# The SIH (Suffer in Hell) Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 13, 2024, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sih-suffer-in-hell-thread/1000217 "2024-04-13T02:46:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2025, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sih-suffer-in-hell-thread/1000217/81 "2025-01-11T14:01:31Z")
BTW count me among those who had abevigodaed her and assumed she must have passed nearer the turn of the century. > [@Slithy\_Tove](#): > > grant us the right to understand without judgement; if for no other reason than the other side judges without understanding. As already mentioned the response would be “we fully understand she was a bigot and because we understand we judge her accordingly”. ---
**Author:** ![Roderick\_Femm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/roderick_femm/32/14875_2.png) [@Roderick\_Femm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Roderick_Femm)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2025, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sih-suffer-in-hell-thread/1000217/82 "2025-01-11T19:54:22Z")
> [@JRDelirious](#): > > because we understand we judge her accordingly as being someone who accepted whatever outside influences may have affected her attitudes in this matter, and apparently never questioned or doubted them. Something which she had the agency to do, even if she only kept her doubts to herself. Or, much worse, as someone who knew what she said wasn’t true, and said it anyway to gain influence and attention. ---
**Author:** ![Maserschmidt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maserschmidt/32/18829_2.png) [@Maserschmidt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maserschmidt)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2025, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sih-suffer-in-hell-thread/1000217/83 "2025-07-23T21:30:05Z")
The man who defended Rush Limbaugh, William Kennedy Smith, and Jeffrey Epstein (among others) has died. I hope he’s experiencing a warm reception today. [Roy Black, famed defense attorney for Rush Limbaugh and Jeffrey Epstein, dies after illustrious career](https://nypost.com/2025/07/23/us-news/roy-black-famed-defense-attorney-for-rush-limbaugh-and-jeffrey-epstein-dies-after-illustrious-career/) ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2025, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sih-suffer-in-hell-thread/1000217/84 "2025-07-23T21:40:36Z")
Unless you can show he did something unethical, I’m not seeing why he should suffer in hell. Even the worst offenders deserve representation in court. The fact they could afford someone as good as him isn’t his fault. The Perry Masonesque “Defense lawyers should only defend the innocent” attitude is ridiculous. ---
**Author:** ![Maserschmidt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maserschmidt/32/18829_2.png) [@Maserschmidt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maserschmidt)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2025, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sih-suffer-in-hell-thread/1000217/85 "2025-07-23T21:42:13Z")
Sure, everyone gets a defense, but some people are just way better at it than homegrown prosecutors. Plus, a man with all that intelligence could have used it for something better than “they deserve all the defense their $$$ can buy.” Just my opinion, muldoon. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2025, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sih-suffer-in-hell-thread/1000217/86 "2025-07-24T02:30:36Z")
> [@muldoonthief](#): > > Unless you can show he did something unethical, I’m not seeing why he should suffer in hell. Agreed. Everyone is entitled to due process which includes representation. Even scumbags deserve lawyers. Now, when those lawyers themselves break the law and violate ethics rules (like Trump’s lawyers tend to do), they can rot in Hell. But having a despicable client doesn’t make a lawyer a bad person. ---
**Author:** ![Maserschmidt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maserschmidt/32/18829_2.png) [@Maserschmidt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maserschmidt)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2025, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sih-suffer-in-hell-thread/1000217/87 "2025-07-24T02:39:56Z")
Somehow people have conflated “entitlement to due process” with “the person doing the defending is not a bad person”, as though a legal right and a moral right are the same thing. And I don’t agree with the two of you about that. > **[THE VERDICT | Vanity Fair](https://archive.vanityfair.com/article/1992/3/the-verdict)** > > Patricia Bowman and the Florida state prosecutors may have been blown away by the Kennedys' pageant of piety in Palm Beach. But as DOMINICK DUNNE discovers in conversations with her mother and stepfather—patriarch of the other Irish Catholic family... Dominic Dunne’s essay on what happens when a highfalutin highly paid lawyer meets a public prosecutor gets to the point, though warning, it’s very long. If you’re not interested in reading it, that’s fine, here’s a little amusing tidbit completely unrelated to our discussion: > Robert Kennedy Jr., an environmental lawyer who was there with his brother Michael, was dissatisfied with his seat. The courtroom was very small. There were sixteen seats for the public and sixteen seats for the media. The Kennedy family had three seats allotted to them, as did the family and friends of Patricia Bowman. Kennedy wanted to sit on the aisle, but a man and a woman were already sitting in the two aisle seats. He went over and asked them to change places. They refused. Rebuffed, he returned to his seat and glared at them. He then rose, passed the couple, and went to the bailiff in the rear of the courtroom to ask him to ask the people to move so that he and his brother could sit there. The bailiff said the seating was first come, first served. > > Still not ready to give up, Kennedy went back to the couple and said, “We’d really like to sit here while Will is on the stand.” The woman replied, “We would have liked to sit in these seats when Patty was testifying.” “You don’t understand, we’re family,” said Kennedy, as if that would make them scramble. “No, _you_ don’t understand, _I’m_ family,” replied the man, who turned out to be Shawn O’Neil, one of Patricia Bowman’s stepbrothers, who was sitting with Anne Seymour of the National Victim Center. ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2025, 11:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sih-suffer-in-hell-thread/1000217/88 "2025-07-24T11:56:43Z")
