# The Second Stone is a piece of shit **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 14, 2014, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445 "2014-09-14T01:07:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2014, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/221 "2014-09-15T00:22:25Z")
> [@Killing\_Time](#): > > I see what you did there. You took my comment and repeated it back to me. You’re just hitting one home run after another here. Your mom’s gonna be proud. Meh, like if I have not seen better retorts, I think it is better to show with examples why one should not assume that things do not exist just because one is missing them. Using only rhetoric with no evidence to support what you say is a bigger problem than demanding others to be “nuanced”. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2014, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/222 "2014-09-15T00:24:44Z")
> [@Killing\_Time](#): > > I said that WE didn’t have the evidence, here in this thread. We were discussing the footage from the elevator. Are you this dense in real life, or do you just play a dense guy on the internet? Nope, the dense one is you, the point was that evidence existed before this discussion, it existed independently of what your ignorance told you. And the fact that I found it with just a few queries at Google shows me that you had the same capability, the lesson here is that this is the 21st century and you are only demanding that we should remain ignorant to have a “good” discussion, or a nuanced one. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2014, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/223 "2014-09-15T00:25:53Z")
> [@Killing\_Time](#): > > Yes, because in your completely un-nuanced, black and white, on or off mind, there is no difference between “Maybe he didn’t intend to knock her out. Maybe she just hit her head on the railing”, and “I love Ray Rice and I support and defend everything he does or ever has done.”:rolleyes: The issue of nuance has nothing to do with the fact that you are literally, actually, and repeatedly defending Rice. If you weren’t defending Rice, you would have shut up pages ago. ---
**Author:** ![Killing\_Time](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/76d3ee/32.png) [@Killing\_Time](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Killing_Time)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2014, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/224 "2014-09-15T00:28:40Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > That time was today, the CBS report came on 9-11-2014 > [@GIGObuster](#): > > Meh, like if I have not seen better retorts, I think it is better to show with examples why one should not assume that things do not exist just because one is missing them. Using only rhetoric with no evidence to support what you say is a bigger problem than demanding others to be “nuanced”. This is complete, unadulterated bullshit. A couple people were claiming SHE didn’t hit with closed fists and HE did hit with closed fists. They were basing this only on their viewing of the video. I pointed out that the video doesn’t show that his fists are closed either. Later, you showed a source that said he admitted “punching” her, and I acknowledged that it was additional evidence. You’re just being a troll and a dick now. And your retort was fucking stupid, regardless of whether you’ve “seen better” or not. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2014, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/225 "2014-09-15T00:31:59Z")
> [@Killing\_Time](#): > > This is complete, unadulterated bullshit. A couple people were claiming SHE didn’t hit with closed fists and HE did hit with closed fists. > > They were basing this only on their viewing of the video. I pointed out that the video doesn’t show that his fists are closed either. > > Later, you showed a source that said he admitted “punching” her, and I acknowledged that it was additional evidence. Good thing that I did not claim that, I only noticed slaps from her and the spits and the hit from him (and I mentioned that the ESPN report said nothing about punches from her). Or are you into straw man futures? > [@Killing\_Time](#): > > You’re just being a troll and a dick now. And your retort was fucking stupid, regardless of whether you’ve “seen better” or not. Then denounce me, I think you have another thing coming to you, but it would not be the first time you show all how wrong you are. ---
**Author:** ![Killing\_Time](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/76d3ee/32.png) [@Killing\_Time](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Killing_Time)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2014, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/226 "2014-09-15T00:32:58Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > The issue of nuance has nothing to do with the fact that you are literally, actually, and repeatedly defending Rice. If you weren’t defending Rice, you would have shut up pages ago. Wrong. Again, you are failing to grasp the difference between: “He shouldn’t have spit on her and he shouldn’t have hit her, and it looks like the fight was his fault, but I don’t think it’s a certainty that he premeditatively intended to punch her hard enough to knock her out.” and… “I literally, actually, and repeatedly am defending everything Rice did.” Honestly, if you can’t grasp the difference, then you are one stupid fuck. " ---
**Author:** ![Killing\_Time](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/76d3ee/32.png) [@Killing\_Time](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Killing_Time)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2014, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/227 "2014-09-15T00:35:12Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Good thing that I did not claim that, I only assumed slaps. Or are you into straw man futures? God damn it. This is getting outright comical. Did I claim YOU said that? Does “a couple people” = “you”? I don’t think so. > [@](#): > > Then denounce me, I think you have another thing coming