# The Second Stone is a piece of shit **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 14, 2014, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445 "2014-09-14T01:07:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2014, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/101 "2014-09-14T19:03:35Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > If cold-cocking someone is an appropriate response to a slap, then certainly the appropriate response to rocket attacks would be dropping a nuke. Well played. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2014, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/102 "2014-09-14T19:08:40Z")
This dude fails on the most obvious test: if you have to precede your remarks with caveats like, “Now, I’m not racist, but…” then everyone knows that something really offensive is about to be said. How many times in these threads has **The Second Stone** had to say, “Now, I don’t support domestic violence, but…”? The only thing more stupid about him than his pro-knocking women out views is his admission that he thinks the whole universe revolves around him, and that we are just figments of his imagination. The evidence is in, and the jury finds **TSS** to be a seriously major league asshole. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2014, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/103 "2014-09-14T19:13:14Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > If cold-cocking someone is an appropriate response to a slap, then certainly the appropriate response to rocket attacks would be dropping a nuke. > **[Shocking moment a woman is ferociously attacked by a CAT](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2525632/Woman-mauled-CAT-speaks-ferocious-strays-defense.html)** > > The shocking Michigan attack was captured by a surveillance camera and uploaded to YouTube, where the mauiling was watched a million times in a day. Cornered animals sometimes attack. They run, submit, take it, or fight. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2014, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/104 "2014-09-14T19:18:15Z")
> [@The\_Second\_Stone](#): > > … > > Yeah, he’s a turd for leaving her in the elevator like that. But he is just defending himself. > > … He didn’t leave her in the elevator. He lovingly dragged her limp, unconscious body out, and dropped her on her face. ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2014, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/105 "2014-09-14T19:22:36Z")
> [@The\_Second\_Stone](#): > > So she is a liar too? Despite the fact that the video shows she was telling the truth? And I never accused her of being a piece of shit. She punched him for a reason, maybe that he had earlier punched her. Maybe, as some here have postulated, because he spit on her. Neither is an excuse for violence. Or so you all have said. Violence leads to more violence. > > Here is what violence does: [Woman mauled by CAT speaks out in ferocious stray's defense | Daily Mail Online](http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2525632/Woman-mauled-CAT-speaks-ferocious-strays-defense.html) Since you have admitted to trolling, > [@](#): > > (And I was just messing with you on the “time out” unconsciousness thing.) I am not taking anything else you have to say seriously. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2014, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/106 "2014-09-14T19:34:07Z")
> [@The\_Second\_Stone](#): > > Cornered animals sometimes attack. They run, submit, take it, or fight. You’re saying Rice is an animal? What a racist! ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2014, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/107 "2014-09-14T19:37:30Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > You’re saying Rice is an animal? What a racist! We are all animals. Except LavenderBlue, she is a plant. A lavender plant. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2014, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/108 "2014-09-14T19:44:29Z")
> [@The\_Second\_Stone](#): > > Well, I’ve asked several times for cites to the allegations of spitting. Silence. Does your solipsism includes then lying to yourself? I already linked to the longer video that shows how he was next to a pilar and make the spitting motion before she slapped him. And no. I did not imagine that: > **[OTL: Sources say Ray Rice spat at fiancee](https://www.espn.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/11503496/ray-rice-spat-face-fiancee-twice-punch-lines-reports)** > > Ray Rice spat in the face of Janay Palmer the night he punched her in a hotel elevator, one current and one former security staffer at the Revel hotel told "Outside the Lines." > [@](#): > > Ray Rice spat in the face of Janay Palmer the night he punched her in a hotel elevator, one current and one former security staffer at the Revel hotel told “Outside the Lines.” > > Three current or former security staffers, who spoke with “Outside the Lines” this week on the condition of anonymity, described additional details of the ugly scene captured on video. Two of the men were on duty the night of the assault, while a third had full access to the security video, which he said he has watched dozens of times. [TMZSports.com](http://TMZSports.com) released a video this week that showed Rice punching Palmer in the face, appearing to knock her unconscious. Revel security workers watched the incident from the operations room through a security camera of the elevator. > > One former staffer said Rice, the former Baltimore Ravens running back, spat in his then-fiancée’s face twice, “once outside the elevator and once inside,” prompting her to retaliate with movements that were ultimately countered with a knockout punch. > [@The\_Second\_Stone](#): > > That might change my mind. I’ve looked in the articles I’ve read, and watched the videos, and see no evidence of spitting. That might change my mind. Probably would. I think you are lying about looking properly for the articles and about what would change your mind. > [@The\_Second\_Stone](#): > > But my requests for citations are met with silence. Are you guys making this allegation up? No, it was made by looking at the video and looking for what the staffers reported. As was pointed before, it is you who is wilfully ignoring the evidence. ---
