Staller in the MOMA and a spread by the Bang Brothers? I’ll say you cannot.
puzzlegal issued a note, not a warning. I was one of the posters that had never recognized ‘uppity’ as racist. If I was noted for it, it would be a learning experience, as it evidently has been for the OP of this thread.
I fully support moderators acting as tone police, especially in cases like this where one person doesn’t intend to be hurtful, but it has that effect for many readers.
~Max
I’ll refute this. You have no idea how many flags we reject due to over-sensitivity to terms/behavior. It’s far more than you think.
I guess that’s good to know.