# The story about Israelis stealing organ in Haiti **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [February 13, 2010, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-story-about-israelis-stealing-organ-in-haiti/528858 "2010-02-13T14:27:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2010, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-story-about-israelis-stealing-organ-in-haiti/528858/21 "2010-02-15T02:21:06Z")
> [@PrettyVacant](#): > > A lot odd inexplicable responses in this thread, a lot of weirding out. You set the pace. ---
**Author:** ![PrettyVacant](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/49beb7/32.png) [@PrettyVacant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PrettyVacant)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2010, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-story-about-israelis-stealing-organ-in-haiti/528858/22 "2010-02-15T02:25:06Z")
I don’t think so; I’ve never kidnapped and I haven’t stolen any organs. ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2010, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-story-about-israelis-stealing-organ-in-haiti/528858/23 "2010-02-15T02:27:21Z")
> [@PrettyVacant](#): > > I don’t think so; I’ve never kidnapped and I haven’t stolen any organs. We have only your word for that- and I don’t know if I can trust you. ---
**Author:** ![PrettyVacant](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/49beb7/32.png) [@PrettyVacant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PrettyVacant)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2010, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-story-about-israelis-stealing-organ-in-haiti/528858/24 "2010-02-15T02:34:41Z")
That doesn’t work; the point is arrests and charges and evidence support the original assertion (that suggesting an inquiry isn’t “wrong, distasteful and provocative”). I mean, given the stuff that’s happened, we’re already at some mad tea party anyway. ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2010, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-story-about-israelis-stealing-organ-in-haiti/528858/25 "2010-02-15T02:37:31Z")
You just want to throw suspicion on somebody else to hide your own organ stealing! **PrettyVacant** , j’accuse! ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2010, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-story-about-israelis-stealing-organ-in-haiti/528858/26 "2010-02-15T02:39:02Z")
What do you expect? You took a story about one rogue administrator in Israel who was caught and lost his job over it, several years ago. In his dealings he sold organs from corpses for profit, and took them equally from any corpses that ended up on the slab; no “harvesting” of any sort went on. You also mention a group of Americans who kidnapped Haitian children apparently to adopt out. Then you tried to mate these two together (obviously suggesting, via insinuation only, that for some reason the IDF in Haiti was kidnapping children to steal their organs, or something). In support for this you offer a looney nutjob who has gone on record supporting suicide bombings and who got her wacky conspiracy theory from a Palestinian paper which evidently pulled its own article but did not pull an article about a magic earthquake machine which caused the Haitian earthquake. Their obvious level of, ahem, journalistic integrity does not bother you. You weave all of this together and tell us that there should be an investigation, evidently to make sure that the IDF wasn’t stealing Haitian children to dice them up and sell their organs to the people who manufacture earthquake machines. Or something. What did you expect? “Gee! Yes, there’s a YouTube video and a batshit insane Palestinian newspaper making some crazy allegations, let’s make sure that no IDF troopers have any little Haitians wadded up in their luggage!!!” And WTF are you on about? What “arrests, charges and evidence” support the claim that the IDF is in Haiti stealing organs and/or kidnapping children to kill them for their organs? This is Conspiracy Theorist Free Association Theater. If you have a point to make, make it. ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Fight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/90ced4/32.png) [@Cat\_Fight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Fight)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2010, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-story-about-israelis-stealing-organ-in-haiti/528858/27 "2010-02-15T03:13:55Z")
> [@Tapioca\_Dextrin](#): > > Should we set up an inquiry to make sure the US army is rounding up slaves for transportation back to the Antebellum South? I’ve got my eye on French aid workers. What if they want to re-colonize? ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2010, 5:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-story-about-israelis-stealing-organ-in-haiti/528858/28 "2010-02-15T05:21:32Z")
U R doin it wrong. "Damn, the French are there, _the French?!?_ Weren’t they colonialists? Don’t we already have a story of Americans who kidnapped Haitians and tried to get them adopted out? Aren’t both French and Americans carbon based lifeforms? Isn’t the connection obvious?!!?!?! I demand a full inquiry, immediately, costing at least several million dollars, in order to make sure that every single French soldier wasn’t secretly placing copies of La Marseillaise around Haiti. Then, I was a full inquiry to make sure that no French governmental types considered it. Then, I was a full inquiry to make sure that no French citizens advocated it. I estimate that this should take no more than several hundred thousand man-hours and no more than a few hundred million dollars. After all, do those Frenchies have something to hide?" ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2010, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-story-about-israelis-stealing-organ-in-haiti/528858/29 "2010-02-15T15:11:35Z")
> [@PrettyVacant](#): > > A lot odd inexplicable responses in this thread, a lot of weirding out. I’ll say. You clearly pointed out in your OP that there are Jews involved and yet people persist in asking for evidence. Very strange. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2010, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-story-about-israelis-stealing-organ-in-haiti/528858/30 "2010-02-15T15:31:15Z")