to you, but it would not be the first time you show all how wrong you are. Well you have to admit you’re being a dick, don’t you? ---
**Author:** ![Killing\_Time](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/76d3ee/32.png) [@Killing\_Time](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Killing_Time)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2014, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/228 "2014-09-15T00:37:33Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Nope, the dense one is you, the point was that evidence existed before this discussion, it existed independently of what your ignorance told you. > > And the fact that I found it with just a few queries at Google shows me that you had the same capability, the lesson here is that this is the 21st century and you are only demanding that we should remain ignorant to have a “good” discussion, or a nuanced one. No, I actually acknowledged the evidence as soon as you posted it. But go ahead and believe whatever you like, if that’s how you get your jollies. This has got to be the only place in the world where if one is gracious enough to acknowledge a good point that another person made, that he gets repeatedly clubbed over the head with it. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2014, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/229 "2014-09-15T00:41:12Z")
> [@Killing\_Time](#): > > God damn it. This is getting outright comical. Did I claim YOU said that? Does “a couple people” = “you”? I don’t think so. Just saying. > [@Killing\_Time](#): > > Well you have to admit you’re being a dick, don’t you? Nope, as many pointed before the problem is you not shutting up when even you acknowledge what took place. Now anyone coming back for more after what was shown is looking for something else, well so far you found discredit and ignorance; the later was cured quickly by you, but the early one remains and it gets worse the more you insist on demanding that we acknowledge a moot point and to ignore how insulting you were on your way to acknowledging that you were saying stupid things. ---
**Author:** ![Killing\_Time](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/76d3ee/32.png) [@Killing\_Time](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Killing_Time)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2014, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/230 "2014-09-15T00:42:36Z")
GigoBuster, you are the fly buzzing around IvoryTowerDenizen’s rancid twat. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2014, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/231 "2014-09-15T00:51:55Z")
> [@Killing\_Time](#): > > No, I actually acknowledged the evidence as soon as you posted it. But go ahead and believe whatever you like, if that’s how you get your jollies. > > This has got to be the only place in the world where if one is gracious enough to acknowledge a good point that another person made, that he gets repeatedly clubbed over the head with it. That is because you came later claiming that you were doing absolutely good _after it was shown that that was not the case_. Again, me and many others would not be so cock sure when in the same thread, and on the same day, we find that we missed information that was available already, that we insulted others when they showed why our logic was flawed, and that we accused the same of being trolls or assholes. Me and many others do not react well to the ones that do not see what acknowledging an error means too, the one that does the right thing and acknowledges an error also has to gracefully exit stage left… Otherwise they get rotten tomatoes thrown at, and specially in the pit. ---
**Author:** ![JackieLikesVariety](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackielikesvariety/32/296_2.png) [@JackieLikesVariety](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JackieLikesVariety)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2014, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/232 "2014-09-15T01:22:00Z")
> [@MsWhatsit](#): > > Hi, I’m MsWhatsit and this Pit thread is the first I’ve seen of this entire situation. Based entirely on the OP, yes, **The Second Stone** is a piece of shit. Based on his subsequent posts in the thread, **The Second Stone** is a HUGE piece of shit. > > To put this perhaps more eloquently, the OP had the effect of pointing to TSS’s post and saying, “Look. Look at this giant pile of shit that someone left in the middle of the sidewalk. What an asshole.” > > And then TSS came along and said, “Yeah, that’s my shit” and rubbed his face around in it a little bit and then ran around leaving his shitty face-prints all over nearby buildings and passersby. “Smell it! Smell my shit!” > > **Killing Time** is like the flies hovering nearby the pile of shit, thinking they’ve discovered something tasty when really all they’ve found is someone else’s giant pile of shit. very well put and certainly explains the smell. ---
**Author:** ![Giraffe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giraffe/32/129_2.png) [@Giraffe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffe)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2014, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/233 "2014-09-15T01:26:51Z")
Come on, people. How much more obvious does a troll have to be before you stop rising to his bait? These two posts were a pretty clear giveaway: > [@Killing\_Time](#): > > I’m confused as to your point. Are you saying that a man may _never_ hit a woman, no matter how much danger of injury or death he is in, but it’s o.k. for a woman to beat up a man as much as she likes? > [@Killing\_Time](#): > > Not to speak for others, but I think the point was that he didn’t _intend_ for her to hit her head on the railing. Are you saying Rice timed his punch perfectly and did some geometric calculations to ensure that her head would hit the railing as she fell? This is like Trolling 101 right here. Brand new poster casts about pushing buttons until he gets traction, restates others’ opinions as ludicrous extremes, posts 50+ times in 200 post thread until it’s All About Him. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2014, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/234 "2014-09-15T01:29:48Z")
