# The Sooners bum out an entire state. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2003, 4:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sooners-bum-out-an-entire-state/217498 "2003-12-07T04:16:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Gorsnak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gorsnak/32/7587_2.png) [@Gorsnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorsnak)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2003, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sooners-bum-out-an-entire-state/217498/21 "2003-12-07T16:29:26Z")
Henceforth **Dewey** shall be known as **Dewey Bobbitt Undhow**. ---
**Author:** ![Rhum\_Runner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/2bfe46/32.png) [@Rhum\_Runner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rhum_Runner)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2003, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sooners-bum-out-an-entire-state/217498/22 "2003-12-07T16:36:21Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by John Carter of Mars \* > \*\*BCS: No matter how it winds up, two of the best three teams will play each other for the championship. Prior to the BCS, USC would have been in the Rose Bowl, Oklahoma in the Orange and LSU in the Sugar. Then everybody would have been playing guessing games when the bowls were over. > \*\* Not a flame, just a disagreement. Prior to the BCS all of those games would have been a ton of fun to watch, and the debate over #1 was fun as well. Now, the Rose Bowl, which could be the best game of the whole bowl seasson if USC plays U of M won’t mean anything. I don’t want a playoff, I don’t want the BCS, I want the old bowl system back. Go Blue! ---
**Author:** ![Neurotik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/91b2a8/32.png) [@Neurotik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Neurotik)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2003, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sooners-bum-out-an-entire-state/217498/23 "2003-12-07T16:44:38Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Gorsnak \* > \*\*Err. How is that a playoff? Or do you intend for the winners of your bowls to play in semifinals and a final later in January? \*\* Oh yeah. Left that part out. ---
**Author:** ![rexnervous](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e9c0ed/32.png) [@rexnervous](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rexnervous)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2003, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sooners-bum-out-an-entire-state/217498/24 "2003-12-07T16:50:00Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Rhum Runner \* > \*\*Not a flame, just a disagreement. Prior to the BCS all of those games would have been a ton of fun to watch, and the debate over #1 was fun as well. Now, the Rose Bowl, which could be the best game of the whole bowl seasson if USC plays U of M won’t mean anything. I don’t want a playoff, I don’t want the BCS, I want the old bowl system back. > > Go Blue! \*\* USC v. Michigan in the Rose would be a great game to watch. But you are wrong that it won’t mean anything - the national championship is still decided by the polls, and only the ESPN/USA Today one is required to choose the BCS winner as its #1. AP poll can choose whomever they want, and if USC wins, they’ll win part of a split national championship with the winner of the Sugar Bowl. Of course, the ENTIRE reason (supposedly, not counting $$) of the BCS was to avoid a split national championship. Time for a playoff. ---
**Author:** ![Gorsnak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gorsnak/32/7587_2.png) [@Gorsnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorsnak)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2003, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sooners-bum-out-an-entire-state/217498/25 "2003-12-07T16:52:46Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Rhum Runner \* > \*\*Not a flame, just a disagreement. Prior to the BCS all of those games would have been a ton of fun to watch, and the debate over #1 was fun as well. Now, the Rose Bowl, which could be the best game of the whole bowl seasson if USC plays U of M won’t mean anything. I don’t want a playoff, I don’t want the BCS, I want the old bowl system back. > > Go Blue! \*\* Actually, if (gods forbid) the Trojans win, there’s a good chance the AP will give them their half of the title. So if the BCS falls out as predicted, the Rose Bowl will be plenty significant. ---
**Author:** ![Rhum\_Runner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/2bfe46/32.png) [@Rhum\_Runner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rhum_Runner)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2003, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sooners-bum-out-an-entire-state/217498/26 "2003-12-07T17:23:50Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Gorsnak \* > \*\*Actually, if (gods forbid) the Trojans win, there’s a good chance the AP will give them their half of the title. So if the BCS falls out as predicted, the Rose Bowl will be plenty significant. \*\* Ok, you and \*\* rexnervous\*\* make a good point, and I guess I chose a bad example. 