# The Second Annual Steelers March To The Super Bowl Thread. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 10, 2004, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-annual-steelers-march-to-the-super-bowl-thread/259121 "2004-08-10T00:31:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 18
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2004, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-annual-steelers-march-to-the-super-bowl-thread/259121/341 "2004-11-09T14:56:23Z")
> [@Weirddave](#): > > The season’s only half over. Don’t count your chickens before the Ravens get to crow in your face. We slaughtered you once, I have no doubt we’ll do it again come December. Enjoy your nice little run here in the first half of the season, it’s who’s playing last in January that counts. I agree that there is a lot of football left. Unfortunately for the Ravens, that football includes games at the Jets, at New England, hosting the Giants, at Indianapolis, and at Pittsburgh. Considering the Ravens “slaughtering” record is 5 and 3, that the Browns “slaughtered” the Ravens before the Ravens “slaughtered” the Browns last night, and that the “slaughtering” of Pittsburgh came when our starting quarterback went out and our rookie backup made his first NFL appearance, I am not sure the game in December is even going to matter. Except of course, we will enjoy it no matter how far up the Steelers are going to be in the standings. ---
**Author:** ![Weirddave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@Weirddave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weirddave)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2004, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-annual-steelers-march-to-the-super-bowl-thread/259121/342 "2004-11-09T17:09:36Z")
> [@Hentor the Barbarian](#): > > I agree that there is a lot of football left. Unfortunately for the Ravens, that football includes games at the Jets, at New England, hosting the Giants, at Indianapolis, and at Pittsburgh. Considering the Ravens “slaughtering” record is 5 and 3, that the Browns “slaughtered” the Ravens before the Ravens “slaughtered” the Browns last night, and that the “slaughtering” of Pittsburgh came when our starting quarterback went out and our rookie backup made his first NFL appearance, I am not sure the game in December is even going to matter. Except of course, we will enjoy it no matter how far up the Steelers are going to be in the standings. Not to take anything away from Big Ben, he has certainly been impressive, and I will freely admit that right now, the Stillers are playing better than any team in the nation, but according to what I could find (it’s amazingly hard to find defensive team rankings on Google), that of 7 teams you’ve beaten, none has a defense ranked higher than 16th (Cle). The others are ranked 19,20,22,23,24 and 28. Lets see how he does against Ray and company, or the 'Skins, or the Jersey teams, or the Bills. Those teams are all ranked in the top 10 in D. Maybe he’ll feast. Maybe he’ll starve, who knows? It’s time to see how he does against top notch competition. The only time he’s faced a top defense this year, he wet the bed. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2004, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-annual-steelers-march-to-the-super-bowl-thread/259121/343 "2004-11-09T17:33:20Z")
> [@Weirddave](#): > > Not to take anything away from Big Ben, he has certainly been impressive, and I will freely admit that right now, the Stillers are playing better than any team in the nation, but according to what I could find (it’s amazingly hard to find defensive team rankings on Google), that of 7 teams you’ve beaten, none has a defense ranked higher than 16th (Cle). The others are ranked 19,20,22,23,24 and 28. Lets see how he does against Ray and company, or the 'Skins, or the Jersey teams, or the Bills. Those teams are all ranked in the top 10 in D. Maybe he’ll feast. Maybe he’ll starve, who knows? It’s time to see how he does against top notch competition. The only time he’s faced a top defense this year, he wet the bed. Wow - I’m glad you didn’t want to take anything away from Rothlisberger. I was momentarily confused by the part about him wetting the bed before I reread your introduction. Certainly it could be the case that we have beaten weaker defenses. Of course, if I were a Raven’s fan, the last comparisons I would be making is team offense versus opponent defense. From an outsiders perspective, it seems to me that Boller wets the bed no matter who the defense is. But we will have to see how things play out. I do wonder if you have the stats regarding team defense before playing the Steelers (or excluding the stats from Steeler games). We certainly have played a role in reducing opponents’ defensive stats, particularly rolling up the rushing numbers against them that we have. ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Ashtar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ea924/32.png) [@Lord\_Ashtar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Ashtar)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2004, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-annual-steelers-march-to-the-super-bowl-thread/259121/344 "2004-11-09T19:21:22Z")
