# The Senate torture report **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [December 9, 2014, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-senate-torture-report/706773 "2014-12-09T17:20:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2014, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-senate-torture-report/706773/281 "2014-12-10T18:21:17Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > I find it humorous that you think that the Congressional partisan report has no agenda, is accurate, and did not withhold or misrepresent any information. You are welcome to point out any inaccuracies, withholdings or misrepresentations in that report in this thread. You _did_ read the report before making such accusations, correct? ---
**Author:** ![sciurophobic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cab0a1/32.png) [@sciurophobic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sciurophobic)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2014, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-senate-torture-report/706773/282 "2014-12-10T18:22:17Z")
You can justify torture all you want, but some of the things the CIA did went beyond torture to pure sadism. What sort of sick mind comes up with “rectal feeding”? ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2014, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-senate-torture-report/706773/283 "2014-12-10T18:23:33Z")
Not saying it’s a bad thing to remember an historic event, having annual grief-fests over it and using it to start illegal wars and torture is wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2014, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-senate-torture-report/706773/284 "2014-12-10T18:24:03Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > I find it humorous that you think that the Congressional partisan report has no agenda, is accurate, and did not withhold or misrepresent any information. I find it troubling that you can discern my thoughts about the Congressional partisan report when my post did not once use the words “Congressional” “Partisan” or “report” My post was simply showing my amusement that you would think heads of an Agency that tortured human beings would tell the truth about the effectiveness of said torture, especially when confronted with the fact that it may not have been effective. ---
**Author:** ![Omar\_Little](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omar_little/32/269_2.png) [@Omar\_Little](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omar_Little)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2014, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-senate-torture-report/706773/285 "2014-12-10T18:29:00Z")
> [@Lightnin](#): > > standing for hours at a time on broken feet and legs, Must have missed the part about breaking their feet and legs first. Haven’t read that. Is that legit, or are you assuming that happened? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2014, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-senate-torture-report/706773/286 "2014-12-10T18:31:48Z")
> [@Omar\_Little](#): > > Must have missed the part about breaking their feet and legs first. Haven’t read that. Is that legit, or are you assuming that happened? I don’t know if they broke the legs/feet on purpose (or if they were already broken upon capture), but the claim that folks with broken legs/feet were made to be in stress positions is legitimately [in the report](http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/12/09/the-most-gruesome-moments-in-the-cia-torture-report.html). ---
**Author:** ![Omar\_Little](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omar_little/32/269_2.png) [@Omar\_Little](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omar_Little)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2014, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-senate-torture-report/706773/287 "2014-12-10T18:32:44Z")
Meh, that’s not as bad as waterboarding. ---
**Author:** ![Jas09](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d07c76/32.png) [@Jas09](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jas09)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2014, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-senate-torture-report/706773/288 "2014-12-10T18:33:12Z")
> [@Omar\_Little](#): > > Must have missed the part about breaking their feet and legs first. Haven’t read that. Is that legit, or are you assuming that happened? It was a broken foot - two different prisoners. Although they also “walled” a guy with a prosthetic leg too. > **[Rectal rehydration and broken limbs: the grisliest findings in the CIA...](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2014/dec/09/cia-torture-report-worst-findings-waterboard-rectal)** > > Parts of the CIA interrogation programme were known, but the catalogue of abuse is nightmarish, especially knowing much more will never be revealed A special place in jail for the “medical professionals” that evaluated these guys and finally determined they could no longer “maintain that position”. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2014, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-senate-torture-report/706773/289 "2014-12-10T18:36:58Z")
