# The second presidential debate: 10/16/2012

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-presidential-debate-10-16-2012/637847>\
**Category:** Politics & Elections\
**Created:** [October 16, 2012, 4:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-presidential-debate-10-16-2012/637847 "2012-10-16T04:35:45Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![xenophon41](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xenophon41/32/253_2.png) [@xenophon41](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/xenophon41)\
**Post date:** [October 17, 2012, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-presidential-debate-10-16-2012/637847/101 "2012-10-17T01:19:47Z")

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That backfired on Romney.

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**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\
**Post date:** [October 17, 2012, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-presidential-debate-10-16-2012/637847/102 "2012-10-17T01:19:57Z")

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Romney keeps trying to interrupt and Obama is blocking him.

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**Author:** ![BlackKnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/eb8c5e/32.png) [@BlackKnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlackKnight)\
**Post date:** [October 17, 2012, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-presidential-debate-10-16-2012/637847/103 "2012-10-17T01:20:21Z")

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CNN’s has real-time ratings by “undecided voters” (green line for men, yellow line for women, you can watch them go up and down as people approve or disapprove of what’s being said).

It’s interesting that the ratings plummet whenever either of the candidates takes a negative tone.

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**Author:** ![Nazarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c57346/32.png) [@Nazarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nazarene)\
**Post date:** [October 17, 2012, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-presidential-debate-10-16-2012/637847/104 "2012-10-17T01:20:30Z")

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Romney breaking the rules there. Candidates aren’t supposed to ask each other questions.

This following Obama around making hectoring accusations looks terrible.

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**Author:** ![eleanorigby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee7513/32.png) [@eleanorigby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eleanorigby)\
**Post date:** [October 17, 2012, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-presidential-debate-10-16-2012/637847/105 "2012-10-17T01:21:06Z")

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> [@MaxTheVool](#):
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> No one actually answering the question about gas prices… probably because the answer would be “nothing the president does has a damn thing to do with gas prices, but if I say that, it makes me sound ineffectual”.

Exactly.

Romney’s already showing cracks in his facade. There’s fuck all Romney can do about lowering the price at the pump.

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**Author:** ![MeanOldLady](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/meanoldlady/32/10737_2.png) [@MeanOldLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MeanOldLady)\
**Post date:** [October 17, 2012, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-presidential-debate-10-16-2012/637847/106 "2012-10-17T01:21:23Z")

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Nice! Obama pulled a Biden on that one.

Mittens/Pauly: Bla bla bla.  
Obama/Joe: Bullshit!

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**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\
**Post date:** [October 17, 2012, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-presidential-debate-10-16-2012/637847/107 "2012-10-17T01:22:21Z")

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Fiscal year 2008 Onshore Federal Oil Production: 285,000 BBLs per day.  
2011: 306,000

Romney’s claim is not accurate.

Offshore, ditto, 2008: 1,267,000  
Offshore, 2011: 1,408,000

Again, not accurate.

Admittedly: 2007: 1,408,000

Cite: [http://www.eenews.net/assets/2012/04/03/document\_gw\_01.pdf](http://www.eenews.net/assets/2012/04/03/document_gw_01.pdf) PDF!

h/t [http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2012/10/04/958801/at-last-nights-debate-romney-told-27-myths-in-38-minutes/](http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2012/10/04/958801/at-last-nights-debate-romney-told-27-myths-in-38-minutes/)

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**Author:** ![xenophon41](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xenophon41/32/253_2.png) [@xenophon41](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/xenophon41)\
**Post date:** [October 17, 2012, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-presidential-debate-10-16-2012/637847/108 "2012-10-17T01:22:27Z")

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“It’s conceivable that Governor Romney could bring down gas prices” by crashing the economy again.

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**Author:** ![YWalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/6f9a4e/32.png) [@YWalker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YWalker)\
**Post date:** [October 17, 2012, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-presidential-debate-10-16-2012/637847/109 "2012-10-17T01:22:42Z")

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Booyah! Call him out on his wind energy comments!

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**Author:** ![Kozmik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/8dc957/32.png) [@Kozmik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kozmik)\
**Post date:** [October 17, 2012, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-presidential-debate-10-16-2012/637847/110 "2012-10-17T01:23:00Z")

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Romney quibbling.

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**Author:** ![Ambivalid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a5b964/32.png) [@Ambivalid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambivalid)\
**Post date:** [October 17, 2012, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-presidential-debate-10-16-2012/637847/111 "2012-10-17T01:23:01Z")

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> [@xenophon41](#):
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> “It’s conceivable that Governor Romney could bring down gas prices” by crashing the economy again.

That got a crowd reaction. 😃

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**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\
**Post date:** [October 17, 2012, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-presidential-debate-10-16-2012/637847/112 "2012-10-17T01:23:17Z")

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Romney trying to interrupt again. “It’s my turn! He got the first question! Candy, Candy, Candy…”

He’s acting like a petulant child.

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**Author:** ![Nazarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c57346/32.png) [@Nazarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nazarene)\
**Post date:** [October 17, 2012, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-presidential-debate-10-16-2012/637847/113 "2012-10-17T01:23:23Z")

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Jesus, Romney, shut the fuck up. You look like a dickhead.

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**Author:** ![eleanorigby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee7513/32.png) [@eleanorigby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eleanorigby)\
**Post date:** [October 17, 2012, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-presidential-debate-10-16-2012/637847/114 "2012-10-17T01:23:30Z")

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Man, he’s starting to lose it. And he’s being rude to Candy.

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**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\
**Post date:** [October 17, 2012, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-presidential-debate-10-16-2012/637847/115 "2012-10-17T01:23:36Z")

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> [@ThelmaLou](#):
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> Romney: “North America energy independent in seven years!”

He’s planning on becoming dependent on Canadian oil? Please elect him while we hike the prices.

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**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\
**Post date:** [October 17, 2012, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-presidential-debate-10-16-2012/637847/116 "2012-10-17T01:23:39Z")

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Speaking of “wind jobs”…

😃

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**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\
**Post date:** [October 17, 2012, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-presidential-debate-10-16-2012/637847/117 "2012-10-17T01:23:43Z")

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“Governor Romney’s policies may well bring down gas prices, because his economic policies will plunge us into recession again!”

Point Obama.

Romney appreciates wind and solar jobs. He just won’t invest in them.

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**Author:** ![MeanOldLady](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/meanoldlady/32/10737_2.png) [@MeanOldLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MeanOldLady)\
**Post date:** [October 17, 2012, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-presidential-debate-10-16-2012/637847/118 "2012-10-17T01:23:47Z")

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> [@ThelmaLou](#):
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> New drinking game: every time Obama calls Romney a liar, drink!

You I like. Obama’s already called him a liar about four times. Joe Biden would have referred to the statements as “malarkey.”

Also, damn it! Candy Crowley was thisclose to just shutting Mitchell’s ass down, but then he assholed his way through.

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**Author:** ![BlackKnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/eb8c5e/32.png) [@BlackKnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlackKnight)\
**Post date:** [October 17, 2012, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-presidential-debate-10-16-2012/637847/119 "2012-10-17T01:24:17Z")

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And the ratings are also very low when they interrupt each other. And by “each other”, I mean when Romney thinks he owns the venue and tries talking over the moderator.

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**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\
**Post date:** [October 17, 2012, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-presidential-debate-10-16-2012/637847/120 "2012-10-17T01:24:17Z")

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Mitt the Mouth.

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