# The snowflakes are out in force **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 19, 2016, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-snowflakes-are-out-in-force/775182 "2016-12-19T21:11:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![doubleminus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/5daacb/32.png) [@doubleminus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doubleminus)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2016, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-snowflakes-are-out-in-force/775182/101 "2016-12-21T03:25:42Z")
As a non-American, I tell you, Trump is good for liberals, you’ll do well. On the average, you are richer and more educated than his voters, and also live in growth areas. Trump will probably make his supporters’ life even more miserable, and they deserve that. Sorry for that, I can’t help it. His ass-ass-i-nation, if it will happen, will be by a deplorable. On the other hand, _we_ may get fucked. Or not. Who knows. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2016, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-snowflakes-are-out-in-force/775182/102 "2016-12-21T03:37:56Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > You do realize that facts bounce off **Clothahump** like BBs off an elephant? > > The most pathetic thing is that he thinks Trump has anything at all to do with the real world. Everything Trump promises is a magical fantasy with no actual plan as to how to make it a reality. > > But **Clothahump** thinks that _he’s_ the tough minded realist. The perfect picture of a Trump voter. Oh yeah, Trump is real tough. that’s why he handles things like a real man… At 3 AM on Twitter, over minor or nonexistent slights that don’t even matter … Like a god damn whiny little bitch. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2016, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-snowflakes-are-out-in-force/775182/103 "2016-12-21T04:02:17Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > Oh yeah, Trump is real tough. that’s why he handles things like a real man… > At 3 AM on Twitter, over minor or nonexistent slights that don’t even matter … > Like a god damn whiny little bitch. Or a special, fragile snowflake. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2016, 4:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-snowflakes-are-out-in-force/775182/104 "2016-12-21T04:21:19Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > . . . Trump threatens to cut OUR funding? GOOD! What we pay out far exceeds what we take in anyway. Talk about empty threats. . . . Far from it, alas. He will continue to take the money, and simply refuse to give it back. We’ll still have to file and pay our income tax; the fascist elect will cut off funds for schools and hospitals until we comply with his illegal demands. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2016, 5:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-snowflakes-are-out-in-force/775182/105 "2016-12-21T05:09:09Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > If you mean the board has declined, I disagree. It’s for the better that this particular cohort has a place here - the short-term satisfaction of banning them would ultimately weaken the board, turning it into other boards that select for conformity. > > If you mean the right-wing has declined over the years, then… absolutely. I don’t agree at all. Sure, we want diversity of ideas here. But we still want them to be intelligent. I don’t think the board benefits at all from low intelligence conservatives who only post about politics and related issues. Heck, it does a disservice to the liberals, who can easily out think these guys. So we think we’re far better equipped than we really are. I mean, I guess it’s good for some catharsis. But that’s about it. ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2016, 5:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-snowflakes-are-out-in-force/775182/106 "2016-12-21T05:29:35Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > I don’t agree at all. Sure, we want diversity of ideas here. But we still want them to be intelligent. I don’t think the board benefits at all from low intelligence conservatives who only post about politics and related issues. > > Heck, it does a disservice to the liberals, who can easily out think these guys. So we think we’re far better equipped than we really are. > > I mean, I guess it’s good for some catharsis. But that’s about it. I agree. There’s a thousand examples of discussions that never get past a certain right/left conflict point, and this is the result of rightie trolling. IMHO of course. And the points made are just beyond absurd. It’s a buzzkill for thoughtful speech. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2016, 5:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-snowflakes-are-out-in-force/775182/107 "2016-12-21T05:53:44Z")
> [@](#): > > …Did you forget: They turned the frogs gay. I want to take a moment to commend my fellow Dopers for having the good judgement to refrain from any crude, vulgar and juvenile jokes about gay frogs. It shows a maturity that I can freely admire without the slightest intent to emulate. ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2016, 5:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-snowflakes-are-out-in-force/775182/108 "2016-12-21T05:57:29Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > I want to take a moment to commend my fellow Dopers for having the good judgement to refrain from any crude, vulgar and juvenile jokes about gay frogs. It shows a maturity that I can freely admire without the slightest intent to emulate. When I’ve seen a republican wooing a frog it’s always a lady. They ain’t no queers. AFAIK. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2016, 6:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-snowflakes-are-out-in-force/775182/109 "2016-12-21T06:21:28Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > I want to take a moment to commend my fellow Dopers for having the good judgement to refrain from any crude, vulgar and juvenile jokes about gay frogs. It shows a maturity that I can freely admire without the slightest intent to emulate. You know what they say about gay frogs. They love the _oui oui_. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2016, 6:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-snowflakes-are-out-in-force/775182/110 "2016-12-21T06:46:26Z")
> [@Grrr](#): > > I really wish my fellow Libs would stop their whining. Because pretty soon, we’re all going to be unhappy… So Liberals should stop complaining about the bad things that are going to happen because soon bad things are going to happen. Brilliant. Not a single “Lib” is whining. Whining is complaining about shit that doesn’t matter. ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2016, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-snowflakes-are-out-in-force/775182/111 "2016-12-21T14:16:53Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > We are definitely all (well, all except perhaps the most determinedly fact-averse Trump supporters like **Clothahump** who can successfully ignore any evidence that contradicts their preferred propaganda) soon going to be unhappy about disastrous and exploitative policy decisions on the part of the incoming administration. If any facts or evidence had been shown, it would not have been ignored. All that has been shown is liberal snowflakes whining and howling like broke-dick dogs because they didn’t get their way. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2016, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-snowflakes-are-out-in-force/775182/112 "2016-12-21T14:24:01Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > If any facts or evidence had been shown, it would not have been ignored. All that has been shown is liberal snowflakes whining and howling like broke-dick dogs because they didn’t get their way. Right – I keep forgetting that it’s impossible to honestly and reasonably disagree with **Clothahump** – everyone who does so is either stupid or dishonest. Thankfully, you keep reminding us. ---
