# The Shield: Season 4: Episode: 6 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 20, 2005, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-shield-season-4-episode-6/300164 "2005-04-20T00:59:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Oslo\_Ostragoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a9a28c/32.png) [@Oslo\_Ostragoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oslo_Ostragoth)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2005, 5:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-shield-season-4-episode-6/300164/41 "2005-04-21T05:06:48Z")
> [@Gadarene](#): > > I dunno, the whole “two or more gang members associating in public will be arrested” thing is pretty f\*\*king egregious, and Julian was not a fan of it at all. I have no idea what the relevant law may be on this, but I find it plausible. They did all the legwork to connect all the players in a continuing criminal enterprise, presumably some with prior felony convictions, and under some statute (RICO?), a judge is allowed to issue a restraining order to prevent them from associating with each other. ---
**Author:** ![Oslo\_Ostragoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a9a28c/32.png) [@Oslo\_Ostragoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oslo_Ostragoth)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2005, 5:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-shield-season-4-episode-6/300164/42 "2005-04-21T05:10:35Z")
> [@archmichael](#): > > The Dutch and cats thing reminded me of another loose end. The tutor/boyfriend. I thought we were supposed to think that something fishy was going on with him and Vic’s daughter. Possibly abuse. Is that one of those things the writers forgot about? Like Tevon? I got that vibe as well, but maybe it was just a case of Cass seeing her mother getting close to the tutor, and, in her preteen mind, thinks that her mother and father should get back together. ---
**Author:** ![Oslo\_Ostragoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a9a28c/32.png) [@Oslo\_Ostragoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oslo_Ostragoth)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2005, 5:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-shield-season-4-episode-6/300164/43 "2005-04-21T05:19:11Z")
> [@Dooku](#): > > The plotline I’m still waiting for them to revisit is Dutchboy’s cat killing episode. I think that was a one-time deal. It really bugged him that he couldn’t get into that murderer’s mind, and the murderer had talked about the “thing” that happened when you kill something. He just had to know for himself… ---
**Author:** ![archmichael](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/bb73d2/32.png) [@archmichael](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/archmichael)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2005, 12:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-shield-season-4-episode-6/300164/44 "2005-04-21T12:14:02Z")
> [@Oslo Ostragoth](#): > > I have no idea what the relevant law may be on this, but I find it plausible. They did all the legwork to connect all the players in a continuing criminal enterprise, presumably some with prior felony convictions, and under some statute (RICO?), a judge is allowed to issue a restraining order to prevent them from associating with each other. I was wondering about this as well. I remember hearing about it when I used to live in LA, then didn’t here anything about it. Here is a [link](http://www.streetgangs.com/injunctions/). You can google search the keywords ‘gang’ ‘injunction’. Looks like they are still being used ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2005, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-shield-season-4-episode-6/300164/45 "2005-04-21T14:52:53Z")
> [@Oslo Ostragoth](#): > > I think that was a one-time deal. It really bugged him that he couldn’t get into that murderer’s mind, and the murderer had talked about the “thing” that happened when you kill something. He just had to know for himself… No telling where Dutch might go. Remember, now he is Hungry…Like the Wolf. ---
**Author:** ![Man\_With\_a\_Cat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/cab0a1/32.png) [@Man\_With\_a\_Cat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Man_With_a_Cat)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2005, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-shield-season-4-episode-6/300164/46 "2005-04-21T15:03:34Z")
> [@RikWriter](#): > > After watching the previews, I can only think of one way for the whole confrontation between Aceveda and the Captain to end: she finds out about his pet hooker and uses it against him. Or Vic does. > As for the Shane/Vic situation, I am more convinced than ever that Shane is a dead man. Vic can’t allow him to be arrested. I couldn’t believe at first they trotted out the car-cam just to make fun of Dutch, it had to be there for a greater purpose. I was thinking that would be the means by which Vic and the boys blackmail Acevedes with his hooker into leaving Glenn Close alone. But then they use it to nail Shane, so now there has to be some other way for Acevedes to get his. ---
**Author:** ![monster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ab992/32.png) [@monster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monster)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2005, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-shield-season-4-episode-6/300164/47 "2005-04-21T16:49:30Z")
I am so mad that I missed this episode, but you guys have done a good job catching me up to speed. Anything else I should know I missed? I think we will see Dutch at home at some point in the future, and we’ll all see his happy healthy kitty. To those of us who know the back story, we’ll all be glad to see it alive and well. ---