🙂 I just remember that when I was growing up, there were so many good games to watch on Jan. 1. The BCS has taken alot of the fun out of it, in my opinion. To me it isn’t so super important to have a #1-2 game to watch. Anyone look at some of the polls that go into the BCS rankings? There is one that had Miami (OH) at #4, ahead of Michigan, Georgia, Ohio St. etc…what a crock of shit. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2003, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sooners-bum-out-an-entire-state/217498/27 "2003-12-07T17:29:10Z")
Can’t wait til 4:30 (or whenever it it’s released) ---
**Author:** ![Beagle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/85f322/32.png) [@Beagle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beagle)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2003, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sooners-bum-out-an-entire-state/217498/28 "2003-12-07T17:41:07Z")
This was one of my best predictions – hopes – and I forgot to put it on the internet. About seven weeks ago I began telling all my friends that we had to hope for a bunch of one loss teams to really screw up the BCS. I kept saying “what if Oklahoma gets its ass whipped in the Big 12 Championship?” Well, now what? If only there were five or six teams. That was my original devious plan. Playoff, anyone? At least Florida might have given LSU a game. Now it has to be LSU – USC, but it might not be. P.S. Where’s the ACC with the apology for the officiating in the FSU game? I’ve seen Jim Rome call it the worst officiated game he’s ever seen also. ---
**Author:** ![Beagle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/85f322/32.png) [@Beagle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beagle)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2003, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sooners-bum-out-an-entire-state/217498/29 "2003-12-07T17:46:14Z")
By the way, nothing personal OU fans. That’s just the way it had to be. I like Stoopsie and would have wished this on anyone but the Gators. Also, I forgot the OTOH, should OU be punished for playing a conference championship game when the PAC 10 doesn’t have one? To counter my “It should be” anything. That’s just the point, it should be a playoff. OU has made as “compelling” a case as anyone. ---
**Author:** ![BubbaDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bubbadog/32/333_2.png) [@BubbaDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BubbaDog)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2003, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sooners-bum-out-an-entire-state/217498/30 "2003-12-07T20:56:42Z")
It’s funny this year. Oklahoma usually doesn’t choke until they’re _playing_ in a bowl game. Hence the nickname choke-lahoma. Now that they got their “choke” game out of the way I predict Olahoma will romp over whomever they play in whatever bowl game ---
**Author:** ![Mayfield\_St.Cloud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/67e7ee/32.png) [@Mayfield\_St.Cloud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mayfield_St.Cloud)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2003, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sooners-bum-out-an-entire-state/217498/31 "2003-12-07T21:10:05Z")
Nitpick- > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by John Carter of Mars \* > **Prior to the BCS, USC would have been in the Rose Bowl, Oklahoma in the Orange and LSU in the Sugar.** I believe, under the pre-BCS system, it would have been Kansas State in the Orange Bowl. They are, after all, the Big 12 Champions. ---
**Author:** ![Lucki\_Chaarms](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/9de0a6/32.png) [@Lucki\_Chaarms](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lucki_Chaarms)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2003, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sooners-bum-out-an-entire-state/217498/32 "2003-12-07T21:31:59Z")
I’m the most casual of sports-watchers, and I can’t think of a time that I’ve ever watched a game when I wasn’t in a group, so a lot of this talk of rankings and BCS and whatnot is going over my head. That said, watching football is a pretty fun social event, and I do enjoy it quite a bit in my way. In my blissfully ignorant opinion, watching OU get beat that badly was a blast, so I’m with **Dewey**. Regardless of what else it means, no Texas fan has any business rooting for OU, and watching them get slapped around by the 15th ranked team when they’re supposed to be unstoppable was damned enjoyable. LC ---