> [@Maserschmidt](#): > > Somehow people have conflated “entitlement to due process” with “the person doing the defending is not a bad person”, as though a legal right and a moral right are the same thing. And I don’t agree with the two of you about that. It seems more like you’re conflating “a lawyer who defends a morally reprehensible defendant is a morally reprehensible lawyer.” ---
**Author:** ![Maserschmidt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maserschmidt/32/18829_2.png) [@Maserschmidt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maserschmidt)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2025, 12:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sih-suffer-in-hell-thread/1000217/89 "2025-07-24T12:06:00Z")
No, I’m saying they’re a morally reprehensible person. ETA: also, as I said, it’s the way lawyers particularly like this lawyer approach the act of justice. Again, feel free to skim the Dunne article. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2025, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sih-suffer-in-hell-thread/1000217/90 "2025-07-24T14:03:02Z")
I skimmed it which was difficult because the shitty web page is half-covered by a demand that I sign up for a subscription. I found Roy Black mentioned but I didn’t see anything on a skim that seemed bad. And I’m not going to read an extremely long, boring article to dig up what you’re trying to hint at. The part you quoted was a minor annoyance about courtroom seating (big deal) and had nothing to do with Roy Black. ---
**Author:** ![Maserschmidt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maserschmidt/32/18829_2.png) [@Maserschmidt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maserschmidt)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2025, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sih-suffer-in-hell-thread/1000217/91 "2025-07-24T14:09:39Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > The part you quoted was a minor annoyance about courtroom seating (big deal) and had nothing to do with Roy Black. … > [@Maserschmidt](#): > > If you’re not interested in reading it, that’s fine, here’s a little amusing tidbit **completely unrelated to our discussion** : ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2025, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sih-suffer-in-hell-thread/1000217/92 "2025-07-24T14:10:05Z")
Sorry, I missed that. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2025, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sih-suffer-in-hell-thread/1000217/93 "2025-08-21T14:08:25Z")
Really, the thread title says it all. > **[James Dobson, founder of Focus on the Family, has died](https://www.the-journal.com/articles/james-dobson-founder-of-focus-on-the-family-has-died/)** > > COLORADO SPRINGS, Co. (AP) — Dr. James Dobson, a politically influential child psychologist who started a radio show counseling Christians on how to be good parents, founded the conservative ministry ... Dobson made it his life’s work to bring misery and hardship to millions through lies, hypocrisy and grift, all in the name of Christ. I wish him well in his attempts to explain why to Jesus in person. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2025, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sih-suffer-in-hell-thread/1000217/94 "2025-08-21T14:12:12Z")
Jesus makes house calls in hell? ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2025, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sih-suffer-in-hell-thread/1000217/95 "2025-08-21T14:13:31Z")
I was assuming the conversation happens before then, but the Bible is rather vague about the specific details of posthumous housing assignment processes. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2025, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sih-suffer-in-hell-thread/1000217/96 "2025-08-21T15:55:00Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Really, the thread title says it all. > [James Dobson, founder of Focus on the Family, has died - The Journal](https://www.the-journal.com/articles/james-dobson-founder-of-focus-on-the-family-has-died/) > > Dobson made it his life’s work to bring misery and hardship to millions through lies, hypocrisy and grift, all in the name of Christ. > > I wish him well in his attempts to explain why to Jesus in person. _De mortuis, nil nisi bonum_ _Iacobus Dobson mortuus est. Bene._ ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2025, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sih-suffer-in-hell-thread/1000217/97 "2025-08-21T15:59:56Z")
Focus On The Funeral. ---
**Author:** ![pjd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pjd/32/3009_2.png) [@pjd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pjd)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2025, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sih-suffer-in-hell-thread/1000217/98 "2025-08-21T18:18:59Z")
There appears to be a word missing? _De mortuis, nihil nisi bene loquimini._ _Iacobus Dobson mortuus est. Bene._ ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2025, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sih-suffer-in-hell-thread/1000217/99 "2025-08-21T18:21:17Z")
[Moderating] Just a quick reminder that all posts on the SDMB should be in English. [/Moderating] ---
**Author:** ![Tride](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tride/32/13907_2.png) [@Tride](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tride)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2025, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sih-suffer-in-hell-thread/1000217/100 "2025-08-21T19:52:45Z")
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