# The Second Stone is a piece of shit **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 14, 2014, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445 "2014-09-14T01:07:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2014, 6:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/61 "2014-09-14T06:21:50Z")
> [@zweisamkeit](#): > > On a specific note, I raised my eyebrows at this: > > … Yeeeeeaaaahhh, no. Head trauma that leads to unconsciousness is very serious and can result in serious injury or death. > > Especially amusing (in a dark way) with the huge focus on _head injuries in the NFL_ as of late. Any trauma to the head can cause a concussion. All concussions are serious medical conditions and can cause long term neurological damage if not properly treated, and for all neurologists know, maybe even if properly treated. You would thank that a 5 mph car crash would be harmless to virtually everyone involved in all circumstances. You would be wrong. You can have serious injury and even death in a low speed collision. General Patton died as the result of a very low speed collision, and serious injury is common in low speed impacts. The original question is whether Mr. Rice should have thrown a punch. Some say no, not under the circumstances here and there is no question over which reasonable people may differ. Others, like me, say it isn’t that clear-cut, look at the video. Does he have a right to punch in self-defense? One side says under no circumstances may a man defend himself against a woman, including this incident. I disagree. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2014, 6:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/62 "2014-09-14T06:22:27Z")
> [@Killing\_Time](#): > > That’s actually a pretty lucid question. Sure, if by “lucid” you mean “didn’t hit the broad sign of a barn.” Which isn’t generally what I mean by lucid, but I’m no prescriptivist! ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2014, 6:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/63 "2014-09-14T06:24:30Z")
> [@Killing\_Time](#): > > Well you obviously have a lot of free time, but the “question” from Heffalump was this: > > That’s actually a pretty lucid question. He’s a Giraffe that can type, form sentences and surf the internet. That is amazing all by itself. That you expect him to not be full of bullshit and do better than fling poo like a zoo monkey kind of misses the point that HE’S A TALKING GIRAFFE!!! ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2014, 6:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/64 "2014-09-14T06:28:07Z")
> [@The\_Second\_Stone](#): > > Well, then you are no better or worse than Giraffe. You are a cantankerous human being that believes people who they disagree with should be tattooed with information so that they can be sorted out and dealt with. Now you’re contradicting yourself. You don’t need a tattoo. You have flies following you and you smell like shit. What else do you need? ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2014, 6:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/65 "2014-09-14T06:28:22Z")
> [@The\_Second\_Stone](#): > > He’s a Giraffe that can type, form sentences and surf the internet. That is amazing all by itself. That you expect him to not be full of bullshit and do better than fling poo like a zoo monkey kind of misses the point that HE’S A TALKING GIRAFFE!!! Aw, you’re trying real hard, aren’t you? ---
**Author:** ![Killing\_Time](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/76d3ee/32.png) [@Killing\_Time](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Killing_Time)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2014, 6:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/66 "2014-09-14T06:58:34Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > Sure, if by “lucid” you mean “didn’t hit the broad sign of a barn.” > > Which isn’t generally what I mean by lucid, but I’m no prescriptivist! Uh, “didn’t hit the broad sign of a barn” is not an expression, but thanks for the nonsensical collection of words. It doesn’t surprise me that you don’t grasp what “lucid” means. Or maybe you’re attempting to be clever by garbling the expression on purpose? I don’t know and I don’t care. Either way, a complete fail. ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2014, 7:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/67 "2014-09-14T07:36:36Z")
> [@Killing\_Time](#): > > Uh, “didn’t hit the broad sign of a barn” is not an expression, but thanks for the nonsensical collection of words. It doesn’t surprise me that you don’t grasp what “lucid” means. Or maybe you’re attempting to be clever by garbling the expression on purpose? I don’t know and I don’t care. Either way, a complete fail. \*\*can’t hit the broad side of a barn Have very poor aim. For example, That rookie can’t hit the broad side of a barn, let alone strike anyone out or, as put in The New Republic (February 19, 1990): “Their missiles couldn’t hit the broad side of a barn.” This hyperbolic term, dating from the mid-1800s, at first denoted poor marksmanship. Around 1900 it also began to be used in baseball, for a pitcher with poor aim.\*\* But thanks for playing. Another piece of shit for the price of one pitting. ---
