# The second presidential debate: 10/16/2012 **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [October 16, 2012, 4:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-presidential-debate-10-16-2012/637847 "2012-10-16T04:35:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 32
**Author:** ![Andiethewestie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ba9def/32.png) [@Andiethewestie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andiethewestie)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2012, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-presidential-debate-10-16-2012/637847/621 "2012-10-17T04:03:08Z")
Google Surveys show Obama at 48% Romney at 31% [http://www.google.com/insights/consumersurveys/view?survey=7rlpln44hcouq&question=2&filter&rw=1&dataGen=3](http://www.google.com/insights/consumersurveys/view?survey=7rlpln44hcouq&question=2&filter&rw=1&dataGen=3) ---
**Author:** ![LavenderBlue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e95f7d/32.png) [@LavenderBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LavenderBlue)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2012, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-presidential-debate-10-16-2012/637847/622 "2012-10-17T04:03:19Z")
Those were the most liberal questions I’ve heard in any presidential debate in living memory. It was delicious. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2012, 4:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-presidential-debate-10-16-2012/637847/623 "2012-10-17T04:04:15Z")
> [@jtgain](#): > > Candy Crowley now admits that she was wrong about Romney’s remarks on Libya. Oopsy. > > [Candy Crowley: He Was Right](http://freebeacon.com/candy-crowley-he-was-right/) Can we get some Candy vs Candy or Candy Debates Herself YouTube videos out of this? ---
**Author:** ![BlackKnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/eb8c5e/32.png) [@BlackKnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlackKnight)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2012, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-presidential-debate-10-16-2012/637847/624 "2012-10-17T04:05:15Z")
> [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](#): > > It was a complete and obvious lie and the stupid moderator covered for him. The whole thing was a farce. Have I misunderstood you, or are you really splitting hairs over “acts of terror” versus “terrorism”? ---
**Author:** ![Nazarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c57346/32.png) [@Nazarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nazarene)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2012, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-presidential-debate-10-16-2012/637847/625 "2012-10-17T04:05:16Z")
> [@jtgain](#): > > Candy Crowley now admits that she was wrong about Romney’s remarks on Libya. Oopsy. > > [Candy Crowley: He Was Right](http://freebeacon.com/candy-crowley-he-was-right/) You must have posted the wrong link. This one does not support your assertion. ---
**Author:** ![Jas09](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d07c76/32.png) [@Jas09](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jas09)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2012, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-presidential-debate-10-16-2012/637847/626 "2012-10-17T04:05:52Z")
> [@jtgain](#): > > Candy Crowley now admits that she was wrong about Romney’s remarks on Libya. Oopsy. > > [Candy Crowley: He Was Right](http://freebeacon.com/candy-crowley-he-was-right/) Like I said, even the most obvious of mistakes (Romney specifically using the phrase “act of terror”) will be defended as true. This is the quote from the debate: “I want to make sure we get that for the record,” Romney said, “[…] It took the president 14 days before he called the attack in Benghazi an act of terror.”" That is completely false by any possible reading of the Rose Garden speech. ---
**Author:** ![Belowjob2.0](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Belowjob2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Belowjob2.0)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2012, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-presidential-debate-10-16-2012/637847/627 "2012-10-17T04:07:17Z")
Again, this weaseling on the “acts of terror” quote is bullshit spin. It’s like Clinton doing his famous “depends on the meaning of ‘is’”. ---
**Author:** ![Nazarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c57346/32.png) [@Nazarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nazarene)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2012, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-presidential-debate-10-16-2012/637847/628 "2012-10-17T04:07:23Z")
From what I can gather, media conservatives are trying to construct some kind of “lie” narrative based on the premise that there is some kind of distinction between “act of terror,” and “acts of terror.” ---
**Author:** ![BlackKnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/eb8c5e/32.png) [@BlackKnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlackKnight)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2012, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-presidential-debate-10-16-2012/637847/629 "2012-10-17T04:08:50Z")
That’s positively adorable. ---
**Author:** ![MeanOldLady](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/meanoldlady/32/10737_2.png) [@MeanOldLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MeanOldLady)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2012, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-presidential-debate-10-16-2012/637847/630 "2012-10-17T04:09:04Z")
You call that a cite? Stand down. Edit: You people are fast and I am tired. Standing down now. ---
