# The Second Stone is a piece of shit **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 14, 2014, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445 "2014-09-14T01:07:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![Giraffe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giraffe/32/129_2.png) [@Giraffe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffe)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2014, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/261 "2014-09-15T02:38:44Z")
> [@Killing\_Time](#): > > No, you’re a hypocrite for calling me a troll. Do try to follow along, please. Are you saying that no one can call you a troll? How does that even make sense? Do you expect us to know you personally based on your screen name? ---
**Author:** ![Giraffe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giraffe/32/129_2.png) [@Giraffe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffe)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2014, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/262 "2014-09-15T02:40:33Z")
> [@Killing\_Time](#): > > Anyone who doesn’t drink your Kool Aid becomes a target in this thread. You have already targeted at least 3 people simply because they suggested that maybe, just maybe, Ray Rice wasn’t out to deliver a blow with the goal of knocking his fiance out, and should be punished, but just maybe something short of life in prison. Are you saying prison time is never an acceptable punishment serious domestic abuse? What if a man beats his wife so badly that she dies, would you still maintain your objection? ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2014, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/263 "2014-09-15T02:43:25Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > Fuck, now we’re stuck with just The Second Stone. Oh, he won’t stay away. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2014, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/264 "2014-09-15T02:46:39Z")
> [@Killing\_Time](#): > > Anyone who doesn’t drink your Kool Aid becomes a target in this thread. You have already targeted at least 3 people simply because they suggested that maybe, just maybe, Ray Rice wasn’t out to deliver a blow with the goal of knocking his fiance out, and should be punished, but just maybe something short of life in prison. > > It’s only become about me because I argued back and didn’t slink away like a little pussy. Keep digging, **KT**. That’s what you’re good at. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2014, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/265 "2014-09-15T02:49:28Z")
> [@IvoryTowerDenizen](#): > > Oh, he won’t stay away. Wait, you mean he was lying about having wasted too much time already? My illusions are getting shattered like a motherfuck over here. ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2014, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/266 "2014-09-15T02:51:11Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > Wait, you mean he was lying about having wasted too much time already? My illusions are getting shattered like a motherfuck over here. I know. It’s hardest when the great ones fall. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2014, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/267 "2014-09-15T03:38:48Z")
Does anyone remember when “drinking the Kool-Aid” was edgy? Nowadays it just seems like another term for “sheeple.” ---
**Author:** ![armedmonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@armedmonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/armedmonkey)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2014, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/268 "2014-09-15T04:05:40Z")
> [@andros](#): > > Does anyone remember when “drinking the Kool-Aid” was edgy? Nowadays it just seems like another term for “sheeple.” Oddly enough, Jim Jones used Flavor Aid. Fucking cheap bastard. All those followers, and he couldn’t even afford actual Kool Aid. Seriously, that’s like having a death cult around oreos and then feeding them hydrox. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2014, 5:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/269 "2014-09-15T05:01:48Z")
> [@armedmonkey](#): > > Oddly enough, Jim Jones used Flavor Aid. Fucking cheap bastard. All those followers, and he couldn’t even afford actual Kool Aid. > > Seriously, that’s like having a death cult around oreos and then feeding them hydrox. Actually he did get Kool Aid: [http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/2412/capturept0.jpg](http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/2412/capturept0.jpg) (The video has been taken down but this screen shot is a close up of the contents of food crates that Jim Jones was showing for some documentary made before the mass suicide/murder) Now why Flavor Aid gets the sole blame? It was reported that boxes of the stuff were seen at the time of the incident but looking at what Jim Jones had makes it very likely that Kool Aid was also used as part of the deadly mix. ---
**Author:** ![armedmonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@armedmonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/armedmonkey)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2014, 5:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/270 "2014-09-15T05:39:14Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Actually he did get Kool Aid: C’mon now, we both know the bait and switch. You dangle a few boxes of grape flavored sugar packets with empty promises of an omniscient pitcher that will crash through walls and give you endless delicious refreshment, and how can people resist? Then _BAM!_, you give them something else. Classic bait and switch. L Ron Hubbard tried that with Zima. It didn’t work that well, because, well, it’s L Ron Hubbard, it’s Zima, and I just made that up. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2014, 6:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/271 "2014-09-15T06:32:19Z")
Zima! Oh, I was attempting to forget that. Just an attempt by Coors to sell piss beer in clear form. 🙂 Coors finally removed the plug in 2008! > **[The long, slow, torturous death of Zima.](https://slate.com/human-interest/2008/11/the-long-slow-torturous-death-of-zima.html)** > > There are a million ways to slight a rival's manhood, but to suggest that he enjoys Zima is one of the worst. Zima was the original "malternative"—a... ---
