# The Second Annual Steelers March To The Super Bowl Thread. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 10, 2004, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-annual-steelers-march-to-the-super-bowl-thread/259121 "2004-08-10T00:31:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2004, 12:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-annual-steelers-march-to-the-super-bowl-thread/259121/281 "2004-11-01T12:17:18Z")
> [@Ellis Dee](#): > > The Giants own the Vikings > The Giants own the Rams > The Falcons own the Giants (_whimper_ - we still have to play them this season.) > > Any others? The Browns haven’t exactly been fairing greatly against the Steelers in recent history. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2004, 12:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-annual-steelers-march-to-the-super-bowl-thread/259121/282 "2004-11-01T12:32:57Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > The Browns haven’t exactly been fairing greatly against the Steelers in recent history. Not really what I’m looking for. Division rivals are very familiar with each other, which makes it understandable if one of them gets under the skin of another. But the Giants have these inexplicable relationships with the Vikings, Rams, and Falcons. Any others that do not fall inside the division? Oh, I just thought of another: The Raiders own the Jets ---
**Author:** ![mouthbreather](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a698b9/32.png) [@mouthbreather](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mouthbreather)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2004, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-annual-steelers-march-to-the-super-bowl-thread/259121/283 "2004-11-01T13:32:20Z")
Some non-division Steeler ownings and ownees: We own : the Falcons. 11-1 all time. The Jets: 14-2 all time the Colts. 17-4 all time. the Buccaneers, 6-1 all time. Going the other way: against the Broncos, 8-14 against the Rams, 6-15 ---
**Author:** ![BubbaDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bubbadog/32/333_2.png) [@BubbaDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BubbaDog)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2004, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-annual-steelers-march-to-the-super-bowl-thread/259121/284 "2004-11-01T13:32:27Z")
> [@pepperlandgirl](#): > > Gah! What the fuck is going on here? Broncos lose two in a row, Chargers are tied for first place, and the Chiefs are winning by blowouts. > > What the fuck? What the fuck? What the fuck? WTF is RIGHT! The wheels came off the Broncos and now I am pissed at them too. Chargers in first place?! I mean, The Broncos loss helps the Chiefs in their attempt to climb back in this thing but - Chargers in first place!?! Shame on you. And just in case you haven’t been counting - The Chiefs have scored **101 points in the past two weeks** ---
**Author:** ![mouthbreather](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a698b9/32.png) [@mouthbreather](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mouthbreather)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2004, 1:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-annual-steelers-march-to-the-super-bowl-thread/259121/285 "2004-11-01T13:40:00Z")
> [@BubbaDog](#): > > And just in case you haven’t been counting - The Chiefs have scored **101 points in the past two weeks** I did notice. Good job! But, I also noticed they are below .500 and in third place in their division. ::some snide comment about tail wagging goes here. I havent had my coffee yet:: ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2004, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-annual-steelers-march-to-the-super-bowl-thread/259121/286 "2004-11-01T14:37:20Z")
> [@mouthbreather](#): > > [The Steelers] own […] The Jets: 14-2 all time That’s a downer, considering that matchup will happen in December, and I’m kinda counting on the Jets to win that one for tiebreaker purposes with the Pitiful Pats. (It feels good to be able to say that again.) Great examples, though, made much more impressive than mine by having the backing of all-time statistics, whereas I based mine on the last four or so years of remembering. (For example, one of the incidents of the Giants owning the Rams was actually a Rams win – by 1 point – during their double-dip in New York that season. The Giants beat them up and outplayed them, but lost due to red zone ineptitude.) ---
**Author:** ![BubbaDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bubbadog/32/333_2.png) [@BubbaDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BubbaDog)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2004, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-annual-steelers-march-to-the-super-bowl-thread/259121/287 "2004-11-01T16:53:33Z")
> [@mouthbreather](#): > > But, I also noticed they are below .500 and in third place in their division. > > ::some snide comment about tail wagging goes here. I havent had my coffee yet:: Yep, those early losses will haunt them all season. and Damn, my tail _ **was** _ waggin to see them break the Peyton Manning curse at Arrowhead. ---
**Author:** ![Mullinator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@Mullinator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mullinator)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2004, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-annual-steelers-march-to-the-super-bowl-thread/259121/288 "2004-11-01T17:03:00Z")
As an aside from team talk, who are we now forced to dislike more? Terrell Owens or Ray Lewis? That mocking dance was classic because it showed up one of the more irritating players in the league. But at the same time, Terrell is a big jerkwad in his own right. ---