**Author:** ![Tarwater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9de0a6/32.png) [@Tarwater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tarwater)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2012, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-presidential-debate-10-16-2012/637847/631 "2012-10-17T04:09:32Z")
> [@jtgain](#): > > Candy Crowley now admits that she was wrong about Romney’s remarks on Libya. Oopsy. > > [Candy Crowley: He Was Right](http://freebeacon.com/candy-crowley-he-was-right/) Why even bother posting stuff like this if it doesn’t withstand even the slightest amount of scrutiny. Crowley only repeated what she said during the debate, that Romney was incorrect about his “terror” remark but correct about the two week timeliness following the incident. ---
**Author:** ![Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omg_a_Black_Conservative)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2012, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-presidential-debate-10-16-2012/637847/632 "2012-10-17T04:10:23Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > Stupid moderators. _sulk_ I gave you two cites; one is a fact check from WaPo and the other is the moderator herself admitting Romney was right. I take it your response means you’ve got nothing, right? ---
**Author:** ![BlackKnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/eb8c5e/32.png) [@BlackKnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlackKnight)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2012, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-presidential-debate-10-16-2012/637847/633 "2012-10-17T04:12:40Z")
> [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](#): > > I gave you two cites; one is a fact check from WaPo and the other is the moderator herself admitting Romney was right. I take it your response means you’ve got nothing, right? Again I ask - have I misunderstood something, or is this really just hair-splitting? Neither of your cites was helpful in explaining what precisely you’re claiming here. ---
**Author:** ![bengangmo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/50afbb/32.png) [@bengangmo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bengangmo)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2012, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-presidential-debate-10-16-2012/637847/634 "2012-10-17T04:12:59Z")
IF the Benghazi thing is the most they’ve got, and acts of terror / terroism, when what was done is the most that the right wing can take out of that debate I would have to call them pretty desperate. ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2012, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-presidential-debate-10-16-2012/637847/635 "2012-10-17T04:15:23Z")
Anyone\* watching wasn’t thinking “Hmmm, I wonder what the exact wording about Libya was…” They were watching The GrownUp In Chief staring down a disrespectful greenhorn. Who then just had to act like a soulless politician trying to score points with his base. \*(ok, anyone who doesn’t have to check with Fox News to see what their opinion is…) ---
**Author:** ![Curiosity\_Kills\_Her](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8c91f0/32.png) [@Curiosity\_Kills\_Her](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Curiosity_Kills_Her)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2012, 4:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-presidential-debate-10-16-2012/637847/636 "2012-10-17T04:16:21Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > 9/11. If that’s the case why did he mention Benghazi _after_ 9/11 but before saying “act of terror?” ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2012, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-presidential-debate-10-16-2012/637847/637 "2012-10-17T04:19:31Z")
> [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](#): > > I gave you two cites; one is a fact check from WaPo and the other is the moderator herself admitting Romney was right. I take it your response means you’ve got nothing, right? No, I’ve got the President’s actual quote. If you and the rest of the right wing want to split hairs and call the moderator stupid and other such schoolyard insults, go right ahead. I imagine most people really don’t give a shit about this issue. And in fact, I just watched a room full of “undecideds” from Ohio say on CNN that this was Romney’s low point in the debate. But seriously, continue to cry about the stupid moderator. I could not care one ounce less about that because my bucket of care on this issue is bone damn dry. ETA: I also find it really fucking interesting how in one minute the moderator is stupid, and the next you’re “citing” her. ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2012, 4:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-presidential-debate-10-16-2012/637847/638 "2012-10-17T04:20:33Z")
> [@](#): > > “Every instapoll tonight has declared @BarackObama the winner. **Wins indies big in CO poll.** And wins on key middle class question with undecideds.” From DeeDee Myers (former WH Press Sec) on Twitter, with encouraging part bolded. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2012, 4:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-presidential-debate-10-16-2012/637847/639 "2012-10-17T04:24:07Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > The CNN Poll: Obama 46% and Romney 39%. That’s a mild win, but I don’t think it’s realistic to characterize it as “Obama seems to have totally owned this one”. A scientific sampling of debate watchers didn’t see it that way. My totally unscientific sampling of “things people are saying on Facebook” points to a slight-to-moderate edge for Obama. ETA: for what it’s worth, the only part of the debate I actually heard was the Lilly Ledbetter Act bit, and Romney blew that question every bit as much as he dominated the first debate. “Women will do better under my administration because I hire lots of them and I’ll grow the economy.” ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2012, 4:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-presidential-debate-10-16-2012/637847/640 "2012-10-17T04:24:18Z")
The fact that the Benghazi attack is going to continue to be talked about in the media for another couple of days is probably not good for Obama. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-presidential-debate-10-16-2012/637847.md?page=31) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-presidential-debate-10-16-2012/637847.md?page=33)