# The SF Miscegenation Game

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sf-miscegenation-game/70608>\
**Category:** In My Humble Opinion\
**Created:** [June 29, 2001, 1:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sf-miscegenation-game/70608 "2001-06-29T13:06:54Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![Steve\_Wright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/848f3c/32.png) [@Steve\_Wright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_Wright)\
**Post date:** [June 29, 2001, 1:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sf-miscegenation-game/70608/1 "2001-06-29T13:06:54Z")

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So, **Fenris** posted version 3 of his SF reading list in [this thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=74792) (and a very comprehensive list it is too), and it included a couple of typos, which drew this reply from me:-

> [@](#):
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> Get the nitpicking out of the way… John Herbert and Frank Brunner???
> 
> Hmmmm. This sort of hybridization has possibilities. What would the resulting stories look like from, say, Lois McMaster Baxter and Stephen Bujold? Cliff Smith and E. E. “Doc” Simak? Ursula K. Hubbard and L. Ron LeGuin? Just a thought

At which point, having idle thoughts of talking dogs armed with planet-destroying weaponry, I went away… and the unfazeable **Fenris** came back with:-

> [@](#):
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> _Originally posted by Fenris_  
> I wouldn’t mind reading L. Ron Le Guin’s The Left Hand of Fear or Ursula K. Hubbard’s 10 book “Mission Dispossessed” series.
> 
> Personally though, I wanna read Harlan Heinlein’s The Beast That Had Time Enough For Love at the Heart of the World or I Have No Mouth Yet I Have Spacesuit, Will Travel

Soooooo… does this strike any chords with anyone else? Mt first thoughts were of possible Philip K. Vance titles like _Servants of the Wub_, _The Unteleported Killing Machine_, or the deeply dubious _Clans of the Palace of Love_. But I’m sure there are some of you out there who can do a lot better than that.

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**Author:** ![Steve\_Wright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/848f3c/32.png) [@Steve\_Wright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_Wright)\
**Post date:** [June 29, 2001, 1:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sf-miscegenation-game/70608/2 "2001-06-29T13:09:00Z")

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…particularly with the coding. I’m not having a good week with coding…

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**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\
**Post date:** [June 29, 2001, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sf-miscegenation-game/70608/3 "2001-06-29T13:57:45Z")

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Margaret Norman: The Handmaiden of Gor

Isaac Anthony: A Spell for Foundation

Ayn Le Guin: Atlas Dispossessed

Spider Chalker: Midnight At Callahan’s Crosstime Saloon

Fenris

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**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\
**Post date:** [June 29, 2001, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sf-miscegenation-game/70608/4 "2001-06-29T14:38:30Z")

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H.G. Bradbury: The Time Machineries of joy

Iain M. Baum:  
Consider Ozma  
Feersum Tik-Tok

Ray Disch  
Faherenheit 334

Anne Bradbury  
The Ship That Sang The Body Electric

S.M. Tolkien  
Marching Through the Two Towers (the Draka in Middle Earth…brrrr)

S.M. Lewis  
The Voyage of the Dawn Treader in the Sea of Time S&M lesbians in Narnia? That’s it. I’m goin’ to Hell.

Fenris

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**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\
**Post date:** [June 29, 2001, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sf-miscegenation-game/70608/5 "2001-06-29T14:57:45Z")

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Piers Brunner

**The Sheep Look Up Cryptozoic**  
OK, I can’t claim credit for the book – I found it among the winners of a F&SF contest in the book **Oi! Robot!** , but I still giggle over it, and it gives me a chance to write the name “Piers Brunner”

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**Author:** ![Steve\_Wright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/848f3c/32.png) [@Steve\_Wright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_Wright)\
**Post date:** [June 29, 2001, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sf-miscegenation-game/70608/6 "2001-06-29T15:44:53Z")

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Connie Anderson, _Let the Spacemen Beware of the Dog_

H.G. Harrison, _The Time Machine in Shaft Ten_

Philip K. Wells, _The Invisible Man in the High Castle_

Ray Hoyle, _The October the First Is Too Late Country_

H.P. McCaffrey, _Dagonflight_

Brian Asimov, _The Currents of Space, Time and Nathaniel_

Tanith Eddison, _Delirium’s Mistress of Mistresses_

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**Author:** ![Balance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ccd318/32.png) [@Balance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Balance)\
**Post date:** [June 29, 2001, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sf-miscegenation-game/70608/7 "2001-06-29T15:45:11Z")

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Elizabeth Anne McCaffrey–_Bronwyn’s Ride_ (A pathological liar treats the flu.)  
Terry Brooks-Pratchett–_The Colour of Shannara_ (Rincewind vs. the Warlock Lord, no holds barred)  
Robert Niven–_Thieves’ World of Ptaavs_ (a Slaver in Sanctuary)  
P.C. Hughart–_Seeker’s Mask of the Stone_ (Jame kills Nu Kua for putting her to so much trouble, and reduces ancient China to rubble by accident)

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**Author:** ![Trion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ccd318/32.png) [@Trion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trion)\
**Post date:** [June 29, 2001, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sf-miscegenation-game/70608/8 "2001-06-29T17:52:21Z")

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Fritz Harrison - _The Adventures of Fafhrd and the Stainless Steel Rat._

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**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\
**Post date:** [June 29, 2001, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sf-miscegenation-game/70608/9 "2001-06-29T20:14:33Z")

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C.S. Lovecraft: The Dunwitch Horror, The Witch and the Wardrobe\*\*

Connie L’Engle: To Say Nothing of the Wrinkle in the Dog

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**Author:** ![lucie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ed8c4c/32.png) [@lucie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lucie)\
**Post date:** [June 29, 2001, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sf-miscegenation-game/70608/10 "2001-06-29T20:44:08Z")

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Robert E. Dick’s “Conan the Electric Sheep”

Harlan Verne’s “Jeffty is Five Thousand Leagues Under the Sea”

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**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\
**Post date:** [June 29, 2001, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sf-miscegenation-game/70608/11 "2001-06-29T23:47:10Z")

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I’m so ashamed that I get these jokes. Oh what a geek I am…

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**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\
**Post date:** [June 30, 2001, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sf-miscegenation-game/70608/12 "2001-06-30T01:45:22Z")

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I liked the epic trilogy by J.R.R. Niven, _The Lord of the Ringworld._ The individual volumes, as everyone knows, were _The Fellowship of the Ringworld, The Two Tanjs,_ and _Return of the Kzin_.

