# The Second Stone is a piece of shit **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 14, 2014, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445 "2014-09-14T01:07:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2014, 5:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/41 "2014-09-14T05:25:24Z")
> [@The\_Second\_Stone](#): > > Perhaps, if that is the case, they should not have entered the elevator together. He did follow her to spat on her face again, I think she was experting that slap to be the end of it, but she was wrong. > **[Horrific Footage Of Ray Rice Punching Fiancée Leaks](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/ray-rice-punch-video_n_5783380)** > > Horrific Footage Of Ray Rice Punching Fiancée Leaks > [@The\_Second\_Stone](#): > > And it puts him in a worse light and spitting itself would be convictable. I’ve seen the elevator inside video, and her unconscious on the outside of it. I haven’t seen the spitting or heard about it before your post. Of, course. But here you should realize that many that are coming here and arrived to the opposite of what you are concluding were not retarded, just more informed; it seems to me that many had seen videos with more footage and were appalled and against Ray. And it should had been a big clue x4 that you are wrong and this is not an ad populum argument. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2014, 5:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/42 "2014-09-14T05:30:43Z")
It’s really quite incredible that **The Second Stone** is so hyper-sensitive about wrongs done to Palestinians, while being utterly asinine about those done to women. I’m very glad I don’t know this asshole in real life, since it really appears he’s mentally defective in a variety of very unpleasant ways. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2014, 5:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/43 "2014-09-14T05:33:23Z")
How many times does Ray Rice just happen to bump her unconscious body with his feet, on top of everything? For an athlete, he seems to have real difficulty knowing where his feet are, what with the nearly kicking her again and again and again. He steps over and around her like she’s a bathmat. ---
**Author:** ![Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heffalump_and_roo/32/7691_2.png) [@Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Heffalump_and_Roo)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2014, 5:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/44 "2014-09-14T05:42:46Z")
> [@Giraffe](#): > > Are you retarded? Seriously, I think there’s something wrong with you. So, basically. . . no u, then? > [@Giraffe](#): > > You said, and I quote: > > Let’s just take a moment and marvel at that charming little insight, shall we? In your world, she was in the wrong, not him. She hit him first, after all. You do realize that this is crazy-person logic, right? Most people over the age of seven understand the concept of reasonable levels of response. Just because your partner is behaving badly doesn’t give you license to knock them unconscious. (I seriously can’t believe I’m typing this out.) I’m mildly terrified for anyone you end up with if you need this explained to you. Yeah, that’s not what he’s saying. But if that’s the scenario you’re painting, then anyone who defends Ray Rice for any part of that incident is in the same boat as **The Second Stone** , yes? Because Ray Rice could have NO justification for what he did, given your scenario. Anyone putting up an OP about Ray Rice regarding that incident is putting up RO because there’s only one side of that story. I’m just trying to clarify why you picked out **The Second Stone** for this Pitting. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2014, 5:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/45 "2014-09-14T05:42:49Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > I think having the opinion that a 200+ pound pro football player is ever justified cold cocking the woman he loves after no _real_ physical provocation makes you a real shitty person. Believing it’s not so bad when a man knocks a woman out as long as he doesn’t put his full weight behind the punch makes you a real shitty person. If after watching that video, you still think what he used was “reasonable force” to stop a small woman with a purse in one hand from swatting at him, you are a shitty person. If after watching that video you think she was the real aggressor (RR corners her in the elevator and fucking swats or spits at her at the :25 mark), you are a shitty person. > > Giraffe posting all of your quotes from that other thread confirm that, yes, you are a shitty person. And I do think that having an opinion in defense of a heinous action _can_ make you worse than the person/people who commit the heinous action. Why? Because a vigorous public defense of a heinous action can lead to more people committing said heinous action. So best-case scenario you’re _as shitty as_ Ray Rice. Yay. > > That sound you hear? It’s the Internet laughing at you. Giraffe is not someone I take seriously. Nor you for that matter. You think a person is shitty, as a person overall, for having an