> [@Airbeck](#): > > If we do not know what our government is doing in our name, how can we take issue with it and try to make it stop? > > Why do you hate transparency? Does sticking your fingers in your ears and humming “la la la I can’t hear you” count as good oversight? You do know that the government is supposed to answer to the people right? Why are you against that? The programs in question have ALREADY BEEN STOPPED! ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2014, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-senate-torture-report/706773/290 "2014-12-10T18:38:00Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > How so? Are you saying the Senate committee’s report had no findings, or that they didn’t reveal their findings? That the report should not have been released. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2014, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-senate-torture-report/706773/291 "2014-12-10T18:39:05Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > The programs in question have ALREADY BEEN STOPPED! So it’s all cool, right? ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2014, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-senate-torture-report/706773/292 "2014-12-10T18:42:00Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > So it’s all cool, right? as far as what actions should be taken, yes. Can’t can’t stop something that has already been stopped. so, there must be another agenda. What is it? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2014, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-senate-torture-report/706773/293 "2014-12-10T18:42:56Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > The programs in question have ALREADY BEEN STOPPED! If someone has already robbed a bank, does that mean we just drop the subject? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2014, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-senate-torture-report/706773/294 "2014-12-10T18:44:08Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > as far as what actions should be taken, yes. Can’t can’t stop something that has already been stopped. so, there must be another agenda. What is it? _Ollie Ollie Oxen Free!_ :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2014, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-senate-torture-report/706773/295 "2014-12-10T18:44:18Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > If someone has already robbed a bank, does that mean we just drop the subject? There’s no way anyone will ever rob a bank again, and there’s nothing we can possibly learn from the experience about how to keep it from happening again anyway, so…yeah. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2014, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-senate-torture-report/706773/296 "2014-12-10T18:45:32Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > as far as what actions should be taken, yes. Can’t can’t stop something that has already been stopped. so, there must be another agenda. What is it? Bringing the criminals to justice, for one thing. You’re in favor of that, right? Deterring their successors - in some cases, \*themselves \*- from doing it again. This isn’t all that advanced a concept. ---
**Author:** ![Grumman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/43a26b/32.png) [@Grumman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grumman)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2014, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-senate-torture-report/706773/297 "2014-12-10T18:46:25Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > Bullshit. This is not about whether torture works or not. It is not about whether we should do it or not. t is not even about what constitutes torture or not. It has already been established that the practices at issue have been stopped. Period. This is simply a bitch angry at the CIA grandstanding. At the very least, this fans the flames of a a fire we already put out. But hey, let’s keep reminding our enemies who want to kill us of all the bad things we’ve done and mistakes we’ve made. We? Who is this “we” you speak of? The best way to prove that we do not side with these bastards is to hang them like the war criminals they are. ---
**Author:** ![shiftless](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e9c0ed/32.png) [@shiftless](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/shiftless)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2014, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-senate-torture-report/706773/298 "2014-12-10T18:50:50Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > I find it humorous that you think that the Congressional partisan report has no agenda, is accurate, and did not withhold or misrepresent any information. Those six former CIA heads you mention have it in their power to prove that torture works. Any time they want they could bring out the evidence that proves the Congressional report to be complete bullshit - yet they don’t. Instead, they hide behind threats of some vague boogey man that’ll get us all if we ask questions. Why doesn’t one of the former heads grow a pair and step forward to correct all these mistakes? We are not in sixth grade anymore. These are men were paid to do a job and they decided it would be expedient to break the law and lie about it. The most stunning part to me is how many people think we should just accept that without question. Because of 'mericia or something. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2014, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-senate-torture-report/706773/299 "2014-12-10T18:52:45Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > That the report should not have been released. You said my three words “reveal the findings” were nonsense. I assume this means that you think the findings should not have been revealed. I disagree. In order to avoid the mistakes of the past, we need to understand them. Including the details. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2014, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-senate-torture-report/706773/300 "2014-12-10T18:57:55Z")
> [@shiftless](#): > > Those six former CIA heads you mention have it in their power to prove that torture works. Really? They have the power to declassify any document/information they want, no matter how detrimental that would be to the nation’s security? Hell, skip the “detrimental” part. Do those six former CIA heads have it in their power to declassify ANY document at all? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-senate-torture-report/706773.md?page=14) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-senate-torture-report/706773.md?page=16)