# The Senate torture report **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [December 9, 2014, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-senate-torture-report/706773 "2014-12-09T17:20:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2014, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-senate-torture-report/706773/261 "2014-12-10T17:58:28Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > The pictures are out there already. They know we did evil things. Making a holiday wouldn’t change things, although it might balance out our pseudo-holiday of 9/11, The Day Of Perpetual Self-Pity And Recreational Grief. Because the remembrance of the 3,000-plus innocent Americans murdered on 9/11 needs to be “balanced out”. How nice. Michael Savage was right. There is something seriously wrong with the liberal mind. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2014, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-senate-torture-report/706773/262 "2014-12-10T18:00:52Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > How about “no fucking stories”? Unless they are the “torture rilly works! Rilly _rilly_!” stories told by CIA chiefs, right? ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2014, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-senate-torture-report/706773/263 "2014-12-10T18:02:40Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Too late! It never happens, anyway… word always gets out eventually. :rolleyes: Then why resurrect the story? Why throw gasoline and to smoldering embers? There is no excuse for doing this. The only upside is that it reveals what leftists really want to do and will do when they have the power. > [@iiandyiiii](#): > > I agree (except for the “liberal shitheads” part) – Republican Senators should strive to be more like Feinstein and work to protect American lives and interests instead of endangering them. Please at least do me the favor of not typing words that are of no communicative value. Thanks! ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2014, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-senate-torture-report/706773/264 "2014-12-10T18:03:41Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Unless they are the “torture rilly works! Rilly _rilly_!” stories told by CIA chiefs, right? No stories. Period. But if something is going to be attacked, defending it is fair. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2014, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-senate-torture-report/706773/265 "2014-12-10T18:04:55Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Unless they are the “torture rilly works! Rilly _rilly_!” stories told by CIA chiefs, right? I know. How dare they contradict the liberal hive mind. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2014, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-senate-torture-report/706773/266 "2014-12-10T18:05:01Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > To find out and reveal the truth about the torture program. That’s a valuable thing. If we did something very bad, we should investigate it and reveal the findings. The last three words here are utter nonsense. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2014, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-senate-torture-report/706773/267 "2014-12-10T18:05:57Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > :rolleyes: Then why resurrect the story? Why throw gasoline and to smoldering embers? To get a “better understanding of what was done, how and why”. > [@](#): > > There is no excuse for doing this. The only upside is that it reveals what leftists really want to do and will do when they have the power. The “excuse” (and upside) is to get a “better understanding of what was done, how and why”. With this report, Americans have a better understanding of what was done, how it was done, and why. > [@](#): > > Please at least do me the favor of not typing words that are of no communicative value. Thanks! LOL. Does that go for “liberal shitheads”, “something seriously wrong with the liberal mind”, and something about Feinstein and mastiffs, too? Or does it really not compute with you that some people think that the torture itself harmed America, and endangered Americans, and part of repairing that harm and lessening the danger is getting to the bottom of what really happened? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2014, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-senate-torture-report/706773/268 "2014-12-10T18:06:58Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > No stories. Period. You’re nearly 10 years too late. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2014, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-senate-torture-report/706773/269 "2014-12-10T18:07:04Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > I know. How dare they contradict the liberal hive mind. Where is their evidence that it works? ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2014, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-senate-torture-report/706773/270 "2014-12-10T18:07:21Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > No, they do. I now have a “better understanding of what was done, how and why” then I did before the report was released. And the more I read of it, the better my understanding gets. Who gives a shit about “your understanding”? Or should the government consult you on all matters, secret and public, so you can have a better understanding of things? Please. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2014, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-senate-torture-report/706773/271 "2014-12-10T18:08:02Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > The last three words here are utter nonsense. How so? Are you saying the Senate committee’s report had no findings, or that they didn’t reveal their findings? ---
**Author:** ![Jas09](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d07c76/32.png) [@Jas09](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jas09)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2014, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-senate-torture-report/706773/272 "2014-12-10T18:08:31Z")
I’ll believe that the crimes committed by American personnel were truly and fully investigated when I see a torturer going to jail. Like known liberal weenie Ronald Reagan demanded when signing the UN Convention on Torture in the first place: “Each State Party is required either to prosecute torturers who are found in its territory or to extradite them to other countries for prosecution”. ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2014, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-senate-torture-report/706773/273 "2014-12-10T18:09:22Z")
I find it intresting to see americans defending the covering up of the fact that they copied the nazis and the soviets in torturing. So they wish only to be like the nazis in the same banality of the evil. that is interesting. it is also actual fascism, not the mere internet use of the word. Sad. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2014, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-senate-torture-report/706773/274 "2014-12-10T18:10:00Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > Who gives a shit about “your understanding”? Me, but I also want everyone else to have a better understanding. This report gives anyone (who is interested) a better understanding of what happened. > [@](#): > > Or should the government consult you on all matters, secret and public, so you can have a better understanding of things? Please. When the government screws up, the public should be informed so we can have a better understanding. ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2014, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-senate-torture-report/706773/275 "2014-12-10T18:10:20Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > Who gives a shit about “your understanding”? Or should the government consult you on all matters, secret and public, so you can have a better understanding of things? Please. If we do not know what our government is doing in our name, how can we take issue with it and try to make it stop? Why do you hate transparency? Does sticking your fingers in your ears and humming “la la la I can’t hear you” count as good oversight? You do know that the government is supposed to answer to the people right? Why are you against that? ---
**Author:** ![Knorf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/58956e/32.png) [@Knorf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knorf)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2014, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-senate-torture-report/706773/276 "2014-12-10T18:12:48Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > Wasn’t my scenario. Sure there is. I heard that humming very loudly works. Sorry, you’re right, it was F-P’s scenario. The rest of your obtuse post doesn’t deserve a response. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2014, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-senate-torture-report/706773/277 "2014-12-10T18:14:56Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > And the opinion of six CIA chiefs who say that it worked. I find it humorous that you think the heads of the agency that performed, condoned, and lied about torture would answer anything other than “Yes it did! Totally worked! Trust me, I’m the head of the CIA!” ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2014, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-senate-torture-report/706773/278 "2014-12-10T18:16:43Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > I find it humorous that you think the heads of the agency that performed, condoned, and lied about torture would answer anything other than “Yes it did! Totally worked! Trust me, I’m the head of the CIA!” I find it humorous that you think that the Congressional partisan report has no agenda, is accurate, and did not withhold or misrepresent any information. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2014, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-senate-torture-report/706773/279 "2014-12-10T18:18:33Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > I find it humorous that you think that the Congressional partisan report has no agenda, is accurate, and did not withhold or misrepresent any information. It certainly has an agenda, but so far no one has disputed any of the partially-redacted CIA text, and no one has offered information that they say was withheld. ---
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2014, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-senate-torture-report/706773/280 "2014-12-10T18:19:53Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > I find it humorous that you think that the Congressional partisan report has no agenda, is accurate, and did not withhold or misrepresent any information. It should also be noted that the Republican minority has a report which disagrees with the majority report. And the only reason the reports are majority and minority respectively is election results in various states, something which has zero bearing on the accuracy of the respective reports. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-senate-torture-report/706773.md?page=13) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-senate-torture-report/706773.md?page=15)