The Google ad links I get are: **I Just Want to Help Kids Donating body to science.** Hey kids! Bored with video games? Think of the many hours of fun you can have dissecting kindly strangers! :eek: ---
**Author:** ![Huerta88](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/82dd89/32.png) [@Huerta88](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Huerta88)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2010, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-story-about-israelis-stealing-organ-in-haiti/528858/31 "2010-02-15T16:03:18Z")
FFS. If you want a link to actual organ trafficking involving Israel, it exists: > **[New York man accused of trying to broker kidney sale - CNN.com](http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/07/23/nj.corruption.kidney/)** > > One of the sweeping criminal complaints unveiled Thursday in New Jersey against 44 public officials and others includes a New York man accused of trying to arrange the private sale of a kidney from a donor in Israel. but that doesn’t seem like much more than one greedy-ass scumbag. I don’t know if it’s been mentioned in this thread, but Mrs. Tonge has been sacked before for comments that were similarly not Israelophile – she lost a job as the Lib Dems “children’s spokeswoman” (which may merit another FFS) in 1994 for comments interpreted as sympathetic to suicide bombers. Looking at her and Peter Mandelson, it’s odd to me that there seem to be so many second (third, for Mandelson) acts in British politics . . . . ---
**Author:** ![PrettyVacant](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/49beb7/32.png) [@PrettyVacant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PrettyVacant)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2010, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-story-about-israelis-stealing-organ-in-haiti/528858/32 "2010-02-15T16:05:56Z")
I think I’m getting it now; whenever someone wants to discuss Israel in a potentially negative way, the idea is you tag team to emphasise ‘Jews’ so the issue gets clouded with inferences about the motives of the person posting. Then you seem to tag team again doing a wacky thing which, I presume, is intended to develop the inferences into a krazzie guy theme. I’m guessing it’s not the first time this has happened on this board? Anyway, how about 'missionary’s from the USA and troops from nation state X, etc … ’ ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2010, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-story-about-israelis-stealing-organ-in-haiti/528858/33 "2010-02-15T16:09:51Z")
> [@PrettyVacant](#): > > I think I’m getting it now; whenever someone wants to discuss Israel in a potentially negative way, the idea is you tag team to emphasise ‘Jews’ so the issue gets clouded with inferences about the motives of the person posting. Then you seem to tag team again doing a wacky thing which, I presume, is intended to develop the inferences into a krazzie guy theme. > > I’m guessing it’s not the first time this has happened on this board? > > Anyway, how about 'missionary’s from the USA and troops from nation state X, etc … ’ If you post an absurd evidence-free accusation you should expect to be made fun of. And you should expect people to be pissed off when the ethnic group you target has a long history of being persecuted on the basis of similar absurd evidence free accusations. > **[Blood libel](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_libel_against_Jews)** > > Blood libel or ritual murder libel (also blood accusation) is an antisemitic trope which falsely accuses Jews of murdering Christians in order to use their blood in the performance of religious rituals. Echoing very old myths of secret cultic practices in many prehistoric societies, the claim, as it is leveled against Jews, was rarely attested to in antiquity. According to Tertullian, it originally emerged in late antiquity as an accusation made against members of the earl Blood libels often c... ---
**Author:** ![Tapioca\_Dextrin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Tapioca\_Dextrin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tapioca_Dextrin)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2010, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-story-about-israelis-stealing-organ-in-haiti/528858/34 "2010-02-15T16:11:40Z")
> [@PrettyVacant](#): > > I think I’m getting it now; whenever someone wants to discuss Israel in a potentially negative way, the idea is you tag team to emphasise ‘Jews’ so the issue gets clouded with inferences about the motives of the person posting. Then you seem to tag team again doing a wacky thing which, I presume, is intended to develop the inferences into a krazzie guy theme. > > I’m guessing it’s not the first time this has happened on this board? > > Anyway, how about 'missionary’s from the USA and troops from nation state X, etc … ’ There is actual documentary proof that missionaries tried to smuggle kids out of Haiti. There is no proof what so ever that the IDF were involved in organ harvesting. Can you see the difference? It’s not anti Israel, but pro reality. ---
**Author:** ![Huerta88](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/82dd89/32.png) [@Huerta88](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Huerta88)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2010, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-story-about-israelis-stealing-organ-in-haiti/528858/35 "2010-02-15T16:17:17Z")
> [@Tapioca\_Dextrin](#): > > There is no proof what so ever that the IDF were involved in organ harvesting. It’s worse than that – there wasn’t really even a first-hand accusation of nefarious activity (contrary to, say, the “art student” reports or the celebrating movers on 9/11 report) by Israel/Israelis. So the fundamental problem with the OP can be found in its title – “the story” was never established to have existed in the first place (the analogies to the Glenn Beck raped and murdered, etc. meme are thus pretty apt). BTW – and no offense to the Haitians – I doubt I’m going to embark on an organ-harvesting campaign in a nation known to have one of the highest HIV and hepatitis rates on Earth. And to the OP: yes, there are plenty of Godwinizing grievance-mongers on this board, yes, deliberate confusion of anti-Zionist critique with anti-semitism does take place here – but that’s not what happened with your post. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2010, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-story-about-israelis-stealing-organ-in-haiti/528858/36 "2010-02-15T16:53:12Z")
