# The specific clusterfuck of discussing war plans over Signal, a consumer cellphone app **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [March 26, 2025, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-specific-clusterfuck-of-discussing-war-plans-over-signal-a-consumer-cellphone-app/1016157 "2025-03-26T21:01:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2025, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-specific-clusterfuck-of-discussing-war-plans-over-signal-a-consumer-cellphone-app/1016157/181 "2025-04-04T20:33:30Z")
> [@dasmoocher](#): > > findings will be whitewashed like Barr did with the Mueller Report as an example That’s highly likely, yes. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2025, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-specific-clusterfuck-of-discussing-war-plans-over-signal-a-consumer-cellphone-app/1016157/182 "2025-04-04T21:22:56Z")
No chance at all that’ll happen. It’s a certainty. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2025, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-specific-clusterfuck-of-discussing-war-plans-over-signal-a-consumer-cellphone-app/1016157/183 "2025-04-21T00:03:05Z")
Wake up babe, Signalgate 2 just dropped > **[Hegseth shared detailed military plans in second Signal chat that included...](https://www.cnn.com/2025/04/20/politics/hegseth-second-signal-chat-military-plans/index.html)** > > Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth shared detailed plans about a military operation against the Houthis in Yemen on a second Signal group chat that included his wife, lawyer and brother, three people familiar with the chat told CNN. ---
**Author:** ![Nightaudit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nightaudit/32/17181_2.png) [@Nightaudit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nightaudit)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2025, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-specific-clusterfuck-of-discussing-war-plans-over-signal-a-consumer-cellphone-app/1016157/184 "2025-04-21T01:35:51Z")
🤣😂… i just instantly thought of the “ you’ve lost another submarine.” Meme … what a bunch of fuck ups. Someone get “Kegsbreath” to an AA meeting please. ---
**Author:** ![Zoobi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/13edae/32.png) [@Zoobi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zoobi)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2025, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-specific-clusterfuck-of-discussing-war-plans-over-signal-a-consumer-cellphone-app/1016157/185 "2025-04-21T01:39:36Z")
I’m sure this scandal will be the one that will stick. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2025, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-specific-clusterfuck-of-discussing-war-plans-over-signal-a-consumer-cellphone-app/1016157/186 "2025-04-21T02:00:52Z")
BWAHAHAHAHA!! 🤣 Good one! ---
**Author:** ![Pardel-Lux](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pardel-lux/32/20182_2.png) [@Pardel-Lux](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pardel-Lux)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2025, 8:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-specific-clusterfuck-of-discussing-war-plans-over-signal-a-consumer-cellphone-app/1016157/187 "2025-04-21T08:23:51Z")
This is not the scandal, it is a diversion of the true scandal. And it is working. We still don’t know what the true scandal is, although it is happening right before our eyes. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2025, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-specific-clusterfuck-of-discussing-war-plans-over-signal-a-consumer-cellphone-app/1016157/188 "2025-04-21T22:22:55Z")
> [@Zoobi](#): > > I’m sure this scandal will be the one that will stick. As of about 6pm EDT, the White House is still sending out spokespeople to say that Donald Loves Pete and nothing will change that. But NPR thinks they know something: > [@](#): > > …according to a U.S. official who was not authorized to speak publicly. > > … Hegseth had denied wrongdoing at a White House Easter event earlier Monday. > “This is what the media does, they take anonymous sources from disgruntled former employees, …” > > … Hegseth was likely referring to four senior advisers who left the Pentagon abruptly last week. Former Defense Department spokesperson John Ullyot resigned and then published an opinion piece calling the past month at the Pentagon a “full-blown meltdown” of infighting that is hurting President Trump. [https://www.npr.org/2025/04/21/nx-s1-5371312/trump-white-house-pete-hegseth-defense-department](https://www.npr.org/2025/04/21/nx-s1-5371312/trump-white-house-pete-hegseth-defense-department) We shall see. But Donald DOES need a military that will keep Americans in line, and if Pete can’t do it, he’ll find someone who can. (I’d bet on “Border Czar” Tom Homan, who has the vicious character needed for the job.) ETA: the preview didn’t load; the headline for the linked article is: _ **The White House is looking to replace Pete Hegseth as defense secretary** _ Updated April 21, 20253:34 PM ET By Tom Bowman & Quil Lawrence ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2025, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-specific-clusterfuck-of-discussing-war-plans-over-signal-a-consumer-cellphone-app/1016157/189 "2025-04-21T22:26:26Z")
Video, [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/HqhOUCnEGLQ/maxresdefault.jpg "Pete Hegseth Goes BERSERK At WH Easter Egg Roll") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqhOUCnEGLQ) ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2025, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-specific-clusterfuck-of-discussing-war-plans-over-signal-a-consumer-cellphone-app/1016157/190 "2025-04-21T23:44:58Z")