> [@Weirddave](#): > > …(it’s amazingly hard to find defensive team rankings on Google)… Why didn’t you just go to the [NFL Homepage](http://www.nfl.com)? [Team rankings by total defense.](http://www.nfl.com/stats/teamsort/NFL/DEF-TOTAL/2004/regular?sort_col_1=4) ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Moto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9de0a6/32.png) [@Mr.Moto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Moto)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2004, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-annual-steelers-march-to-the-super-bowl-thread/259121/345 "2004-11-09T19:42:26Z")
Hmm… The Steelers have the second rated defense, and the top rated rushing offense. Seems like a winning combination to me. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Yeticus\_Rex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/a698b9/32.png) [@Yeticus\_Rex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yeticus_Rex)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2004, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-annual-steelers-march-to-the-super-bowl-thread/259121/346 "2004-11-09T22:57:29Z")
Just want to thank the Steelers for putting the **STFU** on T.O. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Soapbox\_Monkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ed655f/32.png) [@Soapbox\_Monkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Soapbox_Monkey)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2004, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-annual-steelers-march-to-the-super-bowl-thread/259121/347 "2004-11-10T00:04:07Z")
> [@Yeticus Rex](#): > > Just want to thank the Steelers for putting the **STFU** on T.O. 😃 He didn’t seem too quiet. I really wanted Donovan to bitch slap him. ---
**Author:** ![mouthbreather](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a698b9/32.png) [@mouthbreather](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mouthbreather)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2004, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-annual-steelers-march-to-the-super-bowl-thread/259121/348 "2004-11-10T00:43:25Z")
> [@Weirddave](#): > > The only time he’s [Ben] faced a top defense this year, he wet the bed. Yep, when he was thrown in during the third quarter in game two of his rookie season after an injury, and he throws two TD passes and completes 60%. Pure Urine! ---
**Author:** ![The\_Raven\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@The\_Raven\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Raven_1)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2004, 4:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-annual-steelers-march-to-the-super-bowl-thread/259121/349 "2004-11-13T04:59:07Z")
Flame on!!! > **[Browns' Warren: Fine 'worth it' to clock Big Ben](https://www.espn.com/nfl/news/story?id=1921643)** > > Coming off two bitter losses and with their season slipping > away, the Browns (3-5) need to somehow rattle Ben Roethlisberger on Sunday. And defensive tackle Gerard Warren thinks he knows just how to do it. > [@](#): > > CLEVELAND – Coming off two bitter losses and with their season slipping away, the Browns (3-5) need to somehow rattle Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger on Sunday. And defensive tackle Gerard Warren thinks he knows just how to do it. > > He wants to clock Big Ben. > > “One of these right here,” Warren said, raising his elbow. “Right in the throat, how about that?” > > But couldn’t that result in a fine? > > “Hey,” Warren said. “It will be worth it.” -Rav ---
**Author:** ![The\_Raven\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@The\_Raven\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Raven_1)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2004, 5:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-annual-steelers-march-to-the-super-bowl-thread/259121/350 "2004-11-13T05:05:55Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > We suddenly have a new Superbowl favorite…and **Airman** is going to be insufferable. Howyadoin, New Superbowl favorite? Riiiight… Road goes through Foxboro, kids. There’ll be “ **Airman** ” and “suffer” in the same sentence, but not quite the same same sentence, knowwhutimean? -Rav ---
**Author:** ![Enginerd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/bcef8e/32.png) [@Enginerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enginerd)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2004, 5:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-annual-steelers-march-to-the-super-bowl-thread/259121/351 "2004-11-13T05:27:20Z")
> [@Gerard Warren](#): > > One of these right here. Right in the throat, how about that? > > Hey, it will be worth it. Bastard. And I say that as a former defensive lineman. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2004, 5:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-annual-steelers-march-to-the-super-bowl-thread/259121/352 "2004-11-13T05:43:58Z")
Well, it’s sort of good to be seeing Warren show enthusiasm for something other than the buffet cart… ---