**Author:** ![joyfool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/df788c/32.png) [@joyfool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joyfool)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2014, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/109 "2014-09-14T19:49:26Z")
> [@cochrane](#): > > No, that makes her a woman in denial, thus fully human. I feel sorry for her. I think she is far from a piece of shit, just a scared, battered woman. Or she’s scared shitless. If I had a significant other that would cold-cock me and then hoist me around like a sack of potatoes, I’d pretty much say damn well anything he wanted me to. You poop rainbows and puppies? Sure, honey, you betcha. I’ll back up that claim on national TV or a court of law, whatever you need, He Man. Just please don’t hit me no more. ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2014, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/110 "2014-09-14T19:55:50Z")
> [@faithfool](#): > > Or she’s scared shitless. If I had a significant other that would cold-cock me and then hoist me around like a sack of potatoes, I’d pretty much say damn well anything he wanted me to. You poop rainbows and puppies? Sure, honey, you betcha. I’ll back up that claim on national TV or a court of law, whatever you need, He Man. Just please don’t hit me no more. Or hit my children. ---
**Author:** ![blindboyard](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blindboyard/32/2833_2.png) [@blindboyard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blindboyard)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2014, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/111 "2014-09-14T19:56:54Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > My personal favorite is “he extended his fist.” Just standing there, minding his own business, with his fist extended and she hit it. With her face. Judging by the video most of the kinetic energy did come from her lunge, rather than him swinging his fist. It was a weak jab, left-handed, as she lunged into him. > [@Colibri](#): > > It’s really quite incredible that **The Second Stone** is so hyper-sensitive about wrongs done to Palestinians, while being utterly asinine about those done to women. > > I’m very glad I don’t know this asshole in real life, since it really appears he’s mentally defective in a variety of very unpleasant ways. Sensitive to men _and_ Palestinians? How can this be? What’s next? Syrian Christians?\* The poor?\* > [@jsgoddess](#): > > How many times does Ray Rice just happen to bump her unconscious body with his feet, on top of everything? For an athlete, he seems to have real difficulty knowing where his feet are, what with the nearly kicking her again and again and again. He steps over and around her like she’s a bathmat. You’re using your bathmat incorrectly. It is meant to be stepped on. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2014, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/112 "2014-09-14T20:07:01Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Does your solipsism includes then lying to yourself? > > I already linked to the longer video that shows how he was next to a pilar and make the spitting motion before she slapped him. > > And no. I did not imagine that: > > [Ray Rice spat in face of fiancee twice before punch, Outside The Lines reports - ESPN](http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/11503496/ray-rice-spat-face-fiancee-twice-punch-lines-reports) > > I think you are lying about looking properly for the articles and about what would change your mind. > No, it was made by looking at the video and looking for what the staffers reported. As was pointed before, it is you who is wilfully ignoring the evidence. I’ve looked at your articles. If I knew who said they witnessed spitting, where and under what circumstances that would be better. The links you have are reported on the internet and are not sourced to anyone, nor stated as to whether it was in the elevator or where. I didn’t see it in the video. Doesn’t mean it wasn’t caught, but I am not yet going to call this reliable. It’s an internet rumor. The video isn’t. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2014, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/113 "2014-09-14T20:09:51Z")
> [@blindboyard](#): > > Sensitive to men _and_ Palestinians? How can this be? What’s next? Syrian Christians?\* The poor?\* You make me out to be some sort of monster. I hate poor people just like everyone else in America who thinks they are still middle class. ---
**Author:** ![Killing\_Time](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/76d3ee/32.png) [@Killing\_Time](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Killing_Time)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2014, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/114 "2014-09-14T20:13:27Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > I’m beginning to think you can’t even _find_ the barn. Says the one who doesn’t understand how English works.😛 ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2014, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/115 "2014-09-14T20:21:23Z")
> [@The\_Second\_Stone](#): > > I’ve looked at your articles. If I knew who said they witnessed spitting, where and under what circumstances that would be better. The links you have are reported on the internet and are not sourced to anyone, nor stated as to whether it was in the elevator or where. I didn’t see it in the video. Doesn’t mean it wasn’t caught, but I am not yet going to call this reliable. It’s an internet rumor. The video isn’t. And even if he did it, she probably started it earlier than the video began, possibly by being born. ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2014, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/116 "2014-09-14T20:24:03Z")
