# The Simpsons - 9/17 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [September 18, 2006, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-simpsons-9-17/373142 "2006-09-18T03:23:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/41988e/32.png) [@El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Cid_Viscoso)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2006, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-simpsons-9-17/373142/41 "2006-09-20T21:28:03Z")
[QUOTE=Cisco] I thought it was Chuck Mangione. [/quote] I think it’s the writer [(Meyer)](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e0/Meyer2.jpg) who gets fired in the Poochie episode for suggesting “paradigm” is just a word stupid people use to sound smart. This was a great show. For me, it’s a vindication of the whole Bleeding Gums Murphy debacle where Lisa sings about the Jazz Man testifying. This ep makes real Jazz accessible and it gives another kid out there a damn good reason to take up the drums. Awesome. ---
**Author:** ![randwill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/a3d4f5/32.png) [@randwill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/randwill)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2006, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-simpsons-9-17/373142/42 "2006-09-20T21:42:57Z")
[QUOTE=El Cid Viscoso] I think it’s the writer [(Meyer)](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e0/Meyer2.jpg) who gets fired in the Poochie episode for suggesting “paradigm” is just a word stupid people use to sound smart. This was a great show. For me, it’s a vindication of the whole Bleeding Gums Murphy debacle where Lisa sings about the Jazz Man testifying. This ep makes real Jazz accessible and it gives another kid out there a damn good reason to take up the drums. Awesome. [/QUOTE] I’m an old drummer and I’m all for kids taking up drums or any instrument. But what I’m looking for in a Simpsons episode is smart laughs. Or at least laughs. ---
**Author:** ![AuntiePam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@AuntiePam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AuntiePam)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2006, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-simpsons-9-17/373142/43 "2006-09-20T21:51:50Z")
There’s no Family Guy thread and this question isn’t important enough to justify one – does anyone know who was voice of Mother Tucker? Was it Phyllis Diller? My Tivo cut off the credits. ---
**Author:** ![whole\_bean](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/96bed5/32.png) [@whole\_bean](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/whole_bean)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2006, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-simpsons-9-17/373142/44 "2006-09-20T22:10:22Z")
I’ve got some of the dvds from seasons five and six in my DVD player right now – Bart vs. Australia, Homer vs. Patty & Selma, the PTA Disbands, Lisa’s Rival, Grandpa vs. Sexual Inadequacy, the one where Homer teaches continuing ed., the Treehouse of Horrors with the “Shinning,” Sweet Seynmour Skinner’s Baad Asssss Song! . . then Sunday night I watch this. It’s like watching a dirty movie you made with your white hot college girlfriend then bumping into her at Publix, here it is 15 years later and she’s gotten an ass-annex and a FUPA. Some of the features are the same, but much of the awesomeness is gone. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/41988e/32.png) [@El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Cid_Viscoso)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2006, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-simpsons-9-17/373142/45 "2006-09-21T00:18:19Z")
[QUOTE=randwill] what I’m looking for… is… laughs. [/QUOTE] Then you’re out of the club. I want incisive, bitter, possibly angry humor and by jiminy they’ve got it at 80 rods to the hogshead! ---
**Author:** ![Cisco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ccd318/32.png) [@Cisco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cisco)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2006, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-simpsons-9-17/373142/46 "2006-09-21T02:12:10Z")
[QUOTE=AuntiePam] There’s no Family Guy thread and this question isn’t important enough to justify one – does anyone know who was voice of Mother Tucker? Was it Phyllis Diller? My Tivo cut off the credits. [/QUOTE] Riiiiiiiight . . . because the Simpsons and Family Guy are the same thing . . . See the last Simpsons thread - or any other one since that turd got inexplicably unflushed - for further reading. ---
**Author:** ![BabaBooey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/dfb087/32.png) [@BabaBooey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BabaBooey)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2006, 3:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-simpsons-9-17/373142/47 "2006-09-21T03:42:49Z")
Could someone tell me the name of the song played while Lisa walked side by side with the two dogs and bird? ---