**Author:** ![Enginerd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/bcef8e/32.png) [@Enginerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enginerd)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2004, 6:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-annual-steelers-march-to-the-super-bowl-thread/259121/353 "2004-11-13T06:09:14Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > Well, it’s sort of good to be seeing Warren show enthusiasm for something other than the buffet cart… Bold words from someone named **Senor Beef** … 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Hal\_Briston](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a9a28c/32.png) [@Hal\_Briston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hal_Briston)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2004, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-annual-steelers-march-to-the-super-bowl-thread/259121/354 "2004-11-13T21:36:45Z")
> [@Gerard Warren](#): > > One of these right here. Right in the throat, how about that? > > Hey, it will be worth it. Still gonna be worth it, now that the league is going to be watching your ass like a hawk? You pull a cheap-shot that’s even _questionable_ whether or not it’s flagrant, and you’ll wind up with your ass on the pine for a few weeks, dumbass. Still, the whole thing is actually borderline laughable, since it’s coming from a guy with six tackles and two sacks for the entire season. Yeah, you’re a threat. :rolleyes: > [@Lisa Simpson](#): > > He’s gonna lose. Look at the fear in his eyes, listen to the quiver in his voice. He’s a little boy lost in a game of men. True 'dat, Lisa. Hopefully Roethlisberger is aware it’s a scare tactic. Just a loudmouth talking shit, trying to get into his head…not someone actually capable of taking it off (and yes, I’m aware he was able to put a cheap shot on Mark Brunell, but we’re talking night-and-day difference in O-lines here). ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2004, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-annual-steelers-march-to-the-super-bowl-thread/259121/355 "2004-11-13T22:53:58Z")
> [@Hal Briston](#): > > Still, the whole thing is actually borderline laughable, since it’s coming from a guy with six tackles and two sacks for the entire season. Yeah, you’re a threat. :rolleyes: He’s been out with injury all but about one and a half games I think. ---
**Author:** ![Hal\_Briston](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a9a28c/32.png) [@Hal\_Briston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hal_Briston)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2004, 5:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-annual-steelers-march-to-the-super-bowl-thread/259121/356 "2004-11-14T05:56:00Z")
Nope, and actually I had a low report on those stats. According to [NFL.com](http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/235255), he’s got 3 tackles and 1.5 sacks in 5 games. ---
**Author:** ![Weirddave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@Weirddave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weirddave)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2004, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-annual-steelers-march-to-the-super-bowl-thread/259121/357 "2004-11-14T22:10:57Z")
Did Joey Porter go over to the Cleveland sidelines and start that fight? They never showed the whole thing in context. _Assuming_ that he did, does anyone else want to continue to argue that he’s not a thug? Oh, and [If it’s Sunday, it must be football!](http://fff.fathom.org/pages/dipmodern/Watching%20the%20Ravens%20beat%20the%20Jets.jpg) The Ravens are 1-0 in the James Grant era. 😃 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2004, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-annual-steelers-march-to-the-super-bowl-thread/259121/358 "2004-11-14T22:41:55Z")
The only thing wrong with Steeler games this year is that they end! There should be a league stat kept on number of minutes spent taking a knee. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2004, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-annual-steelers-march-to-the-super-bowl-thread/259121/359 "2004-11-14T23:31:00Z")
I was there at the stadium, but I was looking through my program and so I didn’t see exactly how it started. It did start right at the browns sideline, but about at midfield between where the teams were warming up and stretching… I didn’t see who initiated it, but it looked for a moment like it was going to be an all out brawl. I was really hoping that spirit would continue into the game and we’d have a really good, hard fought game… ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2004, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-annual-steelers-march-to-the-super-bowl-thread/259121/360 "2004-11-15T13:56:30Z")
From a steelers (steelers’?) fan on another message board: "I’ve only heard Cleveland’s side of the story, but knowing Joey Porter fairly well I find it all too believable. From what I’ve read, the RBs from both teams were talking when Porter stormed the scene and started getting in Green’s face. This is the same Porter that tries to inflame Ray Lewis every time the Steelers play Baltimore. The same Porter that shoved an injured, defenseless Todd Heap to the ground writhing in pain with a bum ankle. The same Porter that talks all season but only shows up for a handful of games. So, unless new evidence comes to light to clear him, please accept this apology on behalf of Steeler fans for the embarrassment that is Joey Porter." [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-annual-steelers-march-to-the-super-bowl-thread/259121.md?page=17) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-annual-steelers-march-to-the-super-bowl-thread/259121.md?page=19)