# The Second Stone is a piece of shit **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 14, 2014, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445 "2014-09-14T01:07:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Giraffe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giraffe/32/129_2.png) [@Giraffe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffe)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2014, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/1 "2014-09-14T01:07:20Z")
In [yet another thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=734067) inspired by the Ray Rice insight, we get an unexpected glimpse into the mind of **The Second Stone**. I recommend barf bags: > [@"A man should never hit a woman." OK to hit a man?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-man-should-never-hit-a-woman-ok-to-hit-a-man/698384/16): > > Look at the video and tell me what you think. He punched her after she ineffectively tried and may have succeeded in punching him a couple of times, the second after he retreated. He punched her in self-defense, not nearly as hard as he could have. Take a look. If I’m on a jury, he gets acquitted if that is the evidence. > > As much as I’d like to jump on the bandwagon, the truth is that this isn’t a criminal act on his part, it is on her part, and everybody is wrong. He should not have been suspended at all. > > I’d like to think that I’d maybe push her away and wouldn’t do this, but I wasn’t there. He hit her after being attacked a couple of times. Not hard. She was knocked unconscious. > > **It is not cool for her to have attacked him. He was just defending himself.** > [@"A man should never hit a woman." OK to hit a man?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-man-should-never-hit-a-woman-ok-to-hit-a-man/698384/22): > > Have you seen the video? He wasn’t supposed to hit her. But when you repeatedly are attacked, extending your fist, which is what happened, is probably going to happen eventually. I’ll agree that he doesn’t know his own strength, but the video doesn’t show him putting anything behind it. He stepped back and she kept attacking him, he extended his fist and she falls like a sack of potatoes. It isn’t all out of proportion. **He gave her about the lightest hit a guy like him could have given.** Look at the video. I’m not at all happy that I have to call this one like I see it, but he isn’t in the wrong here. This isn’t an “I’m afraid for my life” swing, **but a tiny “stop chasing and hitting me” defensive punch**. Look at the video. > [@"A man should never hit a woman." OK to hit a man?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-man-should-never-hit-a-woman-ok-to-hit-a-man/698384/27): > > Yeah, but you aren’t going to hit me over it, are you? I’d love to be utterly wrong on this one. If this woman did that to me in the elevator, or you, **I wouldn’t blame someone for doing the same thing.** What are you supposed to do? Stand there and take it? Curl up in a ball? I suppose putting one’s arm out would be acceptable, provided the arm goes out slowly. > [@"A man should never hit a woman." OK to hit a man?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-man-should-never-hit-a-woman-ok-to-hit-a-man/698384/29): > > Is the point you are making that he has no right to defend himself because he isn’t dainty? He’s pretty clearly angered and emotional. She is trying to start a fight. And it works. We have a lot of time here to consider our responses, he had about half a second. He retreated and she came after him. **Plan A did not work. Plan B was to put his fist out.** Your option was that he should have remained clam and taken her physical abuse. That isn’t how humans do things. Your earlier example of the kid at Toys R Us indicates a dispassionate stranger “attacked” by a toddler he doesn’t know. That isn’t the situation. This is a woman he is having an argument with that is already under his skin. He retreats and she follows up by chasing and attacking him. > [@"A man should never hit a woman." OK to hit a man?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-man-should-never-hit-a-woman-ok-to-hit-a-man/698384/33): > > He didn’t do any of these very thoughtful things. He retreated and threw a punch without his weight behind it. Your responses are very considered. Have you been in this three second situation and done just that? That would have been nice. But that isn’t what people do. > > The point I made was that if you look at the video, you can see that he does not “beat her as hard as he could have” or even a portion of it. He doesn’t lean into it at all. Sometimes, when you pick a fight with a much larger human being and throw a few punches, a punch will be directed your way. > > I’m going to agree with Mr. and Mrs. Rice that this is being blown all out of proportion for the entertainment of the masses. Women, and nobody for that matter, should be beat up, but this isn’t the poster case for it. > [@"A man should never hit a woman." OK to hit a man?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-man-should-never-hit-a-woman-ok-to-hit-a-man/698384/34): > > I agree with that in principle. I’ve never hit a girlfriend and I’d like to think I never would. But I’ve never been in that situation. If I had a girlfriend that hit me, I’d like to think that I’d ask that it never happen again. And if it did, it would be an ended relationship. But I haven’t been in that situation. (bolding mine) **The Second Stone** , when you find yourself typing out all these posts to fervently defend a man who knocked his fiance unconscious, it might be time to reevaluate your priorities. Or, barring that, get a tattoo on your forehead that says “irredeemable piece of shit” so people have fair warning to stay far away from you. ---
**Author:** ![chacoguy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/50afbb/32.png) [@chacoguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chacoguy)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2014, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/2 "2014-09-14T01:45:28Z")
He threw a punch without hie weight behind it. I was her own damn fault that she was too weak to remain conscious. Bitches need to learn not to have glass jaws. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2014, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/3 "2014-09-14T01:50:33Z")
I suppose, at perhaps some miniscule few points in human history, a man may have knocked out a woman with a punch with reasonable justification. This was not one of those cases. **Second Stone** , you didn’t just happen to stumble across one of those extremely rare situations in which punching a woman with knockout force is the appropriate action. Pitting endorsed. ---
**Author:** ![LavenderBlue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e95f7d/32.png) [@LavenderBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LavenderBlue)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2014, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/4 "2014-09-14T01:55:53Z")
Wow. Just wow. :eek: ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2014, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/5 "2014-09-14T02:02:28Z")
Good for Ray. A knockout punch is the appropriate response to genocide. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2014, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/6 "2014-09-14T02:38:11Z")