**Author:** ![eli\_the\_fanatic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ccd318/32.png) [@eli\_the\_fanatic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eli_the_fanatic)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2003, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sooners-bum-out-an-entire-state/217498/33 "2003-12-07T21:38:23Z")
In my ignorant opinion, Oklahoma will lose to LSU in the Sugar Bowl, Ohio State will beat Miami again in the Orange Bowl, Kansas State will beat Florida State in the Fiesta bowl, and Michigan will beat USC in the Rose Bowl. The Rose Bowl loss by USC will calm everyone about the injustice of them being left out of the Sugar Bowl. I’m glad the Rose Bowl will be something like a real Rose Bowl, Big 10 vs. Pac 10. You do know that the Rose Bowl is _the_ bowl game, right? ---
**Author:** ![Rhum\_Runner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/2bfe46/32.png) [@Rhum\_Runner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rhum_Runner)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2003, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sooners-bum-out-an-entire-state/217498/34 "2003-12-07T22:00:38Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by eli\_the\_fanatic \* > \*\*In my ignorant opinion, Oklahoma will lose to LSU in the Sugar Bowl, Ohio State will beat Miami again in the Orange Bowl, Kansas State will beat Florida State in the Fiesta bowl, and Michigan will beat USC in the Rose Bowl. The Rose Bowl loss by USC will calm everyone about the injustice of them being left out of the Sugar Bowl. > > I’m glad the Rose Bowl will be something like a real Rose Bowl, Big 10 vs. Pac 10. You do know that the Rose Bowl is _the_ bowl game, right? \*\* I would take the opposite teams in all those games. That is what makes college football the best sport in the land, endless foder for conversation! I’m also looking forward to the Big Ten/Pac Ten Rose Bowl, that’s the way it should be! ---
**Author:** ![eli\_the\_fanatic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ccd318/32.png) [@eli\_the\_fanatic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eli_the_fanatic)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2003, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sooners-bum-out-an-entire-state/217498/35 "2003-12-07T22:11:04Z")
I admit I’m biased… I always root for the Big 10, and I root for Midwestern teams over non-Midwestern teams. My pairings come from CNN-Sports Illustrated projections. And it is a REAL Rose Bowl… Big 10 Champ vs. Pac-10 Champ. I was not sure earlier if Michigan or Ohio State had wound up with the title. Sometime around when Minnesota lost the LBJ (or remained without it) after a disgusting 4th quarter implosion I stopped paying attention to the Big 10 race. I need to plan my Jan 1 around that tilt. ---
**Author:** ![Rhum\_Runner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/2bfe46/32.png) [@Rhum\_Runner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rhum_Runner)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2003, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sooners-bum-out-an-entire-state/217498/36 "2003-12-07T22:17:35Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by eli\_the\_fanatic \* > \*\*I admit I’m biased… I always root for the Big 10, and I root for Midwestern teams over non-Midwestern teams. My pairings come from CNN-Sports Illustrated projections. > > And it is a REAL Rose Bowl… Big 10 Champ vs. Pac-10 Champ. I was not sure earlier if Michigan or Ohio State had wound up with the title. Sometime around when Minnesota lost the LBJ (or remained without it) after a disgusting 4th quarter implosion I stopped paying attention to the Big 10 race. I need to plan my Jan 1 around that tilt. \*\* I’m a huge Big Ten fan as well, and I will be pulling for all the big ten teams, except Ohio State since they are demon spawn and the most over rated team this year. Miami will crush them, I think. Just like they did last year before the refs botched it. The only game I might agree with you on though is the Rose Bowl, Michigan may beat USC, but in a way I’d almost rather see Michigan lose if it means getting rid of, or at least fixing, the BCS. Go Blue! ---
**Author:** ![Beagle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/85f322/32.png) [@Beagle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beagle)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2003, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sooners-bum-out-an-entire-state/217498/37 "2003-12-08T01:13:29Z")
[Complete bowl schedule](http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/news;_ylc=X3oDMTBpMGxyODMzBF9TAzk1ODYyMzAwBHNlYwN0bQ--?slug=bowlsked&prov=st&type=lgns) Miami vs. FSU in the Orange Bowl. Ouch, neither team wants this game, least of all FSU. Miami gets a Big East crew and romps. Oklahoma, _ **in because Notre Dame lost yesterday** _ – thus leaping over _number one USC_ in the polls. Playoff, anyone? USC fans? A 16 team playoff would pit _LSU v. UF in the first round._ I know, the emphasis is starting to hurt your eyes. Dammit! I want a playoff! ---