**Author:** ![mobo85](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b19c9b/32.png) [@mobo85](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mobo85)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2006, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-simpsons-9-17/373142/48 "2006-09-21T03:51:35Z")
[QUOTE=El Cid Viscoso] For me, it’s a vindication of the whole Bleeding Gums Murphy debacle where Lisa sings about the Jazz Man testifying. [/QUOTE] Ooh! This gives me a chance to post one of my favorite insults-in-a-footnote-in-a-book of all time: Chris Turner’s dissing of this very song in _Planet Simpson_: > [@Chris Turner](#): > > In Episode 2F32…Lisa bumps into Bleeding Gums at the local hospital…The result is “Jazzman,” a cover of a 1974 Top Ten hit by Carole King. I can’t speak for King’s original, but the version played-_twice_- by Lisa and Bleeding Gums is far and away the worst song ever on _The Simpsons_ (and I include in this assessment Homer’s “Mr. Plow” rap jingle, which is at least funny). The Simpsonized “Jazzman” is an overwrought, middle-of-the-road, lite-jazz abomination that verges on the jazz-for-people-who-don’t-actually-like-jazz territory epitomized by Kenny G. It is to the Thelonious Monk tune (“'Round Midnight”) referenced in the episode’s title as food-court Chinese with its chicken balls and neon-red sauces is to classical Szechwan cuisine: syrupy, mildly nauseating and pretty much entirely unrelated to the style it claims to be celebrating.\* How well-written an insult that is. I like the song, but I’ll agree that it ain’t jazz. [sub]pp. 201-202. ©2004 Chris Turner. Published by De Capo Press, Cambridge, Mass.[/sub] ---
**Author:** ![Cisco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ccd318/32.png) [@Cisco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cisco)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2006, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-simpsons-9-17/373142/49 "2006-09-21T04:01:38Z")
[QUOTE=BabaBooey] Could someone tell me the name of the song played while Lisa walked side by side with the two dogs and bird? [/QUOTE] I think it’s called Little Green Bag - I have it on the _Reservoir Dogs_ soundtrack. ---
**Author:** ![Wee\_Bairn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/90db22/32.png) [@Wee\_Bairn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wee_Bairn)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2006, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-simpsons-9-17/373142/50 "2006-09-21T13:59:30Z")
When you can watch an entire 22 minute Simpsons episode and, like almost all of the above posts, be able to only mention one maybe two jokes you liked or mildly liked, that says everything that need be said. ---
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2006, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-simpsons-9-17/373142/51 "2006-09-21T14:57:00Z")
[QUOTE=Cisco] Riiiiiiiight . . . because the Simpsons and Family Guy are the same thing . . . See the last Simpsons thread - or any other one since that turd got inexplicably unflushed - for further reading. [/QUOTE] Wow, that response was really, really uncalled for. **AuntiePam** explained very clearly why she was asking the question here, and there is obviously a lot of overlap between Simpsons and FG viewers. Not only do you not answer the question, you act like a jerk about it. If her askign the question really got you that upset, maybe you should seek some form of anger management or other professional help. ANyway, yes, to answer the question, Phyllis Diller did voice the charatcer. ---
**Author:** ![AuntiePam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@AuntiePam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AuntiePam)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2006, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-simpsons-9-17/373142/52 "2006-09-21T16:48:33Z")
[QUOTE=Otto] ANyway, yes, to answer the question, Phyllis Diller did voice the charatcer. [/QUOTE] Thanks, Otto. 🙂 I didn’t take offense at **Cisco** ’s response. I knew it was risky, asking the question here, but there was a Family Guy reference earlier in the thread, so I knew **somebody** here would have watched it. ---
**Author:** ![whole\_bean](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/96bed5/32.png) [@whole\_bean](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/whole_bean)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2006, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-simpsons-9-17/373142/53 "2006-09-21T18:06:24Z")
[QUOTE=El Cid Viscoso] Then you’re out of the club. I want incisive, bitter, possibly angry humor and by jiminy they’ve got it at 80 rods to the hogshead! [/QUOTE] . . . a joke from “A Star is Burns,” the 6th season, which is telling . . . namely of the fact that there has been little fodder for a humourous line drop in near ten years. How someone familiar with the once great series can find anything even slightly redeeming about the newer shite is beyond me. It makes me want to be violent. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/41988e/32.png) [@El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Cid_Viscoso)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2006, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-simpsons-9-17/373142/54 "2006-09-21T20:58:48Z")