Weak pitting, mostly quotes. Try harder. Vinyl Turnip did better with less plagiarism and an economy of words that don’t come off looking lazy. I realize my interpretation of the video is unpopular, but I calls 'em like I see 'em. The video I saw definitely had her starting fisticuffs she had no business starting, and him finishing them. Where I come from, if you start throwing punches, you’d better be prepared to take a few. Now excuse me while I go flush myself down the toilet three times. It’s a long way to Giraffe’s kitchen. ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2014, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/7 "2014-09-14T02:41:19Z")
Excellent pitting for a domestic-abuser apologist. OP doesn’t need to say much when the pittee’s words say it all. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2014, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/8 "2014-09-14T02:58:49Z")
How many ways is TSS a piece of shit? Shall we count them? Wasn’t there some other thing a while back that I can’t remember because vodka? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2014, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/9 "2014-09-14T02:59:28Z")
> [@IvoryTowerDenizen](#): > > Excellent pitting for a domestic-abuser apologist. OP doesn’t need to say much when the pittee’s words say it all. You are the one defending this woman’s attack as deserving no defense at all. ---
**Author:** ![Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heffalump_and_roo/32/7691_2.png) [@Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Heffalump_and_Roo)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2014, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/10 "2014-09-14T03:00:41Z")
> [@Giraffe](#): > > **The Second Stone** , when you find yourself typing out all these posts to fervently defend a man who knocked his fiance unconscious, it might be time to reevaluate your priorities. Or, barring that, get a tattoo on your forehead that says “irredeemable piece of shit” so people have fair warning to stay far away from you. Are you Pitting **The Second Stone** because he represents anyone who defends Ray Rice just on the principle that anyone who defends Ray Rice is an “irredeemable piece of shit”? Or is it because **The Second Stone** stopped to explain his opinion several times? Or something else? ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2014, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/11 "2014-09-14T03:03:47Z")
> [@The\_Second\_Stone](#): > > Weak pitting, mostly quotes. Quotes of your posts. When people are reading what you wrote and deciding you’re an asshole, it’s the strongest pitting of all. ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2014, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/12 "2014-09-14T03:04:30Z")
> [@The\_Second\_Stone](#): > > You are the one defending this woman’s attack as deserving no defense at all. Huh? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2014, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/13 "2014-09-14T03:10:10Z")
> [@Heffalump\_and\_Roo](#): > > Are you Pitting **The Second Stone** because he represents anyone who defends Ray Rice just on the principle that anyone who defends Ray Rice is an “irredeemable piece of shit”? > > Or is it because **The Second Stone** stopped to explain his opinion several times? > > Or something else? Giraffe and Ivory are largely psychologically projecting their own moral failings on me. Not that I don’t have my own moral failings. You don’t hit someone else, and if you do, you can, with normal human reactions, expect that you might get hit back. There is in fact a legal defense to striking someone else, and that is self-defense. What Giraffe and Ivory are fighting hard for is the position that no man should ever be allowed to assert self-defense when attacked by their female partner. I disagree. The video I linked to shows an incident where the man had a swing taken at him, he retreated as far as he could, was advanced upon and swung on again, and then he threw a punch. You do not corner an attacked living thing and attack. It is most unwise. It cannot flee. It can do nothing, it can show submission or it can fight. The most likely outcome is to fight. Those biological facts might made me undigested food, bacteria and dead human cells, but they are still biological facts. Take a look at this video: [![]( " - YouTube") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hb4ofSj38I) ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2014, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/14 "2014-09-14T03:11:46Z")
I am limiting my comments to Ray Rice. Why are you globalizing my situational specific words? ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2014, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/15 "2014-09-14T03:20:04Z")
At least Ray Rice has publicly apologized for hitting a woman, whether he’s sincere or not. The Second Stone is publicly defending and excusing him for doing the knock-out punch. Believe it or not, but I think we’ve found a more loathsome piece of crap than Ray Rice. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2014, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/16 "2014-09-14T03:20:08Z")
> [@IvoryTowerDenizen](#): > > I am limiting my comments to Ray Rice. Why are you globalizing my situational specific words? 'Cuz this is the Pit and it’s fun. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2014, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/17 "2014-09-14T03:22:00Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > At least Ray Rice has publicly apologized for hitting a woman, whether he’s sincere or not. The Second Stone is publicly defending and excusing him for doing the knock-out punch. > > Believe it or not, but I think we’ve found a more loathsome piece of crap than Ray Rice. Now, that is worthy of the Pit. A nice zinger turning the tables. Happy Lenderyedder thinks that having an opinion is worse than than hitting your wife and apologizing. That is really poor judgment, but considering the source, entirely predictable. ---
**Author:** ![joyfool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/df788c/32.png) [@joyfool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joyfool)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2014, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/18 "2014-09-14T03:28:09Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Quotes of your posts. When people are reading what you wrote and deciding you’re an asshole, it’s the strongest pitting of all. Yanno, I was going to comment on that. I think the strongest pittings I’ve ever seen is where the guest of honor basically hangs themselves. In this case, I believe he’s deployed a firing squad as well. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2014, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/19 "2014-09-14T03:29:54Z")
A circular one! ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2014, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/20 "2014-09-14T03:32:09Z")
And I disagree about a pitting being only quotes. Using mostly quotes can be an effective counter-argument, but a pitting should have insults, originality and a poetic zing. Like post # 5, which had all of those. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445.md?page=2)