# The Second Stone is a piece of shit **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 14, 2014, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445 "2014-09-14T01:07:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![armedmonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@armedmonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/armedmonkey)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2014, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/161 "2014-09-14T22:41:58Z")
> [@Killing\_Time](#): > > Follow threads much? I didn’t say it was important, magellan01 [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=17730666&postcount=122](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=17730666&postcount=122) and colibri [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=17730706&postcount=127](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=17730706&postcount=127) think it’s important. They seem to attach a lot of significance to whether or not a fist was formed, yet there is no evidence one way or the other. > > Get it yet? Learning is fun, isn’t it? Alright, whatever. I will fully admit I have not read every single godman DMB thread related to the Ray Rice case. You got me. However, as has been frequently quoted > [@Killing Time](#): > > How is it clear that HE made a fist? I’ve carefully watched the video several times. You cannot see anything but a blur when he strikes her. That seems to me you’re saying it’s important. ---
**Author:** ![Killing\_Time](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/76d3ee/32.png) [@Killing\_Time](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Killing_Time)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2014, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/162 "2014-09-14T22:42:42Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > Seeing what you want to see is sadly not all that uncommon. Right, like seeing a “knockout punch to the face” when you are actually seeing a blow to the side of the head that pushes her into a hard metal railing. ---
**Author:** ![Eddie\_F](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/22d042/32.png) [@Eddie\_F](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eddie_F)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2014, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/163 "2014-09-14T22:45:52Z")
How I’ll envision **The Second Stone** and **Killing Time** from here on out: [http://i.imgur.com/rodrT83.jpg](http://i.imgur.com/rodrT83.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2014, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/164 "2014-09-14T22:45:56Z")
> [@Killing\_Time](#): > > Follow threads much? I didn’t say it was important, magellan01 [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=17730666&postcount=122](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=17730666&postcount=122) and colibri [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=17730706&postcount=127](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=17730706&postcount=127) think it’s important. They seem to attach a lot of significance to whether or not a fist was formed, yet there is no evidence one way or the other. > > Get it yet? Learning is fun, isn’t it? > [@](#): > > In the hours and days after the assault, staffers replayed the security-camera footage hundreds of times, a former staffer said. He said a mention of Rice spitting on Palmer was noted in an internal security report, which he told “Outside the Lines” he had read “multiple times.” > > That former staffer estimates that 25 to 30 Revel security staffers saw the security camera footage of Rice striking Palmer. All of the staffers who spoke with “Outside the Lines” say they were not contacted by anyone from NFL security or the Ravens and they are not aware of any current or former co-workers who have been. The TMZ Sports video was shot off a video monitor with a cellphone camera, one former staffer told “Outside the Lines.” Yes, no reference to any punching or slapping from her, spits and a punch from Ray? Yes indeed. ---
**Author:** ![Killing\_Time](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/76d3ee/32.png) [@Killing\_Time](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Killing_Time)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2014, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/165 "2014-09-14T22:46:08Z")
> [@armedmonkey](#): > > Alright, whatever. I will fully admit I have not read every single godman DMB thread related to the Ray Rice case. You got me. Good. See that it doesn’t happen again. > [@](#): > > That seems to me like you seem you’re saying it’s important. Only because you’re mentally defective. It’s important in the sense that they are wrongly using it as purported proof of something, when they don’t even know that it is a fact. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2014, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/166 "2014-09-14T22:46:29Z")
> [@Killing\_Time](#): > > Right, like seeing a “knockout punch to the face” when you are actually seeing a blow to the side of the head that pushes her into a hard metal railing. Sure, and all Zimmerman did was pull the trigger, the bullet actually did the killing. Same defective logic. ---