**Author:** ![mouthbreather](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a698b9/32.png) [@mouthbreather](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mouthbreather)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2004, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-annual-steelers-march-to-the-super-bowl-thread/259121/289 "2004-11-01T17:09:41Z")
> [@Ellis Dee](#): > > more impressive than mine by having the backing of all-time statistics > **[Pro Football Statistics and History | Pro-Football-Reference.com](https://www.pro-football-reference.com/)** > > Complete source for pro football history including complete player, team, and league stats, awards, records, leaders, rookies and scores. Best site evah for NFL stat geeks. ---
**Author:** ![MsRobyn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/90ced4/32.png) [@MsRobyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsRobyn)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2004, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-annual-steelers-march-to-the-super-bowl-thread/259121/290 "2004-11-01T17:18:49Z")
Airman’s not here to gloat, of course, so I’ll do it for him… [size=7]Ha ha ha ha![/size=7] This goes for both the Steelers and the Cowboys, who FINALLY won one. And my beloved [Red Raiders](http://www.ship.edu/%7esid/football.htm) are 9-1 going into their last regular-season game. I am a happy girl. Robin ---
**Author:** ![MsRobyn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/90ced4/32.png) [@MsRobyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsRobyn)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2004, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-annual-steelers-march-to-the-super-bowl-thread/259121/291 "2004-11-01T17:20:37Z")
Airman’s not here to gloat, of course, so I’ll do it for him (and do a bit of gloating of my own)… Ha ha ha ha! This goes for both the Steelers and the Cowboys, who FINALLY won one. And my beloved [Red Raiders](http://www.ship.edu/%7esid/football.htm) are 9-1 going into their last regular-season game. I am a happy girl. Robin ---
**Author:** ![Weirddave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@Weirddave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weirddave)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2004, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-annual-steelers-march-to-the-super-bowl-thread/259121/292 "2004-11-01T18:29:37Z")
> [@Mullinator](#): > > As an aside from team talk, who are we now forced to dislike more? Terrell Owens or Ray Lewis? That mocking dance was classic because it showed up one of the more irritating players in the league. But at the same time, Terrell is a big jerkwad in his own right. I’m kind of interested in what it is that Ray Lewis does that makes him so “irritating”. Play hard? Play well? He doesn’t shoot his mouth off. What bugs you about Ray? ---
**Author:** ![Mullinator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@Mullinator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mullinator)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2004, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-annual-steelers-march-to-the-super-bowl-thread/259121/293 "2004-11-01T19:39:19Z")
> [@Weirddave](#): > > I’m kind of interested in what it is that Ray Lewis does that makes him so “irritating”. Play hard? Play well? He doesn’t shoot his mouth off. What bugs you about Ray? 1. There’s the whole Buckhead murder thing. While he may not have killed someone, he certainly did something unseemly in the midst of all of that. 2. He’s a Miami Hurricane. 3. That stupid pre-game dance. I just have an irrational dislike for macho jock posturing and he does a fair portion of it. 4. I dislike Brian Billick which reflects poorly on the Ravens under him. 5. I really dislike Art Modell which reflects poorly on the Ravens under him. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2004, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-annual-steelers-march-to-the-super-bowl-thread/259121/294 "2004-11-01T19:52:27Z")
> [@Mullinator](#): > > 1. There’s the whole Buckhead murder thing. While he may not have killed someone, he certainly did something unseemly in the midst of all of that. I was about to note that some moron would come in implying that Lewis was complicit in murder. I guess you beat me to it. > [@Mullinator](#): > > 1. He’s a Miami Hurricane. I’ll never understand why where someone went to college is such a big fucking deal six years after they graduate. > [@Mullinator](#): > > 1. That stupid pre-game dance. I just have an irrational dislike for macho jock posturing and he does a fair portion of it. Which, of course, makes him completely different from every other NFL player. :rolleyes: > [@Mullinator](#): > > 1. I dislike Brian Billick which reflects poorly on the Ravens under him. > 2. I really dislike Art Modell which reflects poorly on the Ravens under him. Actually, these things just reflect poorly on your level of reason and intelligence. I happen to think that Brian Billick is a complete tool, but i learned back when i was a kid that disliking one person doesn’t mean you have to dislike everyone associated with that person. ---