**Author:** ![Hey\_It\_s\_That\_Guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Hey\_It\_s\_That\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hey_It_s_That_Guy)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2005, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-shield-season-4-episode-6/300164/48 "2005-04-21T17:32:41Z")
> [@monster](#): > > I am so mad that I missed this episode, but you guys have done a good job catching me up to speed. Anything else I should know I missed? I actually wrote a quick recap of the entire episode and e-mailed it to my dad. With apologies to the other posters who have been discussing it already, here’s a copy-and-paste of this week’s show: > [@](#): > > They held the first public auction for the property seized by drug dealers, and raised a whopping $900,000, of which the Farmington police keep 1/3, and 1/3 goes back into the community. At a press conference, reporters still asked Captain Monica harsh questions. Julian is getting pissed about this unfair “guilty until proven innocent” procedure. > \> \> > Shane and Army are still tipping off Antwon about every bust Vic tries to make, even though Lem and Monica are getting really suspicious about them. Vic keeps vouching for Shane at every chance he gets, which makes him look bad. They get a tip that some of Antwon’s goons are storing heroin in a church. Despite the vocal protests of the black reverend, the cops break through a glass door, interrupting a baptism, and find boxes of prayer candles from El Salvador with heroin concealed inside. This looks like another P.R. nightmare, and Julian refuses to take part in breaking into the church. Shane and Army try to tip off the suspect so he can escape, but when it’s clear he’s going to be caught, they catch him first and warn him to not mention Antwon. > \> \> > Claudette is still giving Dutch the cold shoulder, even though they still work together. At some point, Vic’s annoying daughter Cassidy comes to the police station because she’s sick, and when Vic isn’t around, Dutch takes her to her mom, Vic’s ex, at the hospital. Sick of Vic constantly giving him shit, Dutch asks Vic’s ex out on a dinner date. Vic later confronts Dutch at the station, accusing him of not being able to take a joke, so he made Vic look like an asshole in front of his ex by helping Vic’s daughter. (He obviously doesn’t know about the date.) Dutch says that Vic doesn’t need his help looking like an asshole in front of the ex, and Vic is about to pound the crap out of him when Monica distracts Vic with a new assignment. If Dutch bags Vic’s ex-wife, that might be the best revenge of > all, but it may come with a high price. > \> \> > Monica confronts Julian and assigns him to desk work, suggesting that he transfer if he doesn’t like her new policies. He later meets at a restaurant with Aceveda, and promises to help him do whatever it takes to take her down and end the drug property seizures. New subplot! > \> \> > Lem confronts Shane and Army and accuses them of snitching out the little girl, who they now figure Antwon killed. He is ready to kick Shane’s ass, and he lets him know that he KNOWS. Vic later gets pissed at Lem for running off to confront Shane on his own, but Ronnie has a surprise for them: since they’ve been in charge of installing cameras in cars for that ongoing garage sting operation, he installed a camera in Shane’s car! The episode closes with Lem asking to get back on the team with them, and Vic, Lem, and Ronnie watching the spycam video of Shane and Army discussing Antwon and how the cops probably aren’t onto them. Vic says “Now we have to take Shane down,” and that’s it for this week! ---
**Author:** ![monster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ab992/32.png) [@monster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monster)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2005, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-shield-season-4-episode-6/300164/49 "2005-04-21T17:44:30Z")
Oh MY GOD!!! You are the absolute BEST! I got that the guys were on to Shane, but not that they taped him. I’m going to set my phone to remind me to watch next week. Thank you! ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2005, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-shield-season-4-episode-6/300164/50 "2005-04-21T17:46:46Z")
Hopefully, some of you who have much better memory for TV shows than me can help me piece together the Vic/Dutch conflict. I know it starts in episode 1, where Vic is a bully to Dutch’s nerd cop. Dutch gets the hots for Danny, who Vic is boffing on the side. Dutch earns respect for bringing down a serial killer, especially after the SK had torn Dutch a new hole in interrogation. I think the fued turned hot, however, when Dutch was looking into the Money Train, and he got a little close to the Strike Team. If I’m not mistaken, Vic worked Aceveda against Dutch in that situation. Did I miss any major or minor logs that have been thrown onto their fire throughout the first three seasons? ---
**Author:** ![DMark](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e68b1a/32.png) [@DMark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DMark)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2005, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-shield-season-4-episode-6/300164/51 "2005-04-21T20:28:02Z")
They won’t kill off Shane this season. The little girl’s body will be found (by Vic) and he will bury her in some field to save Shane’s ass - again. The amazing thing about this show is that I am worn out watching and look to realize it is only half way through the hour! This show moves like few others have ever done. Certainly the fastest paced hour on television and a script always full of surprises. Glenn Close has already got a grip on her role. She is nobody’s fool and I like that she is as fast thinking on her feet as Vic, and I think even Vic is starting to realize it isn’t going to be easy to pull one over on her. ---
**Author:** ![RancidYakButterTeaParty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/53a042/32.png) [@RancidYakButterTeaParty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RancidYakButterTeaParty)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2005, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-shield-season-4-episode-6/300164/52 "2005-04-21T20:32:33Z")
The conflict between the two isn’t neccesarily linked to any specific events, Vic just loves to make Dutch look like a fool–and he makes himself an easy target. When Dutch does something to Vic in the same way, Vic gets incredibly pissed–and begins to hate Dutch more and more. I think it has been mostly junior high bully stuff up until now, but when Vic finds out that Dutch asked his ex out to dinner… Dutch better hope he’s not standing next to a hot oven! ---
**Author:** ![RancidYakButterTeaParty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/53a042/32.png) [@RancidYakButterTeaParty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RancidYakButterTeaParty)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2005, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-shield-season-4-episode-6/300164/53 "2005-04-21T20:34:06Z")
Sorry, I should have quoted DOdds post #50 above. ---