**Author:** ![armedmonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@armedmonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/armedmonkey)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2014, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/167 "2014-09-14T22:46:42Z")
> [@Killing\_Time](#): > > Right, like seeing a “knockout punch to the face” when you are actually seeing a blow to the side of the head that pushes her into a hard metal railing. My God, you’re an idiot. [Buster Douglas](http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-d7lASXwj9j4/Ua-XIw5JaxI/AAAAAAAAEj8/EbiY6JPFDxc/s1600/mike-tyson-buster-douglas%255B1%255D.jpg) knocked out Mike Tyson (Mike Tyson!) with a blow to the side of the head. ---
**Author:** ![Killing\_Time](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/76d3ee/32.png) [@Killing\_Time](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Killing_Time)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2014, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/168 "2014-09-14T22:48:58Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Yes, no reference to any punching or slapping from her, spits and a punch from Ray? Yes indeed. Hmmm… it says it shows him “striking” her. It does not say it shows him “punching” her, and makes no reference to a closed fist. Did you quote the right part? ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2014, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/169 "2014-09-14T22:49:50Z")
> [@Killing\_Time](#): > > Hmmm…I think you may be retarded. The ONLY think English is my second language, what is you excuse? (you were supposed to type thing there) > [@Killing\_Time](#): > > I was referring to when I mentioned the blur was whether or not he formed a fist, which OTHER people in this thread seem to think is some sort of evidence. I already acknowledged the spitting here: [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=17730538&postcount=118](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=17730538&postcount=118) and said that I think he was at fault for the incident. > > I must say, your thinking is not very nuanced. > > I also question that there is a “higher quality video” of the elevator footage. Gonna need a cite for that, buddy. You really only demonstrated to all that you do not have the smarts to read simple quotes: > [@](#): > > **The TMZ Sports video** was shot off a video monitor with a cellphone camera, one former staffer told “Outside the Lines.” Again, English is my second language but I do pay attention to what they reported, what excuse do you have? ---
**Author:** ![Killing\_Time](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/76d3ee/32.png) [@Killing\_Time](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Killing_Time)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2014, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/170 "2014-09-14T22:50:51Z")
> [@armedmonkey](#): > > My God, you’re an idiot. [Buster Douglas](http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-d7lASXwj9j4/Ua-XIw5JaxI/AAAAAAAAEj8/EbiY6JPFDxc/s1600/mike-tyson-buster-douglas%255B1%255D.jpg) knocked out Mike Tyson (Mike Tyson!) with a blow to the side of the head. That doesn’t prove Ray Rice knocked out his fiance with the blow to the head. Did you watch the video? Are you not able to see her head hit a metal bar?:smack: ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2014, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/171 "2014-09-14T22:50:53Z")
> [@Eddie\_F](#): > > How I’ll envision **The Second Stone** and **Killing Time** from here on out: [Imgur: The magic of the Internet](http://i.imgur.com/rodrT83.jpg) How I imagine them: [http://www.buzztorah.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/sockpuppet.jpg](http://www.buzztorah.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/sockpuppet.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2014, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/172 "2014-09-14T22:53:27Z")
> [@Killing\_Time](#): > > Would you care to disprove anything I wrote, or shall I assume that you too have nothing? Did you even look at the video? Yes I did. That’s how I know you must be mentally defective to have written what you did. And no, I don’t care to debate mental defectives. ---
**Author:** ![Killing\_Time](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/76d3ee/32.png) [@Killing\_Time](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Killing_Time)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2014, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/173 "2014-09-14T22:54:21Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > English is my second language, what is you excuse? (you were supposed to type thing there) OH MY GOD! You caught me in a typo. Did you splooge in your pants when you saw it? Fuck! are you ever on the ball. Well played, my friend. Well played. > [@](#): > > You really only demonstrated to all that you do not have the smarts to read simple quotes: > > Again, English is my second language but I do pay attention to what they reported, what excuse do you have? Uh, dumb ass - the footage in the elevator was not shot on a cell phone. Do you think someone was standing behind them on the elevator? You aren’t the sharpest knife in the drawer, are you? ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2014, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/174 "2014-09-14T22:54:31Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > Ok, sidebar discussion among the non-psychos in this thread: I’m thinking that **Killing Time** is a bigger piece of human garbage than **TSS**. Any disagreement there? None. Can we add **BlindBoyard** to the pile? He hasn’t said as much, but it’s reeked. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2014, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/175 "2014-09-14T22:54:44Z")
> [@Killing\_Time](#): > > Hmmm… it says it shows him “striking” her. It does not say it shows him “punching” her, and makes no reference to a closed fist. Did you quote the right part? When you strike someone it does not mean that a punch is excluded. In other words, you are just grasping at straws to make it sound that you have something over me. Maybe delusions of grandeur, but I think it is just wilfulness to make this more confusing that what really is. ---
**Author:** ![Killing\_Time](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/76d3ee/32.png) [@Killing\_Time](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Killing_Time)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2014, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/176 "2014-09-14T22:56:04Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > Yes I did. That’s how I know you must be mentally defective to have written what you did. Um, no you didn’t. You wrote ONE sentence, which said that I was “mentally defective”. > [@](#): > > And no, I don’t care to debate mental defectives. So you’ve got nothing. Just as I thought. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2014, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/177 "2014-09-14T22:56:50Z")
> [@Killing\_Time](#): > > That doesn’t prove Ray Rice knocked out his fiance with the blow to the head. Did you watch the video? Are you not able to see her head hit a metal bar?:smack: If she had died from that, do you think your batshit insane logic would be any defense to a charge of murder? ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2014, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/178 "2014-09-14T22:57:00Z")
> [@Killing\_Time](#): > > OH MY GOD! You caught me in a typo. Did you splooge in your pants when you saw it? Fuck! are you ever on the ball. Well played, my friend. Well played. > Uh, dumb ass - the footage in the elevator was not shot on a cell phone. Do you think someone was standing behind them on the elevator? You aren’t the sharpest knife in the drawer, are you? :rolleyes: \*\* You really are stupid\*\*, the report clearly says that the elevator recording was made by the security camera, the leaked video came from a cell phone recording of a monitor of the security recording of the elevator. A video that the security guys interviewed reviewed and they tell you that they saw more and concluded that what Ray did was appalling and there is very little to gain from attempting to make this her fault too. ---
**Author:** ![Killing\_Time](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/76d3ee/32.png) [@Killing\_Time](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Killing_Time)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2014, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/179 "2014-09-14T22:57:49Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > When you strike someone it does not mean that a punch is excluded. In other words, you are just grasping at straws to make it sound that you have something over me. I didn’t SAY it was excluded; I just said it wasn’t proven. What are you having so much fucking trouble understanding here? > [@](#): > > Maybe delusions of grandeur, but I think it is just wilfulness to make this more confusing that what really is. No, I think it’s just YOU who are confused. ---
**Author:** ![MsWhatsit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/eb8c5e/32.png) [@MsWhatsit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsWhatsit)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2014, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445/180 "2014-09-14T22:58:14Z")
Hi, I’m MsWhatsit and this Pit thread is the first I’ve seen of this entire situation. Based entirely on the OP, yes, **The Second Stone** is a piece of shit. Based on his subsequent posts in the thread, **The Second Stone** is a HUGE piece of shit. To put this perhaps more eloquently, the OP had the effect of pointing to TSS’s post and saying, “Look. Look at this giant pile of shit that someone left in the middle of the sidewalk. What an asshole.” And then TSS came along and said, “Yeah, that’s my shit” and rubbed his face around in it a little bit and then ran around leaving his shitty face-prints all over nearby buildings and passersby. “Smell it! Smell my shit!” **Killing Time** is like the flies hovering nearby the pile of shit, thinking they’ve discovered something tasty when really all they’ve found is someone else’s giant pile of shit. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-second-stone-is-a-piece-of-shit/698445.md?page=10)