[QUOTE=whole bean] How someone familiar with the once great series can find anything even slightly redeeming about the newer shite is beyond me. [/QUOTE] Just as in my allusion to “Jazz Man” (and that scathing review, holy crap mobo85) the show varies widely. To me it’s like eating a pie cooked over a campfire: sometimes it’s tasty, sometimes it’s squishy, occasionally it’s crunchy, often it’s an undercooked mess. But you’re always better off _with_ the pie than without it. Think about that, willya? In all earnestness though, sometimes I wonder if I’m not giving them Harvard boys enough credit. Is it possible they made such an insipid storyline with the express purpose of forcing me to download “The Hardest Button to Button”? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![whole\_bean](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/96bed5/32.png) [@whole\_bean](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/whole_bean)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2006, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-simpsons-9-17/373142/55 "2006-09-21T21:12:26Z")
[QUOTE=El Cid Viscoso] Just as in my allusion to “Jazz Man” (and that scathing review, holy crap mobo85) the show varies widely. To me it’s like eating a pie cooked over a campfire: sometimes it’s tasty, sometimes it’s squishy, occasionally it’s crunchy, often it’s an undercooked mess. But you’re always better off _with_ the pie than without it. Think about that, willya? In all earnestness though, sometimes I wonder if I’m not giving them Harvard boys enough credit. Is it possible they made such an insipid storyline with the express purpose of forcing me to download “The Hardest Button to Button”? 😃 [/QUOTE] Lately (oh, the last 5 years), we’ve been getting a lot more runny messes and a lot less tasty. It truly feels like a different show, in much the same way that season one and season five feel like different shows. I just feel that the ratio of “Jazz Man” episodes to “Homer the Great” episodes has reversed. I must admit, Jazz Man makes me shudder. It is the only episode on my dvd I will not watch. ---
**Author:** ![mobo85](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b19c9b/32.png) [@mobo85](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mobo85)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2006, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-simpsons-9-17/373142/56 "2006-09-22T00:35:19Z")
[QUOTE=El Cid Viscoso] (and that scathing review, holy crap mobo85) [/QUOTE] It’s not my opinion- I told you I was quoting somebody else! Jeez, first the Pope and now me. ---
**Author:** ![Cisco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ccd318/32.png) [@Cisco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cisco)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2006, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-simpsons-9-17/373142/57 "2006-09-22T01:00:31Z")
[QUOTE=Otto] Wow, that response was really, really uncalled for. **AuntiePam** explained very clearly why she was asking the question here, and there is obviously a lot of overlap between Simpsons and FG viewers. Not only do you not answer the question, you act like a jerk about it. If her askign the question really got you that upset, maybe you should seek some form of anger management or other professional help. [/QUOTE] Yes, I need anger management and other professional help :rolleyes:. You should take acting classes; channel that drama into something positive. ---
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2006, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-simpsons-9-17/373142/58 "2006-09-22T03:14:32Z")
[QUOTE=Cisco] Yes, I need anger management and other professional help :rolleyes:. [/QUOTE] I’ll settle for your not acting like a jerk. ---
**Author:** ![Cisco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ccd318/32.png) [@Cisco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cisco)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2006, 1:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-simpsons-9-17/373142/59 "2006-09-22T13:28:31Z")
[QUOTE=Otto] I’ll settle for your not acting like a jerk. [/QUOTE] How 'bout just explaining why it was _really, really uncalled for_ for me to point out that The Simpsons does not equal Family Guy **in a Simpsons thread**? Might be a little different if this was a thread about animated tv shows. Or a thread about comedies. Or a thread about a lot of other things, but would you bust up a thread about Napa Valley to ask a Bartles and Jaymes question? ---
**Author:** ![Spiff](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spiff/32/9852_2.png) [@Spiff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spiff)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2006, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-simpsons-9-17/373142/60 "2006-09-22T14:28:41Z")
Sheesh, **Cisco**. Don’t have a cow, man. P.S. I liked this episode. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-simpsons-9-17/373142.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-simpsons-9-17/373142.md?page=4)