**Author:** ![Grrr](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grrr/32/146_2.png) [@Grrr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grrr)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2016, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-snowflakes-are-out-in-force/775182/113 "2016-12-21T14:30:15Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > So Liberals should stop complaining about the bad things that are going to happen because soon bad things are going to happen. Brilliant. > > Not a single “Lib” is whining. Whining is complaining about shit that doesn’t matter. No amount of complaining is going to change the fact that Donald Trump is going to be our President. We complained about this fuck head for two years. And look what that got us. Donald Trump as fucking President. But hey, if you want to do more of the same thinking it will get us different results… Well… that’s one way to go… Not exactly brilliant in my opinion. Quite the opposite actually. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2016, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-snowflakes-are-out-in-force/775182/114 "2016-12-21T14:45:17Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > If any facts or evidence had been shown, it would not have been ignored. All that has been shown is liberal snowflakes whining and howling like broke-dick dogs because they didn’t get their way. No, all that’s been shown is that you’re so goddamn stupid that you couldn’t spell “cat” if we spotted you the C and the A. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2016, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-snowflakes-are-out-in-force/775182/115 "2016-12-21T14:46:01Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > If any facts or evidence had been shown, it would not have been ignored. Multiple facts have been shown in, for instance, **SteveG1** ’s post #94. You have ignored them entirely, in favor of your frothing fact-free rhetoric about snowflakes and unicorns and rainbows and dogs. Political “discourse” must be a lot easier the way you do it, with free-floating detachment from all factual detail. But your version produces absolutely nothing of substance. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2016, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-snowflakes-are-out-in-force/775182/116 "2016-12-21T14:48:36Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > Multiple facts have been shown in, for instance, **SteveG1** ’s post #94. You have ignored them entirely, in favor of your frothing fact-free rhetoric about snowflakes and unicorns and rainbows and dogs. > > **Political “discourse” must be a lot easier the way you do it, with free-floating detachment from all factual detail. But your version produces absolutely nothing of substance.** Unfortunately, that describes the incoming administration. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2016, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-snowflakes-are-out-in-force/775182/117 "2016-12-21T14:55:17Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Right – I keep forgetting that it’s impossible to honestly and reasonably disagree with **Clothahump** – everyone who does so is either stupid or dishonest. I believe the appropriate word here is **projection**. \*\*Clothy \*\*is stupid and dishonest, so he assumes the same of everyone who disagrees with him. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2016, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-snowflakes-are-out-in-force/775182/118 "2016-12-21T14:55:41Z")
> [@Grrr](#): > > No amount of complaining is going to change the fact that Donald Trump is going to be our President. > > We complained about this fuck head for two years. And look what that got us. Donald Trump as fucking President. > > But hey, if you want to do more of the same thinking it will get us different results… I think your fundamental mistake is imagining that liberals are somehow responsible for Donald Trump’s election. We’re not. The people who voted for him and otherwise supported him bear that responsibility. Stop fretting that it’s somehow all on us liberals to manage to achieve “different results”. What’s on us is to keep this venture more or less in touch with reality by reasoned analysis and critique, and supporting valid goals. But it’s not our responsibility to make wilfully stupid and ignorant self-appointed adversaries somehow magically decide not to be wilfully stupid and ignorant. In the meantime, since you’re back, do you have any responses to the questions I asked you a few posts ago? > [@Kimstu](#): > > Which are the Trump administration policies you think we should just stop criticizing and accept without demur? Defunding Planned Parenthood? Increasing the deficit with massive upper-bracket tax cuts? Import-shrinking trade wars? Ignoring the Paris climate agreement? Reversing civil-rights gains for gay and transgender people? Not releasing tax returns or ceasing to pursue his personal business interests as part of his Presidency? Eliminating reproductive rights? What? > > What **specific** things that Republicans are saying do you advise Democrats to “listen to”, in the sense of accepting them without criticism or disagreement? Please, I’m all ears. Or do you prefer just continuing to sneer vaguely at liberals for “complaining” too much rather than somehow unilaterally making effective solutions appear by some unspecified alternative to “complaining”? ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2016, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-snowflakes-are-out-in-force/775182/119 "2016-12-21T15:05:59Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > I don’t agree at all. Sure, we want diversity of ideas here. But we still want them to be intelligent. I don’t think the board benefits at all from low intelligence conservatives who only post about politics and related issues. > > Heck, it does a disservice to the liberals, who can easily out think these guys. So we think we’re far better equipped than we really are. > > I mean, I guess it’s good for some catharsis. But that’s about it. I agree. They are immune to fact, they are immune to cites that contradict them, they are immune to actual documented history, they are immune to logical or reality based discussion,and they are spewing the same brand of horse shit they’ve been spewing for years. That’s why some of us (meaning me) have been showing a shorter and shorter tolerance and less patience. The deliberateness of it becomes rage inducing after a while. It’s the same clowns every time too. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2016, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-snowflakes-are-out-in-force/775182/120 "2016-12-21T15:07:50Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > So Liberals should stop complaining about the bad things that are going to happen because soon bad things are going to happen. Brilliant. > > Not a single “Lib” is whining. Whining is complaining about shit that doesn’t matter. Like Trump does on Twitter, over Vanity Fair and Saturday Night Live? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-snowflakes-are-out-in-force/775182.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-snowflakes-are-out-in-force/775182.md?page=7)