> [@Giraffe](#): > > Come on, people. How much more obvious does a troll have to be before you stop rising to his bait? _hangs head_ ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2014, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/235 "2014-09-15T01:33:25Z")
> [@Giraffe](#): > > Come on, people. How much more obvious does a troll have to be before you stop rising to his bait? These two posts were a pretty clear giveaway: > > This is like Trolling 101 right here. Brand new poster casts about pushing buttons until he gets traction, restates others’ opinions as ludicrous extremes, posts 50+ times in 200 post thread until it’s All About Him. You mean he _really_ doesn’t hate me? I thought I was special. :(: ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2014, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/236 "2014-09-15T01:52:20Z")
> [@Giraffe](#): > > Come on, people. How much more obvious does a troll have to be before you stop rising to his bait? These two posts were a pretty clear giveaway: > > This is like Trolling 101 right here. Brand new poster casts about pushing buttons until he gets traction, restates others’ opinions as ludicrous extremes, posts 50+ times in 200 post thread until it’s All About Him. Bullshit! This thread is about me. Sez so right in the title. Giraffe calls me a piece of shit and how he likes the smell. > [@GIGObuster](#): > > The first spitting incident was **outside** the elevator, the ESPN reported that was also seen by the security people. > It does not work that way, we brought evidence of people seeing the punch on better quality video, and Ray confessing to the deed. There was no report of a punch from her. So your extraordinary item of her throwing a punch stills needs to be sourced. Look at the videos. In the hallway she throws a punch. In the elevator she crosses the elevator to throw another punch. Are your eyes lying to you? ---
**Author:** ![armedmonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@armedmonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/armedmonkey)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2014, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/237 "2014-09-15T01:55:06Z")
> [@The\_Second\_Stone](#): > > Look at the videos. In the hallway she throws a punch. In the elevator she crosses the elevator to throw another punch. Are your eyes lying to you? Do you honestly believed Ray Rice was acting in “self defense”? ---
**Author:** ![Killing\_Time](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/76d3ee/32.png) [@Killing\_Time](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Killing_Time)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2014, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/238 "2014-09-15T01:56:29Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > That is because you came later claiming that you were doing absolutely good _after it was shown that that was not the case_. Again, me and many others would not be so cock sure when in the same thread, and on the same day, we find that we missed information that was available already, that we insulted others when they showed why our logic was flawed, and that we accused the same of being trolls or assholes. Don’t know what you’re talking about - “claimed I was doing absolutely good”? You can’t see him making a fist in the video. Later, you showed me some evidence that suggested he probably did make a fist. I acknowledged that. Stop acting like a fucking baby with a loaded-diaper and get over it. > [@](#): > > Me and many others do not react well to the ones that do not see what acknowledging an error means too, the one that does the right thing and acknowledges an error also has to gracefully exit stage left… Oh, it’s not enough that I acknowledged the value of the evidence you posted? I’m supposed to leave the thread too? Because you say so? You mean like all the people who are claiming that his fist knocked her out, when it has been clearly shown that she hit her head on the metal rail, all left the thread? Oh wait, no they didn’t. In fact they are STILL claiming his fist knocked her out. So unlike me, who acknowledged the evidence you presented, they REFUSE to acknowledge ANY evidence, and doggedly stick to their own narrative. So you think I’M supposed to leave? FUCK THAT. > [@](#): > > Otherwise they get rotten tomatoes thrown at, and specially in the pit. Do your worst. So far, your “rotten tomato” throwing has been pretty pathetic. ---
**Author:** ![Killing\_Time](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/76d3ee/32.png) [@Killing\_Time](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Killing_Time)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2014, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/239 "2014-09-15T02:04:35Z")
> [@Giraffe](#): > > Come on, people. How much more obvious does a troll have to be before you stop rising to his bait? These two posts were a pretty clear giveaway: > > This is like Trolling 101 right here. Brand new poster casts about pushing buttons until he gets traction, restates others’ opinions as ludicrous extremes, posts 50+ times in 200 post thread until it’s All About Him. I’m just laughing my ass off that the person who started a thread JUST to call another guy a “piece of shit” for disagreeing with him, and whose very SECOND post in the thread calls ANOTHER guy “retarded” just for asking him a question, is accusing me of being a troll. Seriously, you couldn’t MAKE this shit up. ---
**Author:** ![Killing\_Time](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/76d3ee/32.png) [@Killing\_Time](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Killing_Time)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2014, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/240 "2014-09-15T02:05:41Z")
> [@JackieLikesVariety](#): > > very well put and certainly explains the smell. No, I think that’s your decaying vag. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445.md?page=13)