> [@blindboyard](#): > > Judging by the video most of the kinetic energy did come from her lunge, rather than him swinging his fist. It was a weak jab, left-handed, as she lunged into him. “And then he ran into my knife. He ran into my knife TEN TIMES.” ---
**Author:** ![VarlosZ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d78d45/32.png) [@VarlosZ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VarlosZ)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2014, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/117 "2014-09-14T20:28:24Z")
> [@blindboyard](#): > > Judging by the video most of the kinetic energy did come from her lunge, rather than him swinging his fist. It was a weak jab, left-handed, as she lunged into him. Yeah, this was indescribably stupid. ---
**Author:** ![Killing\_Time](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/76d3ee/32.png) [@Killing\_Time](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Killing_Time)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2014, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/118 "2014-09-14T20:34:45Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Does your solipsism includes then lying to yourself? > > I already linked to the longer video that shows how he was next to a pilar and make the spitting motion before she slapped him. > > And no. I did not imagine that: > > [http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/\_/](http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/)…-lines-reports Thanks for that. First time I’ve seen it. I think that changes a lot. That means HE started the fight, and her slapping him was a natural reaction to being spat on. The only think I’m not sure I agree with is that the article calls it a “knockout punch”, but later says she hit her head on the railing inside the elevator. It seems much more likely that the punch merely made her fall backwards, and the subsequent blow to the head knocked her unconscious. Not that he doesn’t bear responsibility for that, of course - but I’m having a hard time believing that he formed the intent to deliver a punch that would knock her out, as so many people seem to believe. He probably was just reacting to the situation, albeit a situation that it now appears he may have brought on himself. ---
**Author:** ![Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heffalump_and_roo/32/7691_2.png) [@Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Heffalump_and_Roo)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2014, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/119 "2014-09-14T20:35:59Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > I already linked to the longer video that shows how he was next to a pilar and make the spitting motion before she slapped him. > > And no. I did not imagine that: > > [Ray Rice spat in face of fiancee twice before punch, Outside The Lines reports - ESPN](http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/11503496/ray-rice-spat-face-fiancee-twice-punch-lines-reports) > > I think you are lying about looking properly for the articles and about what would change your mind. > > No, it was made by looking at the video and looking for what the staffers reported. As was pointed before, it is you who is wilfully ignoring the evidence. OK, I’m out. I hadn’t seen this article before. If the OP had linked this article and pointed out that **The Second Stone** ’s account doesn’t seem to match it, I wouldn’t have questioned why **The Second Stone** was being Pitted. My only question was about why **The Second Stone** was singled out since other people had also defended Ray Rice. I don’t have enough information to really give an informed opinion about the whole Ray Rice incident. I just saw the video and saw people interpreting from that. That said, I did a 2 second search for articles after I saw this article and found a bit of conflicting information, IMO. [From CNN](http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/09/us/ray-rice-nfl-janay-rice/index.html): > [@](#): > > There’s no sound in the video posted by TMZ this week. > > However, The Associated Press reported Tuesday that the news organization has viewed a longer, “higher-quality” video with audio given to it by an anonymous source that shows the couple yelling obscenities at each other in the elevator. > > In the video AP viewed, she spits on him, and he punches her, the story said. > > “Rice made no attempt to cover up the incident,” the AP reported. > > After Janay Rice collapses, Ray Rice appears to pull her out of the elevator and is met by hotel staff, according to the AP. > > One of the staffers can be heard saying, “She’s drunk, right?” and then, “No cops.” ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2014, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/120 "2014-09-14T20:36:32Z")
> [@The\_Second\_Stone](#): > > I’ve looked at your articles. If I knew who said they witnessed spitting, where and under what circumstances that would be better. The links you have are reported on the internet and are not sourced to anyone, nor stated as to whether it was in the elevator or where. I didn’t see it in the video. Doesn’t mean it wasn’t caught, but I am not yet going to call this reliable. It’s an internet rumor. The video isn’t. Look at what happens at :25 of the video. He makes a motion toward her while he’s got her pushed up against the wall in the elevator and her head jerks to the side. He appears to have swatted or spit at her. She then swats at him with one arm while still clutching her purse. He then knocks her out. For you to continue to defend this behavior in light of actual video evidence does in fact make you a rather shitty person. Or a troll. And your inability to grasp basic logic and reading comprehension makes me wonder how you could actually be an attorney. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445.md?page=7)