Next week it will be, “Pete Who? Never heard of the guy.” ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2025, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-specific-clusterfuck-of-discussing-war-plans-over-signal-a-consumer-cellphone-app/1016157/191 "2025-04-21T23:56:07Z")
> [@Pardel-Lux](#): > > This is not the scandal, it is a diversion of the true scandal. > And it is working. We still don’t know what the true scandal is, although it is happening right before our eyes. I told a friend that this is a just a distraction for something really fucked up the DoD is doing. Like giving military intelligence on Ukraine to Putin. I was mostly joking. Mostly. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2025, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-specific-clusterfuck-of-discussing-war-plans-over-signal-a-consumer-cellphone-app/1016157/192 "2025-04-22T00:21:36Z")
> [@dasmoocher](#): > > I told a friend that this is a just a distraction for something really fucked up the DoD is doing. Like giving military intelligence on Ukraine to Putin. > > I was mostly joking. Mostly. Don’t you remember the key thing about humor? _ **It’s funny because it’s true.** _ ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2025, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-specific-clusterfuck-of-discussing-war-plans-over-signal-a-consumer-cellphone-app/1016157/193 "2025-04-22T00:53:51Z")
Kristi Noem had her bag stolen at an upscale D.C. burger restaurant. > **[Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem’s bag, including $3,000 in cash, is...](https://www.cnn.com/2025/04/21/politics/homeland-security-kristi-noem-purse-stolen/index.html?cid=ios_app)** > > Department of Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem fell victim to a thief while eating dinner at a downtown Washington, DC, restaurant Sunday night, the secretary confirmed Monday. Wonder if, in addition to the listed stolen items, the thief now has the latest terrorism updates and detailed war plans for invading Canada. > [@](#): > > … Hegseth had denied wrongdoing at a White House Easter event earlier Monday. > “This is what the media does, they take anonymous sources from disgruntled former employees Ever notice that when there’s a major screwup at a company or government agency, employees who report problems and/or get fired in revenge are commonly referred to as “disgruntled”? “Nothing at all wrong, just some grunting, disgruntled workers who are no longer here. Pay no attention.” ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2025, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-specific-clusterfuck-of-discussing-war-plans-over-signal-a-consumer-cellphone-app/1016157/194 "2025-04-22T01:14:10Z")
Who doesn’t carry around $3K in cash in a bag? I think it used to be called a bagman, but now it’s probably bagperson. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2025, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-specific-clusterfuck-of-discussing-war-plans-over-signal-a-consumer-cellphone-app/1016157/195 "2025-04-22T01:18:52Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > Kristi Noem had her bag stolen at an upscale D.C. burger restaurant. Was one of her guns in it? ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2025, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-specific-clusterfuck-of-discussing-war-plans-over-signal-a-consumer-cellphone-app/1016157/196 "2025-04-22T01:25:02Z")
> [@wguy123](#): > > I think it used to be called a bagman, but now it’s probably bagperson. What are you, _woke_? ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2025, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-specific-clusterfuck-of-discussing-war-plans-over-signal-a-consumer-cellphone-app/1016157/197 "2025-04-22T01:28:17Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Was one of her guns in it? Or a mummified dog’s head with a hole in it? ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2025, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-specific-clusterfuck-of-discussing-war-plans-over-signal-a-consumer-cellphone-app/1016157/198 "2025-04-22T02:58:21Z")
> [@wguy123](#): > > Who doesn’t carry around $3K in cash in a bag? When reporting a theft to the insurance company, if you’re not bumping up the amount of cash by at least a factor of 10, you’re not doing this grifting thing right. ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2025, 4:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-specific-clusterfuck-of-discussing-war-plans-over-signal-a-consumer-cellphone-app/1016157/199 "2025-04-22T04:21:50Z")
Could be the cash was a downpayment because she’s got a side gig as a pet assasin. It could happen. /judy tenuta ---
**Author:** ![dtilque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d6d6ee/32.png) [@dtilque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dtilque)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2025, 6:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-specific-clusterfuck-of-discussing-war-plans-over-signal-a-consumer-cellphone-app/1016157/200 "2025-04-22T06:36:17Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > > [@Jackmannii](#): > > > > Kristi Noem had her bag stolen at an upscale D.C. burger restaurant. > > Was one of her guns in it? No but her security badge was in it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-specific-clusterfuck-of-discussing-war-plans-over-signal-a-consumer-cellphone-app/1016157.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-specific-clusterfuck-of-discussing-war-plans-over-signal-a-consumer-cellphone-app/1016157.md?page=11)