# The Second Stone is a piece of shit **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 14, 2014, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445 "2014-09-14T01:07:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 16
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2014, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/301 "2014-09-15T22:39:14Z")
> [@The\_Second\_Stone](#): > > A super duper huge giant human who eats planets? “Galactus in actuality is a sort of god. He is beyond reproach, beyond anyone’s opinion.” - Jack Kirby, co-creator of Galactus ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2014, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/302 "2014-09-15T22:43:04Z")
> [@The\_Second\_Stone](#): > > A super duper huge giant human who eats planets? He is not human. Technically he is just energy that uses a suit to contain that energy. Different species see him as looking like themselves. He was a mortal and from the previous universe and he merged with the consciousness of that universe and thus Galactus was born billions of years later after our universe came into being. My post is my cite. I have the issue with his origin hanging on my wall. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2014, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/303 "2014-09-15T22:52:11Z")
> [@Princhester](#): > > I really doubt that Jim Jones was the true origin of the phrase anyway. No doubt the Jonestown massacre popularised it, but Ken Kesey’s book _The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test_ was published in 1968, and Wilson and Shea’s trilogy _Illuminatus!_ came out in 1975, and they both described instances (real and fictional respectively) of mass dosing of people with LSD through consumption of fruit drink. Jonestown wasn’t till 1978. Jonestown certainly is the source of the phrase in its [modern meaning,](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drinking_the_Kool-Aid) which is to do or believe something damaging or dangerous because of coercion by a leader or due to peer pressure. The phrase was not used in this sense before Jonestown; the earliest cite in the Wiki article is 1982. (It has been speculated, however, that the Kesey events were why the phrase specifically refers to Kool-Aid instead of Flavor Aid, although early accounts referred to “cool aid.”) ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2014, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/304 "2014-09-15T23:36:50Z")
> [@The\_Second\_Stone](#): > > I’ve looked at every link in the thread and most don’t even go to videos. They show no spitting. I’m not saying there is spitting going on or not, but you guys are the sorts who see bigfoot in bigfoot videos that aren’t filmed by Patterson. The videos have no such detail. You are only wilfully ignoring what the reporter at ESPN found, several security people from the hotel that saw the incident in full told us that he did spit on her. That the motion of Ray at the beginning and at the elevator is one that is made while spitting could had other plausible explanations but the testimony of the employees interviewed showed why Ray was doing those motions and why his fiancée reacted… ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2014, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/305 "2014-09-15T23:45:52Z")
> [@The\_Second\_Stone](#): > > I’ve looked at every link in the thread and most don’t even go to videos. They show no spitting. I’m not saying there is spitting going on or not, but you guys are the sorts who see bigfoot in bigfoot videos that aren’t filmed by Patterson. The videos have no such detail. > > Had the man any sense, he would have never got on the elevator. But he has no sense. He bangs his brains against football players as part of his job description. ok then - on with the regularly scheduled pitting. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2014, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/306 "2014-09-16T00:09:52Z")
> [@Spice\_Weasel](#): > > “Galactus in actuality is a sort of god. He is beyond reproach, beyond anyone’s opinion.” - Jack Kirby, co-creator of Galactus He’s a giant space asshole with one and only one schtick. I believe his next round with the fans is set in the distant future with Thor. Hope Thor kicks his ass, but as a reboot is about to take place with Thor, I’m not hopeful. The rebooted Thor is slated to be a woman. This is a comic, so, of course, she will be an attractive woman. Thor as a man is an ill-tempered, dim-witted meathead. But at least we can hope that Lady Sif is not desperately pinning away for her. ---
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2014, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/307 "2014-09-16T00:14:42Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > Jonestown certainly is the source of the phrase in its [modern meaning,](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drinking_the_Kool-Aid) which is to do or believe something damaging or dangerous because of coercion by a leader or due to peer pressure. The phrase was not used in this sense before Jonestown; the earliest cite in the Wiki article is 1982. (It has been speculated, however, that the Kesey events were why the phrase specifically refers to Kool-Aid instead of Flavor Aid, although early accounts referred to “cool aid.”) I still suspect that Wolfe/Wilson/Shea would have had more to do with its current meaning than is commonly stated. One of the reasons I suspect that is that I think you have the definition quite significantly wrong. I think it means to believe something through immersion in a particular view, to the point you can no longer see the glaring problems in your position, as if you are drugged. Neither coercion by a leader nor peer pressure form any necessary (or even usual) part of it. For example, one might commonly say someone has drunk of the Truther Kool-Aid. Who is the strong co-ercive leader of the Truthers? What peer pressure is there to be a Truther? Similarly for most conspiracy theories. Jones _killed_ his followers with a drink. To have drunk of his Kool Aid is to die. Contrastingly, to have drunk the LSD-spiked Kool Aid of Tom Wolfe, or Wilson/Shea, was to participate in a group hallucination; a far, far closer analogy than anything Jones did. Anyway, this needs its own thread. ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2014, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/308 "2014-09-16T01:57:40Z")
> [@Drunky\_Smurf](#): > > He is not human. Technically he is just energy that uses a suit to contain that energy. Different species see him as looking like themselves. > > He was a mortal and from the previous universe and he merged with the consciousness of that universe and thus Galactus was born billions of years later after our universe came into being. > > My post is my cite. I have the issue with his origin hanging on my wall. I came back to say this. [I have a cite.](http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=1311352104085874800&page=0) ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2014, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/309 "2014-09-16T02:43:45Z")
> [@Princhester](#): > > I still suspect that Wolfe/Wilson/Shea would have had more to do with its current meaning than is commonly stated. One of the reasons I suspect that is that I think you have the definition quite significantly wrong. I don’t think so, in particular since the meaning you suggest is not supported by any of the early cites of the phrases’s use. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2014, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/310 "2014-09-16T03:16:21Z")
> [@The\_Second\_Stone](#): > > Giraffe started his own message board to post insults more freely, and, of course, porn. Buncha wankers. They temporarily stop posting privileges, called “boxing” for being put in the box, just for shits and giggle. I still visit once in a while. Cuz they have great porn. Have I mentioned the porn? [Moderating] Keep your fights with other message boards on those other message boards. Don’t drag it over here. [/Moderating] ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2014, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/311 "2014-09-16T17:02:42Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > Jonestown certainly is the source of the phrase in its [modern meaning,](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drinking_the_Kool-Aid) which is to do or believe something damaging or dangerous because of coercion by a leader or due to peer pressure. The phrase was not used in this sense before Jonestown; the earliest cite in the Wiki article is 1982. (It has been speculated, however, that the Kesey events were why the phrase specifically refers to Kool-Aid instead of Flavor Aid, although early accounts referred to “cool aid.”) Yeah, but that was Electric Kool-Aid! And the Acid wasn’t battery acid. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445.md?page=15)