**Author:** ![naita](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naita/32/5862_2.png) [@naita](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/naita)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2014, 8:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/68 "2014-09-14T08:12:25Z")
> [@Killing\_Time](#): > > Uh, “didn’t hit the broad sign of a barn” is not an expression, but thanks for the nonsensical collection of words. It doesn’t surprise me that you don’t grasp what “lucid” means. Or maybe you’re attempting to be clever by garbling the expression on purpose? I don’t know and I don’t care. Either way, a complete fail. Or a typo, possibly from typing on a phone. Hmm, which could it be. Oh, and based on the particular opinion shown in the OP, TSS is indeed a piece of shit in my judgement as well. Self-defence should involve a proportional response. ---
**Author:** ![Killing\_Time](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/76d3ee/32.png) [@Killing\_Time](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Killing_Time)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2014, 9:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/69 "2014-09-14T09:10:58Z")
> [@cochrane](#): > > \*\*can’t hit the broad side of a barn > > Have very poor aim. For example, That rookie can’t hit the broad side of a barn, let alone strike anyone out or, as put in The New Republic (February 19, 1990): “Their missiles couldn’t hit the broad side of a barn.” This hyperbolic term, dating from the mid-1800s, at first denoted poor marksmanship. Around 1900 it also began to be used in baseball, for a pitcher with poor aim.\*\* > > But thanks for playing. Another piece of shit for the price of one pitting. Um, did she write “Can’t hit the broad side of a barn”? 'Cuz I’m pretty sure it was “didn’t hit the broad sign of a barn”, which, AGAIN, is not an expression. And even if she HAD used the expression correctly, it refers to aim, not to whether a question does or does not make sense. But thanks for playing. Loser. ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2014, 9:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/70 "2014-09-14T09:14:08Z")
> [@Killing\_Time](#): > > Um, did she write “Can’t hit the broad side of a barn”? 'Cuz I’m pretty sure it was “didn’t hit the broad sign of a barn”, which, AGAIN, is not an expression. > > But thanks for playing. Loser. Can’t hit the broad side of a barn, didn’t hit the broad side of a barn, what’s the fucking difference? If you aimed for the broad side of the barn and missed, you didn’t hit it. Past tense, troll. ---
**Author:** ![Killing\_Time](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/76d3ee/32.png) [@Killing\_Time](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Killing_Time)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2014, 9:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/71 "2014-09-14T09:19:18Z")
“That pitcher couldn’t hit the broad side of a barn.” \< - makes sense “That question didn’t hit the broad side of a barn.” \<- nonsensical ---
**Author:** ![Killing\_Time](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/76d3ee/32.png) [@Killing\_Time](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Killing_Time)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2014, 9:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/72 "2014-09-14T09:20:18Z")
> [@cochrane](#): > > Can’t hit the broad side of a barn, didn’t hit the broad side of a barn, what’s the fucking difference? If you aimed for the broad side of the barn and missed, you didn’t hit it. Past tense, troll. Oh, you called me a troll, so I guess you win. :dubious: The difference is English vs. random collection of words. ---
**Author:** ![Killing\_Time](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/76d3ee/32.png) [@Killing\_Time](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Killing_Time)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2014, 9:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/73 "2014-09-14T09:22:46Z")
> [@cochrane](#): > > Now you’re contradicting yourself. You don’t need a tattoo. You have flies following you and you smell like shit. What else do you need? So clever. Think that up in 3rd grade, did you? ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2014, 9:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/74 "2014-09-14T09:39:47Z")
> [@Killing\_Time](#): > > So clever. Think that up in 3rd grade, did you? Yup. Too bad you never got that far. ---
