# The SDMB World Poker Tour on Pokertropolis......Rude and Grim when you go All-In **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [June 1, 2005, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sdmb-world-poker-tour-on-pokertropolis-rude-and-grim-when-you-go-all-in/306295 "2005-06-01T00:29:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 18
**Author:** ![Aholibah](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e0b2c6/32.png) [@Aholibah](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aholibah)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2005, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sdmb-world-poker-tour-on-pokertropolis-rude-and-grim-when-you-go-all-in/306295/341 "2005-08-03T17:27:27Z")
**Dag Otto** , I think your criticism of the payout structure is well-founded. The only thing I would say in favor of the large percentage payoff for the first round is that this way, everybody who makes it to the second round has gotten their buy-in back, which, from this player’s viewpoint, is a nice thing. But overall, I wouldn’t mind if they changed the percentages so that only 1st place finishers of round one made the buy-in back and pushed some of the resulting money out of round 1 and into rounds 2, 3 and 4. I knew going into the shootouts that the payoff for making the money at the final table was going to be _much_ less than it would be for a regular MTT with the same number of entries. However, I’ve played a lot of SNGs and small MTTs and am more confident in my play in those situations than I am in massive MTTs, where the best I have ever finished is somewhere in the 20s. Would I rather have won $1700 (the 21% that first would pay in a $5 MTT with 1670 entries) instead of $370? You betcha! But I consider a first place finish (even a top 5 finish) in such a tourney to be a tremendous long-shot for me, whereas I always thought that I could make the final 5 at a shootout. **Capn** , I didn’t see more reckless play in the first rounds than I would consider normal for a single-table SNG. Not like in rebuy and add-on tournaments, where many players just seem to go completely nuts during the rebuy period. The tournament took almost exactly 5 hours, which I don’t think is considerably shorter than a regular MTT with 1670 players would take. ---
**Author:** ![CapnPitt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/edb3f5/32.png) [@CapnPitt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CapnPitt)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2005, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sdmb-world-poker-tour-on-pokertropolis-rude-and-grim-when-you-go-all-in/306295/342 "2005-08-03T17:44:09Z")
I agree. It doesn’t seem shorter to my untrained eye. But one of the big advantages I saw listed on the PP page was shorter tournaments. So I was just curious. Interesting that the play isn’t reckless. It would appear that all my surmises of the day are incorrect. Not that this makes today much different than any other day, but still… Finally, all I have to say is: **Aholibah** you rule! ---
**Author:** ![Aholibah](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e0b2c6/32.png) [@Aholibah](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aholibah)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2005, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sdmb-world-poker-tour-on-pokertropolis-rude-and-grim-when-you-go-all-in/306295/343 "2005-08-03T19:25:28Z")
I don’t think reckless play is likely pay off in a shootout, the more I think about it. I finished each round except for one with a very close to average stack. (The one exception was the fourth round, which I entered with a pretty comfortable lead over average). While there are probably some advantages to bringing a dominating stack into the next round, I personally think they’re outweighed by the dangers of bringing a tiny stack into the next round. Overall, I’d rather make it through the early rounds with average or slightly better stacks and be in decent shape heading into the last round than take chances on less-than-stellar hands which might result in my being crippled with a small stack early in the next round. When I went into heads-up at the end of this tournament, I had 900K chips to my opponent’s 2 million, blinds 50K-100K. We played 14 hands heads-up and by the last one our stacks were reversed – his 800K to my 2 million. Now, a large part of that swing was due to chance – I went all-in preflop with A9s and it turned out he had KK. Two aces on the flop and a 9 on the river, and his KK had crippled him. Three hands after that, he went all-in preflop and I called with QTd. Flopped a straight, not that it mattered because his all-in was a bluff – he had 74o, and the game was over. I outlasted a lot of people who had big stacks coming into each round. But I never saw a player who started the round with the minimum number of chips (or slightly more) get through to the end of the round. ---
**Author:** ![Aholibah](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e0b2c6/32.png) [@Aholibah](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aholibah)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2005, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sdmb-world-poker-tour-on-pokertropolis-rude-and-grim-when-you-go-all-in/306295/344 "2005-08-03T19:26:29Z")
Oh, and > [@CapnPitt](#): > > Finally, all I have to say is: **Aholibah** you rule! thanks!! :o ---
**Author:** ![Duke\_of\_Rat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Duke\_of\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duke_of_Rat)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2005, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sdmb-world-poker-tour-on-pokertropolis-rude-and-grim-when-you-go-all-in/306295/345 "2005-08-03T19:53:34Z")
I just can’t do worth a flip in these tourneys. I’ve been kinda busy lately and haven’t even played, but last time I entered a tourney I went out in about 4 hands or some such. Congrats, **Black Widow**! Here’s to your continued success (except on Thursdays, when I ain’t gonna root fer ya!) ---
**Author:** ![Aholibah](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e0b2c6/32.png) [@Aholibah](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aholibah)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2005, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sdmb-world-poker-tour-on-pokertropolis-rude-and-grim-when-you-go-all-in/306295/346 "2005-08-03T20:19:05Z")
**Dag** , been cogitating on your post and playing around in Excel, and discovered that I rather like a formula that goes 25%, 15%, 10%, and 50% for rounds 1-4, respectively. I think it makes a lot more sense. (Also, I would have won close to $2k that way. Not that that’s influencing my thinking). I wonder whether PP’s payout structure is typical of shootouts (internet and B&M) or if it’s unique to them. It seems to me they’d likely copy what other sites/casinos do in setting up their payouts. And thanks, **Duckie**! ---
**Author:** ![Dag\_Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/439d5e/32.png) [@Dag\_Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dag_Otto)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2005, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sdmb-world-poker-tour-on-pokertropolis-rude-and-grim-when-you-go-all-in/306295/347 "2005-08-03T21:27:16Z")
> [@Aholibah](#): > > I rather like a formula that goes 25%, 15%, 10%, and 50% for rounds 1-4, respectively. I have no experience with shootouts, so maybe they way they do it is common. However, I would probably be interested if the payout was 0%, 20%, 30%, and 50% for rounds 1-4. I don’t see any reason to get paid for making it past the first table. ---