**Author:** ![rpinrd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b3f665/32.png) [@rpinrd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rpinrd)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2005, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-shield-season-4-episode-6/300164/54 "2005-04-22T16:14:49Z")
Wasn’t there an episode last year in which Dutch had lost a lap top computer that may or may not have had some pictures on it that it shouldn’t have? Dutch’s excuse was that he was looking into busting an illegal internet porn ring? Did anything ever come of that? And thanks for clearing up the question of how Antwon knew about the girl. Mrs. nrd and I had the same question when we watched this week. ---
**Author:** ![Hey\_It\_s\_That\_Guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Hey\_It\_s\_That\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hey_It_s_That_Guy)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2005, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-shield-season-4-episode-6/300164/55 "2005-04-22T16:23:40Z")
> [@rpinrd](#): > > Wasn’t there an episode last year in which Dutch had lost a lap top computer that may or may not have had some pictures on it that it shouldn’t have? Dutch’s excuse was that he was looking into busting an illegal internet porn ring? Did anything ever come of that? I remember that. Dutch had been investigating kiddie-porn rings on his own time, and turned in a previously-misplaced laptop that he warned everyone was full of child pornography he had turned up in the investigation. I thought for sure that would become a plot point, but it was never mentioned again. ---
**Author:** ![RancidYakButterTeaParty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/53a042/32.png) [@RancidYakButterTeaParty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RancidYakButterTeaParty)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2005, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-shield-season-4-episode-6/300164/56 "2005-04-22T17:03:39Z")
> [@Big Bad Voodoo Lou](#): > > I thought for sure that would become a plot point, but it was never mentioned again. I’m guessing with all of the above plot points mentioned that have not turned into main story lines, that the writers are either wanting us to be thrown off the path, or simply like to change direction a lot. Either way, I kinda like the fact that they don’t answer every question. I love it when I am reading a book and the author allows me to infer some of the story for myself, and I can do that when watching this show as well. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2005, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-shield-season-4-episode-6/300164/57 "2005-04-22T17:41:39Z")
> [@RancidYakButterTeaParty](#): > > I’m guessing with all of the above plot points mentioned that have not turned into main story lines, that the writers are either wanting us to be thrown off the path, or simply like to change direction a lot. > > Either way, I kinda like the fact that they don’t answer every question. I love it when I am reading a book and the author allows me to infer some of the story for myself, and I can do that when watching this show as well. While I’d like to give the writers the benefit of a doubt, they might simply have planned a storyline, laid the groundwork (laptop), didn’t like it (or perhaps the producer or director didn’t) and let it drop. ---
**Author:** ![c\_goat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f4b2a3/32.png) [@c\_goat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/c_goat)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2005, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-shield-season-4-episode-6/300164/58 "2005-04-22T18:33:20Z")
I think those side plots with Dutch are just part of revealing his character. He’s obsessed with getting into the mind of the people he tries to catch. Choking the cat and looking at kiddie porn is just Dutch trying to understand the bad guys. He wanted to know what that killer felt when killing someone, so he choked the cat to death. He wanted to find out what a rapist who goes after children would be excited about, so he looked at some kiddie porn. He thinks he’ll be a better detective that way. ---
**Author:** ![RancidYakButterTeaParty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/53a042/32.png) [@RancidYakButterTeaParty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RancidYakButterTeaParty)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2005, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-shield-season-4-episode-6/300164/59 "2005-04-23T00:18:20Z")
> [@c\_goat](#): > > I think those side plots with Dutch are just part of revealing his character. He’s obsessed with getting into the mind of the people he tries to catch. Choking the cat and looking at kiddie porn is just Dutch trying to understand the bad guys. He wanted to know what that killer felt when killing someone, so he choked the cat to death. He wanted to find out what a rapist who goes after children would be excited about, so he looked at some kiddie porn. He thinks he’ll be a better detective that way. A very interesting theory indeed. I could definitely see Dutch going this route. Does this mean he will eventually be willing to kill someone himself? Is he that addicted to the mind of a killer? He fits the typical serial killer profile. Hmmm… ---
**Author:** ![archmichael](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/bb73d2/32.png) [@archmichael](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/archmichael)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2005, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-shield-season-4-episode-6/300164/60 "2005-04-23T02:49:50Z")
> [@c\_goat](#): > > I think those side plots with Dutch are just part of revealing his character. He’s obsessed with getting into the mind of the people he tries to catch. Choking the cat and looking at kiddie porn is just Dutch trying to understand the bad guys. He wanted to know what that killer felt when killing someone, so he choked the cat to death. He wanted to find out what a rapist who goes after children would be excited about, so he looked at some kiddie porn. He thinks he’ll be a better detective that way. I would agree with **RancidYakButterTeaParty**. Very interesting. Especially when you considered that he got shut down by that serial killer. Dutch was trying to empathize with him. The killer looked into his soul and saw that Dutch didn’t know what he was talking about. Sure he was book learned, but it’s kind of like a virgin reading about sex. You can read every book in the world about, but unless you’ve tried it you wont truly understand. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-shield-season-4-episode-6/300164.md?page=2)