**Author:** ![naita](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naita/32/5862_2.png) [@naita](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/naita)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2014, 9:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/75 "2014-09-14T09:57:26Z")
> [@The\_Second\_Stone](#): > > The original question is whether Mr. Rice should have thrown a punch. Some say no, not under the circumstances here and there is no question over which reasonable people may differ. Others, like me, say it isn’t that clear-cut, look at the video. Does he have a right to punch in self-defense? **One side says under no circumstances may a man defend himself against a woman** , including this incident. I disagree. Complete and utter bullshit, fashioned into a mannequin. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2014, 10:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/76 "2014-09-14T10:54:14Z")
The video was too jerky for me to see the punch, but what struck me was the callous way Rice drags his fiancée out of the elevator and drops her face-first. Even if the punch was in “self-defense”, the treatment while she was knocked out was disgusting. But I want to Pit **Second Stone** – for having a user-name too similar to **Sam Stone**. That latter Stone is the one I want to Pit. (Hey Sam! When are you going to publish your astounding result that market forces can defeat Braess’ Paradox? I challenged you to Put up or Shut up; did you choose Shut up? What a pretentious twit.) ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2014, 12:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/77 "2014-09-14T12:45:53Z")
> [@The\_Second\_Stone](#): > > Giraffe is not someone I take seriously. Nor you for that matter. > > You think a person is shitty, as a person overall, for having an opinion you disagree with strongly? Okay. I think that says a lot more about you than it does me. I think it says more about your reading comprehension than anything. My dad holds numerous opinions I disagree with, and I don’t think he’s a shitty person. A lot of people do, but I don’t think they’re shitty people. You think a grown man is justified in knocking his fiance out with little to no provocation. That’s what makes me question your character. > [@](#): > > And you’re name calling and judging someone on a disagreement about the interpretation of a video also says more about you than I imagine you would like. Perhaps if the Ray Rice video in question were game footage, and we were debating whether or not he stepped out of bounds at the 7, you’d have a point. > [@](#): > > So get up from your computer, go look in the mirror and say "I called a person a shitty human being, as shitty as a wife beater, not for hitting anyone, but for having an opinion that a particular incident caught on videotape was not as clear-cut as popular opinion would have it. That opinion makes him shitty and worthless as a human being, ‘Worthless’ is your word, not mine. > [@](#): > > and I am proud to have said these things about another human being I have never met or seen any of the good things he does." Honestly, it sounds like your trying to convince yourself of something here, not me. > [@](#): > > You are welcome to hold that viewpoint. It is a free country. But again, it says more about you than it does about me. > > Clearly, you have problems relating to other people, but I don’t think that makes you a shitty human being on balance. I don’t even know you. Nor have you posted anything that would lead me to believe that I would like to know you or that anyone would benefit from knowing you. Honestly, I do apologize for calling you a shitty person. I have no recollection of ever encountering you outside this Pitting, so I don’t know you more than what you posted in that other thread and this one. These posts of yours about Ray Rice though? Well, you’re _acting_ like a shitty person. Continuing to vociferously defend a huge man who knocked out an unarmed woman that was swatting at him in self-defense with one arm is a shitty thing to do; it doesn’t say much about your character. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2014, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/78 "2014-09-14T14:14:12Z")
> [@The\_Second\_Stone](#): > > You do not corner an attacked living thing and attack. It is most unwise. It cannot flee. It can do nothing, it can show submission or it can fight. The most likely outcome is to fight. I think Ray Rice is an asshole, but at least I recognize that he’s human. You call him an “it” a “living thing” incapable of thought and reflection, reacting only by instinct? > [@jsgoddess](#): > > Are you high? Yes. And I’ll tell ya, it creeps me the fuck out that you can tell. :eek: GET OUTA MY HEAD!!! ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2014, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/79 "2014-09-14T14:27:29Z")
> [@The\_Second\_Stone](#): > > You think a person is shitty, as a person overall, for having an opinion you disagree with strongly? Huh. Shitty and dishonest. What a twofer. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2014, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/80 "2014-09-14T14:38:23Z")
**The First Stone** was a lot better. I miss him. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445.md?page=5)