**Author:** ![orangeapples](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/7993a0/32.png) [@orangeapples](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/orangeapples)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2014, 8:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/272 "2014-09-15T08:12:46Z")
> [@Killing\_Time](#): > > Well, I’d love to stay and trade senseless barbs with you folks, but I’ve wasted far too much time already. Enjoy your Kool Aid! Do you own stock in Kraft Foods or something? That’s got to be at least the eighth time you mentioned Kool Aid in this thread. Did it not occur to you, like around the fifth or sixth time maybe, that you were just plain overselling it? Now I’m no marketing guru or anything like that, but I have to think reminding people of its association with Jonestown is just not gonna move product. Linking it to Ray Rice’s deplorable behavior also not terribly wise. I hope you’re not getting paid for this shoddy service to the brand. ---
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2014, 8:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/273 "2014-09-15T08:40:03Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Actually he did get Kool Aid: > > [ImageShack - Best place for all of your image hosting and image sharing needs](http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/2412/capturept0.jpg) > (The video has been taken down but this screen shot is a close up of the contents of food crates that Jim Jones was showing for some documentary made before the mass suicide/murder) > > Now why Flavor Aid gets the sole blame? It was reported that boxes of the stuff were seen at the time of the incident but looking at what Jim Jones had makes it very likely that Kool Aid was also used as part of the deadly mix. I really doubt that Jim Jones was the true origin of the phrase anyway. No doubt the Jonestown massacre popularised it, but Ken Kesey’s book _The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test_ was published in 1968, and Wilson and Shea’s trilogy _Illuminatus!_ came out in 1975, and they both described instances (real and fictional respectively) of mass dosing of people with LSD through consumption of fruit drink. Jonestown wasn’t till 1978. ---
**Author:** ![armedmonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@armedmonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/armedmonkey)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2014, 10:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/274 "2014-09-15T10:19:20Z")
> [@Princhester](#): > > I really doubt that Jim Jones was the true origin of the phrase anyway. No doubt the Jonestown massacre popularised it, but Ken Kesey’s book _The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test_ was published in 1968, and Wilson and Shea’s trilogy _Illuminatus!_ came out in 1975, and they both described instances (real and fictional respectively) of mass dosing of people with LSD through consumption of fruit drink. Jonestown wasn’t till 1978. Wait, um, an important quibble. Tom Wolfe. _The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test_ was Tom Wolfe. Granted, it’s a non-fiction book, but I don’t think you can credit the book to Ken Kesey. ---
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2014, 10:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/275 "2014-09-15T10:39:39Z")
Uh, yeah, Tom Wolfe. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2014, 1:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/276 "2014-09-15T13:19:29Z")
> [@orangeapples](#): > > Do you own stock in Kraft Foods or something? That’s got to be at least the eighth time you mentioned Kool Aid in this thread. Did it not occur to you, like around the fifth or sixth time maybe, that you were just plain overselling it? Now I’m no marketing guru or anything like that, but I have to think reminding people of its association with Jonestown is just not gonna move product. Linking it to Ray Rice’s deplorable behavior also not terribly wise. I hope you’re not getting paid for this shoddy service to the brand. It’s the latest thing: Product Placement in posts on Message Boards. Excuse me me now while I go and have an **EGGO** for breakfast. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2014, 1:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/277 "2014-09-15T13:21:21Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > It’s the latest thing: Product Placement in posts on Message Boards. Excuse me me now while I go and have an **EGGO** for breakfast. That EGGO would sure taste great with **Aunt Jemima** brand syrup, wouldn’t it? ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2014, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/278 "2014-09-15T13:56:21Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > That EGGO would sure taste great with **Aunt Jemima** brand syrup, wouldn’t it? Racist. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2014, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/279 "2014-09-15T14:17:09Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Now why Flavor Aid gets the sole blame? It was reported that boxes of the stuff were seen at the time of the incident but looking at what Jim Jones had makes it very likely that Kool Aid was also used as part of the deadly mix. It’s just a favorite thing for people to nitpick when people use the “drink the Kool-Aid” meme, even though it’s wrong. Like people who insist on “correcting” octopuses to octopi. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2014, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/280 "2014-09-15T14:28:50Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > It’s just a favorite thing for people to nitpick when people use the “drink the Kool-Aid” meme, even though it’s wrong. Like people who insist on “correcting” octopuses to octopi. Exactly. Everyone knows the correct form is “octopies”. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445.md?page=13) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445.md?page=15)