# The second presidential debate: 10/16/2012

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-presidential-debate-10-16-2012/637847>\
**Category:** Politics & Elections\
**Created:** [October 16, 2012, 4:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-presidential-debate-10-16-2012/637847 "2012-10-16T04:35:45Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![UltraVires](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ecccb3/32.png) [@UltraVires](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UltraVires)\
**Post date:** [October 17, 2012, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-presidential-debate-10-16-2012/637847/181 "2012-10-17T01:39:19Z")

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Hasn’t this “women work the same job for less pay” been thoroughly debunked? And Obama is keeping it alive?

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**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\
**Post date:** [October 17, 2012, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-presidential-debate-10-16-2012/637847/182 "2012-10-17T01:39:35Z")

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Obama is so fucking cool and smart.

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**Author:** ![YWalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/6f9a4e/32.png) [@YWalker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YWalker)\
**Post date:** [October 17, 2012, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-presidential-debate-10-16-2012/637847/183 "2012-10-17T01:40:00Z")

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> [@eleanorigby](#):
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> Go Obama go! Wage equality is everyone’s issue.
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> Lol, MOL!

Unless, of course, all your income is from capital gains…

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**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\
**Post date:** [October 17, 2012, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-presidential-debate-10-16-2012/637847/184 "2012-10-17T01:40:27Z")

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“Vote for Romney, he’ll put some skirts in Cabinet”.

Aren’t most state Cabinets mostly elected? We elect the SecState and AG in my state.

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**Author:** ![A\_nice\_guy\_with\_an\_opinion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/76d3ee/32.png) [@A\_nice\_guy\_with\_an\_opinion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/A_nice_guy_with_an_opinion)\
**Post date:** [October 17, 2012, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-presidential-debate-10-16-2012/637847/185 "2012-10-17T01:40:32Z")

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> [@ThelmaLou](#):
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> Obama is so fucking cool and smart.

Dreamy.

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**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\
**Post date:** [October 17, 2012, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-presidential-debate-10-16-2012/637847/186 "2012-10-17T01:40:52Z")

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Another false claim about Obama doubling the deficit.

> **[US Deficit for FY2025: $2.03 trillion.](http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/federal_deficit_chart.html)**
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> The federal deficit for FY2026 will be $1.55 trillion. It is the amount by which federal outlays in the federal budget exceed federal receipts. Source: OMB Historical Tables.

Bush Deficits  
FY 2009†: $1,413 billion

## Obama FY 2010: $1,293 billion FY 2011: $1,300 billion FY 2012: $1,089 billion

So is Romney in favor of the Lily Ledbetter Act or not?

ETA: Good, Obama caught that.  
Contraception. He’s hitting his stride now.

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**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\
**Post date:** [October 17, 2012, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-presidential-debate-10-16-2012/637847/187 "2012-10-17T01:41:05Z")

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Binders full of women!

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**Author:** ![aag3981](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/53a042/32.png) [@aag3981](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aag3981)\
**Post date:** [October 17, 2012, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-presidential-debate-10-16-2012/637847/188 "2012-10-17T01:41:30Z")

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> [@xenophon41](#):
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> Boy, Romney rejected that life buoy question to insist his magic math adds up. Not smart.

“Of course the math adds up.” Not the right answer if you really want to know HOW the math adds up.

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**Author:** ![newcomer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/e5b9ba/32.png) [@newcomer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newcomer)\
**Post date:** [October 17, 2012, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-presidential-debate-10-16-2012/637847/189 "2012-10-17T01:41:41Z")

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Bill Maher on debate:

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> Mitt has gone a subway stop past confident to Arrogant -“of course my numbers add up, I was in business” -businessmen don’t ever lie!  
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> Mitt’s tax plan is like his underwear: magic

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**Author:** ![xenophon41](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xenophon41/32/253_2.png) [@xenophon41](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/xenophon41)\
**Post date:** [October 17, 2012, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-presidential-debate-10-16-2012/637847/190 "2012-10-17T01:41:46Z")

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> [@jtgain](#):
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> Hasn’t this “women work the same job for less pay” been thoroughly debunked?

Mmm… nope. It’s been obfuscated, but fairly ineffectively, as working women can do math better than Gov. Romney.

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**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\
**Post date:** [October 17, 2012, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-presidential-debate-10-16-2012/637847/191 "2012-10-17T01:42:07Z")

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What do you call JC Penney’s underwear catalog? Mormon porn.

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**Author:** ![eleanorigby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee7513/32.png) [@eleanorigby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eleanorigby)\
**Post date:** [October 17, 2012, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-presidential-debate-10-16-2012/637847/192 "2012-10-17T01:42:10Z")

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What? Business will be anxious to hire women? WTF?

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**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\
**Post date:** [October 17, 2012, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-presidential-debate-10-16-2012/637847/193 "2012-10-17T01:42:23Z")

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Romney: I’m goiing give all the women jobs in my cabinet. At least that’s what it sounds like.

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**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\
**Post date:** [October 17, 2012, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-presidential-debate-10-16-2012/637847/194 "2012-10-17T01:42:43Z")

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Romney is starting to babble.

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**Author:** ![MeanOldLady](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/meanoldlady/32/10737_2.png) [@MeanOldLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MeanOldLady)\
**Post date:** [October 17, 2012, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-presidential-debate-10-16-2012/637847/195 "2012-10-17T01:42:44Z")

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Did Mitt just say his firm enacted an Affirmative Action/inclusion policy?

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**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\
**Post date:** [October 17, 2012, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-presidential-debate-10-16-2012/637847/196 "2012-10-17T01:42:57Z")

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> [@Smapti](#):
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> “Vote for Romney, he’ll put some skirts in Cabinet”.

Didn’t Mitt just admit his staff was biased against women by suggesting only men?

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**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\
**Post date:** [October 17, 2012, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-presidential-debate-10-16-2012/637847/197 "2012-10-17T01:43:00Z")

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> [@jtgain](#):
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> Hasn’t this “women work the same job for less pay” been thoroughly debunked? And Obama is keeping it alive?

Debunked? Um…no. Not where I’ve worked.

I’ve experienced it myself.

Flexible work schedules…yeah, that will solve income inequality.

Question: is Mitt making up statistics on the fly?

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**Author:** ![Enkel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/df705f/32.png) [@Enkel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enkel)\
**Post date:** [October 17, 2012, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-presidential-debate-10-16-2012/637847/198 "2012-10-17T01:43:02Z")

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Romney… hard to find qualified women for cabinet… WTF! Women need flexible schedules… apparently men don’t have kids. Economy has to be strong enough to force employers to even look for women?

Didn’t hear his response to the actual question about equal pay… hmmm…

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**Author:** ![Kozmik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/8dc957/32.png) [@Kozmik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kozmik)\
**Post date:** [October 17, 2012, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-presidential-debate-10-16-2012/637847/199 "2012-10-17T01:43:26Z")

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Romney: “7.8% unemployment”

Remember, over 8% unemployment?

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**Author:** ![YWalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/6f9a4e/32.png) [@YWalker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YWalker)\
**Post date:** [October 17, 2012, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-presidential-debate-10-16-2012/637847/200 "2012-10-17T01:44:02Z")

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> [@Fear\_Itself](#):
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> Didn’t Mitt just admit his staff was biased against women by suggesting only men?

That’s exactly what I was thinking!

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