> [@PrettyVacant](#): > > Then you seem to tag team again doing a wacky thing which, I presume, is intended to develop the inferences into a krazzie guy theme. “Krazzie”? You’re right about the “tag team” thing though. We practice this constantly to elicist maximum hilarity about nutbar accusations. > [@Huerta88](#): > > And to the OP: yes, there are plenty of Godwinizing grievance-mongers on this board, yes, deliberate confusion of anti-Zionist critique with anti-semitism does take place here – but that’s not what happened with your post. Partially correct. It’s not what happened with the ludicrous OP, but it’s also a rarity on this board altogether. Typically, when you see the complaint “You can’t criticize Israel without being accused of anti-Semitism!”, substitute “You can’t constantly engage in vitriolic one-sided accusations against Israel that employ classic themes of anti-Semitic bigotry, without someone alluding to anti-Semitism”. The first is nonsense, the second is often true. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2010, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-story-about-israelis-stealing-organ-in-haiti/528858/37 "2010-02-15T18:03:00Z")
> [@PrettyVacant](#): > > Anyway, how about 'missionary’s from the USA and troops from nation state X, etc … ’ No, the blatant non sequitor makes this laughable, too. You have US private citizens acting without the government’s knowledge or approval. Then you have troops from an entirely different nation, and you point at the private American citizens and make vague hand gestures trying to connect the two. And the curious rationale whereby you look only at Israeli troops (and then expect this to be reasonable) just puts the icing on this cake of fail. Would we have the same reaction to American troops (after all, there’ve been American organ sale scandals)? I mean, you can work the same absurd formula for anybody “missionaries from the United States and troops from wherever the fuck, it doesn’t matter since this is a conspiracy theory and not a reasoned analysis of facts.” ---
**Author:** ![Dissonance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/85f322/32.png) [@Dissonance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dissonance)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2010, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-story-about-israelis-stealing-organ-in-haiti/528858/38 "2010-02-15T18:59:49Z")
Columbus used to chop the hands off of Taínos, the indigenous peoples of Hispaniola, if they failed to provide enough gold every three months. Now there are Israelis in Haiti, coincidence? Do I have to do the math for you? Jews, gold, severed hands, 500 years ago… the conspiracy is pretty clear, right? UFOs are really time machines ---
**Author:** ![PrettyVacant](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/49beb7/32.png) [@PrettyVacant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PrettyVacant)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2010, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-story-about-israelis-stealing-organ-in-haiti/528858/39 "2010-02-15T19:45:07Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > After all, do those Frenchies have something to hide?" You’re not consistent. Judging by your earlier contributions, nationality is meaningless, surely the point of your analogy is not that they’re French but are likely Catholics !!1! > [@Huerta88](#): > > And to the OP: yes, there are plenty of Godwinizing grievance-mongers on this board, yes, deliberate confusion of anti-Zionist critique with anti-semitism does take place here – but that’s not what happened with your post. Forgive me if I baulk at your breath of options, which seem to range all the way across the spectrum from A to B (‘anti’ the State of Israel \> outright religious hatred): Sometimes a military unit is just a military unit. > [@FinnAgain](#): > > No, the blatant non sequitor makes this laughable, too. > > You have US private citizens acting without the government’s knowledge or approval. Then you have troops from an entirely different nation, and you point at the private American citizens and make vague hand gestures trying to connect the two. Actually, what we have is a society in chaos, where normal civil order - including records - no longer exist. In such an environment much can occur. ---
**Author:** ![Huerta88](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/82dd89/32.png) [@Huerta88](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Huerta88)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2010, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-story-about-israelis-stealing-organ-in-haiti/528858/40 "2010-02-15T19:49:04Z")
> [@Huerta88](#): > > BTW – and no offense to the Haitians – I doubt I’m going to embark on an organ-harvesting campaign in a nation known to have one of the highest HIV and hepatitis rates on Earth. Oh, and a further cynical thought, even if you assume the Israeli government (it would have to be them, right? How would individual soldiers have the infrastructure to traffic?) somehow benefited (step 2 is still in doubt for me) from stealing/coercing organs from the poor/oppressed/voiceless . . . uh, they wouldn’t exactly have to travel that far to do so, and the Pal’s probably have on balance healthier organs to offer. I inferred (though I don’t think it was ever explicitly said) that the Brooklyn guy who was “targeting poor Israelis as ‘donors’” had come to a similar conclusion. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-story-about-israelis-stealing-organ-in-haiti/528858.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-story-about-israelis-stealing-organ-in-haiti/528858.md?page=3)