opinion you disagree with strongly? Okay. I think that says a lot more about you than it does me. And you’re name calling and judging someone on a disagreement about the interpretation of a video also says more about you than I imagine you would like. So get up from your computer, go look in the mirror and say “I called a person a shitty human being, as shitty as a wife beater, not for hitting anyone, but for having an opinion that a particular incident caught on videotape was not as clear-cut as popular opinion would have it. That opinion makes him shitty and worthless as a human being, and I am proud to have said these things about another human being I have never met or seen any of the good things he does.” You are welcome to hold that viewpoint. It is a free country. But again, it says more about you than it does about me. Clearly, you have problems relating to other people, but I don’t think that makes you a shitty human being on balance. I don’t even know you. Nor have you posted anything that would lead me to believe that I would like to know you or that anyone would benefit from knowing you. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2014, 5:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/46 "2014-09-14T05:48:06Z")
> [@Heffalump\_and\_Roo](#): > > I’m just trying to clarify why you picked out **The Second Stone** for this Pitting. I’m a solipsist and Giraffe has known this for a long time. Everything in the whole universe is a manifestation of my consciousness, including Giraffe. And Ray Rice and his lovely wife. It all comes back to me. So Giraffe has no choice but to follow me around the internet and attack my weakest arguments because they are the low hanging fruit. Kinda odd for a Giraffe to go after the low hanging fruit, isn’t it? Not when you consider that he really isn’t a Giraffe at all, but a figment of my imagination, and that I am one lazy, lazy bastard. Having an opinion after seeing a video five times and all. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2014, 5:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/47 "2014-09-14T05:50:00Z")
> [@The\_Second\_Stone](#): > > You think a person is shitty, as a person overall, for having an opinion you disagree with strongly? This always makes me laugh. As if a person’s opinions don’t color everything about them. Racism, sexism, endorsement and approbation for genocide, these are all opinions for which people should be judged. Ray Rice might at least have been in the heat of a moment. You are calmly, coolly, and deliberately justifying and endorsing domestic violence. Yeah, that makes you a shitty person. ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2014, 5:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/48 "2014-09-14T05:50:10Z")
> [@Giraffe](#): > > **The Second Stone** , when you find yourself typing out all these posts to fervently defend a man who knocked his fiance unconscious, it might be time to reevaluate your priorities. Or, barring that, get a tattoo on your forehead that says “irredeemable piece of shit” so people have fair warning to stay far away from you. No tattoo needed. He already has the flies and the stench to warn people. ---
**Author:** ![Mosier](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ea924/32.png) [@Mosier](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mosier)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2014, 5:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/49 "2014-09-14T05:51:50Z")
She pushed him away and went to the elevator by herself. He followed her in. The video quality is bad, but it looks like he slaps or punches her, and she shoves him away again, and yells at him with her hands not even raised. The only time he “retreated” was to take a step back to get enough space for maximum effectiveness from the left hook. Literally every moment leading up to this, he was either aggressively advancing on her, or actively attacking her. For anyone to call this self defense is just out of line. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2014, 5:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/50 "2014-09-14T05:52:53Z")
> [@cochrane](#): > > No tattoo needed. He already has the flies and the stench to warn people. See Giraffe, another person disagrees with your preposterous demand that people you hate should be tattooed so that you and your ilk can identify them. And I assure all of you, that I have less flies and stench than any Giraffe in the entire world. ---
**Author:** ![Grumman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/43a26b/32.png) [@Grumman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grumman)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2014, 5:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/51 "2014-09-14T05:54:53Z")
> [@LavenderBlue](#): > > Hey my three old hit me today. Obviously I should have smacked her rather than putting her in a time out for a few minutes. So you’re saying that we should treat violent, adult women as if they are children? That’s not offensive _at all_. :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Killing\_Time](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/76d3ee/32.png) [@Killing\_Time](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Killing_Time)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2014, 5:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/52 "2014-09-14T05:55:33Z")