**Author:** ![Duke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e8c25b/32.png) [@Duke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duke)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2003, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sooners-bum-out-an-entire-state/217498/38 "2003-12-08T01:15:19Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by John Carter of Mars \* > \*\*Short of a playoff, the BCS has been an improvement over no system at all. \*Go ahead and flame, it’s cold here today anyway. > > A sixty-four team playoff in basketball hasn’t stopped the whining from those teams not invited to the tournament. If a four or eight team playoff is set up for football, the so called Bubble Teams will still whine as much as the third team does this year.\*\* You make two good points. This is my take with them, though: 1. Before the BCS was put together, there was a move towards a better system. All the conferences save the Big 10 and Pac-10 had agreed to pit the #1 and #2 polls in a season-ending bowl, regardless of where they “should” have played. Had the Big 10 and Pac-10 agreed to it, my beloved Penn State team would have been playing for a title in '94. Simply put, _there is no need for the BCS “system.”_ Just pick #1 and #2 based on the polls! Let human beings, despite our flaws, pick the top two teams, rather than let computers (designed by all-too-human statheads, some of whom don’t even bother to watch any games!) decide. You know, if Notre Dame had beaten Syracuse yesterday, USC would have been in the Sugar Bowl. Does that make any sense to you? Me neither. I don’t think that anyone’s saying that the BCS is no improvement on the old system. But three out of six years of existance, it’s created even more controversy. This year, there might be a split championship for the first time in decades. Wasn’t this what the BCS was supposed to prevent? The concept is good, but the plan isn’t working. 1. Maybe the #66-75, say, teams in NCAA basketball complain about not making it to March Madness. But you’ve gotta think that the #3 football team (and especially this year) has a better chance of winning a title if there was a playoff than the #66 team in basketball. If, after the basketball title game, the coach of the #66 team griped, “Well, if we’d been in the tournament, _we_ would have won it,” would anybody believe them? I think, this year, USC would have a legitimate complaint that they could have won a playoff. I know the anti-playoff arguments all too well, working in the industry (college fundraising, hah!) that is one of the three along with TV and the bowl committeess that conspire to prevent it. Having to deal with teams that think they would be unfairly excluded isn’t one of them. ---
**Author:** ![Rhum\_Runner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/2bfe46/32.png) [@Rhum\_Runner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rhum_Runner)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2003, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sooners-bum-out-an-entire-state/217498/39 "2003-12-08T01:34:55Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Duke \* > **I don’t think that anyone’s saying that the BCS is no improvement on the old system.** I am, I liked the old system. > [@](#): > > This year, there might be a split championship for the first time in decades. Wasn’t this what the BCS was supposed to prevent? The concept is good, but the plan isn’t working. _ehm_ 1998 _ehm_ -Nebraska Michigan, the whole reason the BCS came about was as a response to the split championship of Nebraska and Michigan. Go Blue! ---
**Author:** ![Neurotik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/91b2a8/32.png) [@Neurotik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Neurotik)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2003, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sooners-bum-out-an-entire-state/217498/40 "2003-12-08T01:40:12Z")
Here’s what I find funny about LSU being above USC. I know they beat some quality teams, whereas USC only really beat one in Washington State. But LSU also scheduled 3 teams (Louisiana-Monroe, Western Illinois, and Louisiana Tech) that were far easier than any team USC played. Hell, Western Illinois isn’t even in 1-A! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sooners-bum-out-an-entire-state/217498.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sooners-bum-out-an-entire-state/217498.md?page=3)