**Author:** ![CapnPitt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/edb3f5/32.png) [@CapnPitt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CapnPitt)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2005, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sdmb-world-poker-tour-on-pokertropolis-rude-and-grim-when-you-go-all-in/306295/348 "2005-08-04T15:26:54Z")
Happy Thursday! \*\*Duke of Rat \*\* sucks! **Yeti** smells! **Nanook** is a bully! See you all at the table(s) tonight. ---
**Author:** ![Duke\_of\_Rat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Duke\_of\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duke_of_Rat)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2005, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sdmb-world-poker-tour-on-pokertropolis-rude-and-grim-when-you-go-all-in/306295/349 "2005-08-04T15:59:23Z")
Nuthin’ but luv fer you, too! Say, isn’t that a little dry rot on your keel?? ---
**Author:** ![Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc8723/32.png) [@Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nanook_of_the_North_Shore)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2005, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sdmb-world-poker-tour-on-pokertropolis-rude-and-grim-when-you-go-all-in/306295/350 "2005-08-04T22:29:02Z")
I am not a bully! Such libel will be met with pistols at dawn. 6:30 and no sign of the tournament. Everything ok X? ---
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2005, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sdmb-world-poker-tour-on-pokertropolis-rude-and-grim-when-you-go-all-in/306295/351 "2005-08-05T00:27:18Z")
Where’s 'da tourney at? ---
**Author:** ![Duke\_of\_Rat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Duke\_of\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duke_of_Rat)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2005, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sdmb-world-poker-tour-on-pokertropolis-rude-and-grim-when-you-go-all-in/306295/352 "2005-08-05T00:33:08Z")
It’s not just you this time, GO… I don’t think it’s been set up. ---
**Author:** ![CapnPitt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/edb3f5/32.png) [@CapnPitt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CapnPitt)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2005, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sdmb-world-poker-tour-on-pokertropolis-rude-and-grim-when-you-go-all-in/306295/353 "2005-08-05T00:37:40Z")
Should I worry yet? 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Duke\_of\_Rat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Duke\_of\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duke_of_Rat)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2005, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sdmb-world-poker-tour-on-pokertropolis-rude-and-grim-when-you-go-all-in/306295/354 "2005-08-05T00:45:56Z")
Not until I own your stack… ---
**Author:** ![Aholibah](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e0b2c6/32.png) [@Aholibah](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aholibah)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2005, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sdmb-world-poker-tour-on-pokertropolis-rude-and-grim-when-you-go-all-in/306295/355 "2005-08-05T00:52:51Z")
I’ve got customer service looking into it now. Check back soon. ---
**Author:** ![Duke\_of\_Rat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Duke\_of\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duke_of_Rat)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2005, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sdmb-world-poker-tour-on-pokertropolis-rude-and-grim-when-you-go-all-in/306295/356 "2005-08-05T01:00:51Z")
It’s up! **Aholibah** , YOU ROCK!! ---
**Author:** ![Aholibah](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e0b2c6/32.png) [@Aholibah](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aholibah)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2005, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sdmb-world-poker-tour-on-pokertropolis-rude-and-grim-when-you-go-all-in/306295/357 "2005-08-05T01:00:56Z")
Tournament table’s up, guys! ---
**Author:** ![Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc8723/32.png) [@Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nanook_of_the_North_Shore)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2005, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sdmb-world-poker-tour-on-pokertropolis-rude-and-grim-when-you-go-all-in/306295/358 "2005-08-05T03:43:11Z")
1 Dag Otto the suck out king of the night 2 Nanook 3 nesta 4 Ganster Oct 5 Aholibah 6 Miss Take 7 Dead Guy 8 Duck of Suck 9 Capn 10 Yeti 11 Xray 12 Fubbleskag So dominated Otto you bastid 😛 But it was a nice heads up up til then, back and forth. ---
**Author:** ![Dag\_Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/439d5e/32.png) [@Dag\_Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dag_Otto)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2005, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sdmb-world-poker-tour-on-pokertropolis-rude-and-grim-when-you-go-all-in/306295/359 "2005-08-05T03:54:39Z")
I am the King of Suck! But I’m no bully. AIM crapped out on me. Sorry about that. ---
**Author:** ![MissTake](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/misstake/32/3189_2.png) [@MissTake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MissTake)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2005, 1:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sdmb-world-poker-tour-on-pokertropolis-rude-and-grim-when-you-go-all-in/306295/360 "2005-08-05T13:08:11Z")
> [@Dag Otto](#): > > AIM crapped out on me. Sorry about that. Well, then you missed all the _nice_ things that were being said about you. Bummer, that. 😃 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sdmb-world-poker-tour-on-pokertropolis-rude-and-grim-when-you-go-all-in/306295.md?page=17) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sdmb-world-poker-tour-on-pokertropolis-rude-and-grim-when-you-go-all-in/306295.md?page=19)