The State Solution: 1 State v. 2 State

No problem. It’s really easy to misunderstand humor and FWIW, like me Watchwolf has a somewhat dry sense of humor and often likes to go with comments that are just under “over the top”.

FWIW, I’ll try to cut down on it.

What “solution”? There’s no 1 state or 2 state solution. How can there be any solution when one side expressly does not want to negotiate and does not recognize the other side’s right to be alive?
The Palestinians have expressed this over and over again and it is their stated, voted-for position.

Unless that fact changes, there is no solution of any kind, period.

http://www.timesofisrael.com/netanyahu-finally-speaks-his-mind/

Vintage Bibi.

It’s always 1938, he’s always Churchill railing against Munich and his political enemies are always either Neville Chamberlain or Adolph Hitler.

No

Frankly, I think that the 2-state solution is the only safe, sane and sensible solution to the decades-old Israeli-Palestinian debacle. The United Nations Security Council, and the International Community should get together at once and force Israel to give West Bank, Gaza Strip and East Jerusalem back to the Palestinians and allow them to create their own independent, sovereign nation-state in those territories alongside Israel, and not in place of Israel. Israel should also withdraw and re-locate their right-wing settlers out of West Bank, Gaza Strip and East jerusalem and back into Israel Proper, where they belong.

Had the United Nations Security Council and the International Community enforced the above-mentioned 2-state solution with Jerusalem being a shared Capitol between the Jewish State of Israel and the State of Palestine (i. e., Jewish West Jerusalem the Capitol of Israel, and Arab East Jerusalem the Capitol of the State of Palestine), both the Israeli Jews and the Palestinians would be living side by side, as two small independent, sovereign nation-states at peace with each other.

Actually, there was a little bit of a discussion of the possibility of a three-state solution, similar to the set-up of India and Pakistan (where East Pakistan is on one side of India and West Pakistan is on the other side of India).

The possibility of Israel having two Palestinian States-one on either side of them:
The West Bank would be Democratic Palestine.
The Gaza Strip would be Islamic Palestine.

There’s no reason to believe that Israel would be surrounded by yet another one or two hostile states on their borders, as long as there was also some formal agreement put into place. Even in the event that other conflagrations occurred, it would be far easier for Israel to protect and defend a smaller area of land (its own land) and its people if Israel pulled back from West Bank, Gaza Strip and East Jerusalem, evacuated their troops and right-wing Israeli Jewish settlers from the territories, and allowed the Palestinians to create their own independent, sovereign nation-state(s) in those territories alongside Israel, and not in place of it.

Then they can force Hizbollah and Hamas to renounce terrorism, and recognize Israel’s right to exist, and force Iran to stop sending arms to terrorists. Problem solved.

Regards,
Shodan

So… any progress since 2014?

Netanyahu’s Likud party joined most of the parties on the right of Israeli politics in calling for the annexation of settlements during the recent election. Likud won a bit over a quarter of the vote/seats. He’s got a right coalition with a majority that is expected to keep him as prime minister unless things get really strange. That coalition still needs two center-right parties that might prevent annexation. I haven’t seen how coalition building is going. Annexation being on the agenda of the next couple years wouldn’t be all that surprising.

Annexing settlements in what would generally be expected to be Palestinian territory in any two state negotiation is probably the opposite of progress towards a negotiated agreement. It’s a step towards a potential non-negotiated single state solution if new settlements are founded in territory not yet annexed. I wouldn’t call that progress towards a peaceful solution.