> [@Giraffe](#): > > Are you retarded? Seriously, I think there’s something wrong with you. Strong comeback. Very well played. Why answer the question when you can hurl insults? Pure genius. ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2014, 5:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/53 "2014-09-14T05:57:07Z")
> [@The\_Second\_Stone](#): > > See Giraffe, another person disagrees with your preposterous demand that people you hate should be tattooed so that you and your ilk can identify them. And I assure all of you, that I have less flies and stench than any Giraffe in the entire world. I agree with **Giraffe** that you’re a piece of shit. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2014, 5:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/54 "2014-09-14T05:58:15Z")
> [@Mosier](#): > > The only time he “retreated” was to take a step back to get enough space for maximum effectiveness from the left hook. That is how you saw it. I did not see him wind up to a punch, lean into a punch, put his weight behind a punch or punch through her. I see his fist go out and hit her. I do not see him put maximum effectiveness into it, which in a man of his size and conditioning, could have easily broken bones and killed her. I don’t see a desire for “maximum effectiveness”, but what must be for a top trained athlete, an effort that might be restrained. I don’t think that you make your best case when you say it was for “maximum effectiveness”. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2014, 6:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/55 "2014-09-14T06:00:44Z")
> [@cochrane](#): > > I agree with **Giraffe** that you’re a piece of shit. Well, then you are no better or worse than Giraffe. You are a cantankerous human being that believes people who they disagree with should be tattooed with information so that they can be sorted out and dealt with. ---
**Author:** ![zweisamkeit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zweisamkeit/32/4360_2.png) [@zweisamkeit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zweisamkeit)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2014, 6:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/56 "2014-09-14T06:00:47Z")
On a specific note, I raised my eyebrows at this: > [@](#): > > I’d like to think that I’d maybe push her away and wouldn’t do this, but I wasn’t there.\*\* He hit her **after being attacked a couple of times.** Not hard. She was knocked unconscious\*\*. … Yeeeeeaaaahhh, no. Head trauma that leads to unconsciousness is very serious and can result in serious injury or death. Especially amusing (in a dark way) with the huge focus on _head injuries in the NFL_ as of late. ---
**Author:** ![Sitnam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Sitnam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sitnam)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2014, 6:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/57 "2014-09-14T06:04:37Z")
Wow. I have not seen a beating like this since…well, you know. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2014, 6:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/58 "2014-09-14T06:04:46Z")
> [@cochrane](#): > > I agree with **Giraffe** that you’re a piece of shit. He’s a jerk and an idiot and, apparently, either high or drunk (I think I would have noticed this much incoherent inanity before if it were the norm). But I think it’s unwise to act like he’s that much of an outlier. Go look at stories of Ravens’ fans defending Rice. He’s not alone. I suspect he’s an MRA cretin and, sadly, he’s not alone in that, either. ---
**Author:** ![Giraffe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giraffe/32/129_2.png) [@Giraffe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffe)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2014, 6:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/59 "2014-09-14T06:09:25Z")
> [@Killing\_Time](#): > > Strong comeback. Very well played. Why answer the question when you can hurl insults? Pure genius. Because the “questions” were idiotic and I had some free time? ---
**Author:** ![Killing\_Time](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/76d3ee/32.png) [@Killing\_Time](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Killing_Time)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2014, 6:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/60 "2014-09-14T06:15:57Z")
> [@Giraffe](#): > > Because the “questions” were idiotic and I had some free time? Well you obviously have a lot of free time, but the “question” from Heffalump was this: > [@](#): > > Are you Pitting The Second Stone because he represents anyone who defends Ray Rice just on the principle that anyone who defends Ray Rice is an “irredeemable piece of shit”? > > Or is it because The Second Stone stopped to explain his opinion several times? > > Or something else? That’s actually a pretty lucid question. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445.md?page=4)