Or Raymond le Guin’s _The Left Hand of Darkness at Sethanon._

Philip K. Wolfe’s _Do Androids Dream of the Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test?_

Alfred Lahr’s _The Demolished Manchurian Candidate_.

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**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\
**Post date:** [June 30, 2001, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sf-miscegenation-game/70608/13 "2001-06-30T02:41:40Z")

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> [@](#):
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> \*Originally posted by Miller \*  
> \*\*I liked the epic trilogy by J.R.R. Niven, _The Lord of the Ringworld._ The individual volumes, as everyone knows, were _The Fellowship of the Ringworld, The Two Tanjs,_ and _Return of the Kzin_.  
> \*\*

I thought it was _The Two Teelas_?!

There’s also Ursula Morris’s The Wood Beyond the World Is Forest

Fenris

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**Author:** ![ENugent](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/4af34b/32.png) [@ENugent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ENugent)\
**Post date:** [June 30, 2001, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sf-miscegenation-game/70608/14 "2001-06-30T03:03:49Z")

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Connie Chalker’s Doomsday at the Well of Souls.  
Sherri Vinge’s A Fire Upon the Grass.  
Neil Wyndham’s Day of the Snow Crash.

I think I’m working too late… 🙂

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**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\
**Post date:** [June 30, 2001, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sf-miscegenation-game/70608/15 "2001-06-30T03:17:14Z")

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George Asimov: _Foundation and Empire Strikes Back_

Orson Scott Martin: _Ender’s Game of Thrones_

And few people remember Ursula le Guin’s shortlived foray into funk with her album _A Wizard of Earthsea, Wind and Fire._

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**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\
**Post date:** [June 30, 2001, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sf-miscegenation-game/70608/16 "2001-06-30T03:28:05Z")

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> \*Originally posted by ENugent \*  
> \*\*  
> Neil Wyndham’s Day of the Snow Crash.
> 
> I think I’m working too late… 🙂 \*\*

Or his friend John Gerrold’s Star Trek Episode:

“The Trouble with Triffids”

Heh.

I’ve been up for something like 50-something hours with nnly about 8 hours sleep. I tried to nap earlier and failed. I wonder if this thread will be as hysterical tomorrow, after I regain conciousness?

Fenris

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**Author:** ![GingerOfTheNorth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/cdc98d/32.png) [@GingerOfTheNorth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GingerOfTheNorth)\
**Post date:** [June 30, 2001, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sf-miscegenation-game/70608/17 "2001-06-30T04:18:42Z")

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Uh. Sorry, I think I came into the wrong thread by mistake. I’ll just back out slowly…not making any sudden moves…

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**Author:** ![Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/df788c/32.png) [@Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ben)\
**Post date:** [June 30, 2001, 5:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sf-miscegenation-game/70608/18 "2001-06-30T05:38:16Z")

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Could someone jog my memory here? Did George R. R. Tolkein write Return of the Sandkings or Return of the… Jedi?

-Ben

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**Author:** ![Kallessa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/7993a0/32.png) [@Kallessa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kallessa)\
**Post date:** [June 30, 2001, 8:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sf-miscegenation-game/70608/19 "2001-06-30T08:46:02Z")

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Isaac Adams’ _Foundation of the End of the Universe_ (a textbook on future history?)

Orson Scott Zelazny’s _Speaker for the Lord of Light_

And my favorite:

Robert Card’s classic _The Number of the Children of the Mind_ The love scene between Lazarus, Ender, Jane, Zebadiah, Deety, Jake, Hilda, Peter, Valentine, Human and Rooter, was very touching.

Especially because Novinha was lost in Oz at that same time.

With the twins, Laz and Lor.

And an even earlier incanation of Lazarus Long. Of course.

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**Author:** ![Akatsukami](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ea666f/32.png) [@Akatsukami](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akatsukami)\
**Post date:** [June 30, 2001, 1:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sf-miscegenation-game/70608/20 "2001-06-30T13:26:12Z")

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> [@](#):
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> \*Originally posted by Fenris \*  
> **S.M. Tolkien  
> Marching Through the Two Towers (the Draka in Middle Earth…brrrr)**

> [@](#):
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> Actually, this would be very interesting. The two authors would probably kill each other before the collaboration was over, given their _very_ different views about the nature of ultimate reality, but I think Stirling could certainly give us a Mordors’-eye view of things that came pretty close to it.
> 
> Of course, in this universe chance and coincidence would probably favor the good guys instead of the bad guys, and we’d see a lot more of the Draka internal feuds that let the Ringbearer get through…

> [@](#):
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> \*\*S.M. Lewis  
> The Voyage of the Dawn Treader in the Sea of Time S&M lesbians in Narnia? That’s it. I’m goin’ to Hell.  
> \*\*

> [@](#):
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> Well, actually, given the crew of the ship there I don’t think it’s _lesbianism_ that one would have to worry about, though I’m sure the fighting scenes and Eustace’s adventure (?) in the slave market would be described in a great deal more detail.

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