**Author:** ![Mullinator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@Mullinator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mullinator)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2004, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-annual-steelers-march-to-the-super-bowl-thread/259121/295 "2004-11-01T20:21:30Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > I was about to note that some moron would come in implying that Lewis was complicit in murder. I guess you beat me to it. Hey, you have your irrational sports dislikes, I’ll have mine. Don’t even get me started on Isiah Thomas or Billy Packer. Also, please point out where I said Lewis was complicit in murder. I did say: > [@](#): > > 1. There’s the whole Buckhead murder thing. While he may not have killed someone, he certainly did something unseemly in the midst of all of that. That’s a pretty far cry from saying something like “Ray Lewis helped kill someone” or “Ray Lewis is a murderer”, etc. Heck, Ray even [pled guilty](http://archives.cnn.com/2000/LAW/06/05/lewis.plea.bargain/) to obstruction of justice, which certainly seems to smack of doing something unseemly. Kindly save your rash jumping to a conclusion and your moron comments for a place like the Pit. > [@mhendo](#): > > I’ll never understand why where someone went to college is such a big fucking deal six years after they graduate. I won’t root for the Miami Hurricanes, much like I won’t root for the Chicago White Sox as they represent a team that I am diametrically opposed to for fan reasons. Of course, if Frank Thomas comes over and leads the Cubs to the World Series, every subsequent child of mine will be named Frank. Heck, if Ray Lewis comes over and mans 2nd base for Cubs in a championship season, I’ll add him to my will. > [@mhendo](#): > > Which, of course, makes him completely different from every other NFL player. :rolleyes: Yes, every other NFL player. Thank goodness they all fit so neatly under one little generalization. > [@mhendo](#): > > Actually, these things just reflect poorly on your level of reason and intelligence. I happen to think that Brian Billick is a complete tool, but i learned back when i was a kid that disliking one person doesn’t mean you have to dislike everyone associated with that person. There’s also the idea that the best judge of a person is to look at the people that person associates with. And again, this is sports. This is a field where an Eagles fan dislikes someone because he’s on the Cowboys but will wear the same guys jersey two years later when he’s the starting left tackle for the Eagles. There were probably 49ers fans that booed Joe Montana when he played for the Chiefs. You could have raging anger directed at Shawn Green who seems to be an absolutely wonderful human being but since he plays for the Dodgers, you as a Giants fan view him as a waste of space. It’s just sports. ---
**Author:** ![Weirddave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@Weirddave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weirddave)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2004, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-annual-steelers-march-to-the-super-bowl-thread/259121/296 "2004-11-01T20:25:42Z")
> [@](#): > > 1. There’s the whole Buckhead murder thing. While he may not have killed someone, he certainly did something unseemly in the midst of all of that. Yea, he confessed to the crime he committed (lying to the police) and testified against the real murderers. Chilling! > [@](#): > > 1. He’s a Miami Hurricane. He has a degree from the University of Maryland University College. > [@](#): > > 1. That stupid pre-game dance. I just have an irrational dislike for macho jock posturing and he does a fair portion of it. Everybody on the Ravens D agrees that that dance fires them up and helps them play competitively as a unit, so I’ll weather your scorn for the sake of the best defense in the NFL. > [@](#): > > 1. I dislike Brian Billick which reflects poorly on the Ravens under him. Brian Billick can be quite abrasive. Fortunately he’s a football coach (and a pretty good one) not the new Ms. Manners. What does this have to do with Ray? > [@](#): > > 1. I really dislike Art Modell which reflects poorly on the Ravens under him. Anyone who dislikes Mr. Modell is a fool of the largest magnitude, and a damn poor judge of character and class. What does this have to do with Ray? ---
**Author:** ![Mullinator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@Mullinator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mullinator)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2004, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-annual-steelers-march-to-the-super-bowl-thread/259121/297 "2004-11-01T20:32:17Z")
> [@Mullinator](#): > > Kindly save your rash jumping to a conclusion and your moron comments for a place like the Pit. And I’m clearly an idiot. Feel free to disregard that obtuse effort at a point. Heh. ---
**Author:** ![Weirddave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@Weirddave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weirddave)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2004, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-annual-steelers-march-to-the-super-bowl-thread/259121/298 "2004-11-01T20:50:38Z")
> [@Mullinator](#): > > And I’m clearly an idiot. Feel free to disregard that obtuse effort at a point. Heh. Hey, if that’s the way you’re going to be, why don’t you take it to the pit? ---
**Author:** ![Mullinator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@Mullinator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mullinator)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2004, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-annual-steelers-march-to-the-super-bowl-thread/259121/299 "2004-11-01T20:53:14Z")
> [@Weirddave](#): > > Hey, if that’s the way you’re going to be, why don’t you take it to the pit? For some strange reason I pictured this thread being in Great Debates. But that didn’t really pan out for me. ---
**Author:** ![lieu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c2a13f/32.png) [@lieu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lieu)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2004, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-annual-steelers-march-to-the-super-bowl-thread/259121/300 "2004-11-01T21:36:24Z")
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