# The Straight Dope On Why We Circumcise Boys **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [January 10, 2005, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-straight-dope-on-why-we-circumcise-boys/283961 "2005-01-10T00:49:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![jack321](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/3e96dc/32.png) [@jack321](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jack321)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2005, 6:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-straight-dope-on-why-we-circumcise-boys/283961/101 "2005-01-15T06:29:00Z")
> [@Mr. Babbington](#): > > jack, I’m just curious. I saw you have a Canadian e-mail address. Is circumcision covered under the Canadian national health plan? Or did you have to pay for it? Well that depends on the doctor…I had it done for free although he could have charged me for it…I just think that he got paid more to do it in the hospital than if he were have done it in his office. He fabricated the reason for me having it done on the medical charts and claimed it to be Balantis…but in fact there was nothing wrong with it at all…I just wanted it done, and he happened to want to do it. I think he did it for the money personaly. ---
**Author:** ![Stage\_Manager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stage_manager/32/7267_2.png) [@Stage\_Manager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stage_Manager)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2005, 8:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-straight-dope-on-why-we-circumcise-boys/283961/102 "2005-01-15T08:01:59Z")
> [@jack321](#): > > Well that depends on the doctor…I had it done for free although he could have charged me for it…I just think that he got paid more to do it in the hospital than if he were have done it in his office. He fabricated the reason for me having it done on the medical charts and claimed it to be Balantis…but in fact there was nothing wrong with it at all…I just wanted it done, and he happened to want to do it. I think he did it for the money personaly. Obviously, the doctor is gay and just wanted to see your penis and to touch it. :rolleyes: I’m sorry you’re so angry about this. ---
**Author:** ![jack321](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/3e96dc/32.png) [@jack321](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jack321)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2005, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-straight-dope-on-why-we-circumcise-boys/283961/103 "2005-01-15T15:52:44Z")
> [@Stage Manager](#): > > Obviously, the doctor is gay and just wanted to see your penis and to touch it. :rolleyes: > > I’m sorry you’re so angry about this. No he was not Gay…he is married with a wife and 2 adult sons. He was a very well known and respected Urologist that had practiced in my city for over 30 years. I was refered to him by by family doctor, who has been my doctor since I was born. As a matter of fact he delivered me at birth. :dubious: Anyhow he told me that he did about one adult circumcision a month and that it was not uncommon for him to have adults comming to him and asking to be circumcised. I guess he supports male circumcision. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2005, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-straight-dope-on-why-we-circumcise-boys/283961/104 "2005-01-15T20:20:18Z")
> [@jack321](#): > > No he was not Gay…he is married with a wife and 2 adult sons. NOW who’s in denial? ---
**Author:** ![Ms2001](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ms2001/32/18463_2.png) [@Ms2001](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ms2001)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2005, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-straight-dope-on-why-we-circumcise-boys/283961/105 "2005-01-15T20:54:21Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > NOW who’s in denial? You know, the average profile for a man who claims his doctor isn’t gay is someone who desperately wants to be a gay doctor, but doesn’t know how to go about becoming one or is too ashamed to do it. ---
**Author:** ![Puffs](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c77e96/32.png) [@Puffs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Puffs)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2005, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-straight-dope-on-why-we-circumcise-boys/283961/106 "2005-01-15T21:06:24Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > NOW who’s in denial? McGreevey He’s not really gay, just the peer pressure got to him. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Babbington](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d6d6ee/32.png) [@Mr.Babbington](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Babbington)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2005, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-straight-dope-on-why-we-circumcise-boys/283961/107 "2005-01-15T22:09:48Z")
Yeah. I think you are a fraud, jack. ---
**Author:** ![jack321](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/3e96dc/32.png) [@jack321](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jack321)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2005, 5:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-straight-dope-on-why-we-circumcise-boys/283961/108 "2005-01-16T05:03:21Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > NOW who’s in denial? I am not in denial about weather or not the doctor that circumcsied me is gay or not…I was responding to a post with a correct answer… The dude was married with children and if he was gay, who the hell cares. I dont care because he did what I wanted him to do and thats all I was there for. Weather or not he was gay has nothing to do with my circumcision as far as I am concerned…Although I will keep my personal view that he was not gay but just a Urologist that did not mind doing a circumcision. ---
**Author:** ![jack321](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/3e96dc/32.png) [@jack321](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jack321)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2005, 5:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-straight-dope-on-why-we-circumcise-boys/283961/109 "2005-01-16T05:05:08Z")
> [@Mr. Babbington](#): > > Yeah. I think you are a fraud, jack. And why is that??? ---
**Author:** ![jack321](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/3e96dc/32.png) [@jack321](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jack321)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2005, 5:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-straight-dope-on-why-we-circumcise-boys/283961/110 "2005-01-16T05:10:48Z")
> [@Mr2001](#): > > You know, the average profile for a man who claims his doctor isn’t gay is someone who desperately wants to be a gay doctor, but doesn’t know how to go about becoming one or is too ashamed to do it. I am still trying to figure out what homosexuality has to do with the dude who circumcised me??? Hell…I really dont care if the guy who circumcised is gay or not…it has nothing to do with me or the circumcision that I had done 10 years ago! If he was gay it does not bother me because It is not relevant to me getting circumcised. Someone made a statement about him…and I responded with what I knew, and that was that he was a married well respected urologist that was nearing the end of his career and he has 2 adult sons. If he was a married man who happened to be gay…I really dont care. Thats his business not mine. ---
**Author:** ![Ms2001](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ms2001/32/18463_2.png) [@Ms2001](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ms2001)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2005, 7:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-straight-dope-on-why-we-circumcise-boys/283961/111 "2005-01-16T07:35:52Z")
> [@jack321](#): > > I am still trying to figure out what homosexuality has to do with the dude who circumcised me??? Oh, I think you know what it has to do with that. You just aren’t admitting it. I am sorry you have guilt and anger but I hope you get over it in the future so you can be happy with yourself. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![No\_Disguise](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9f8e36/32.png) [@No\_Disguise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/No_Disguise)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2005, 12:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-straight-dope-on-why-we-circumcise-boys/283961/112 "2005-01-16T12:40:26Z")
For someone who’s set out to right the misinformation out there, you sure are spreading a fair bit yourself. > [@jack321](#): > > Yes I will also state that with a foreskin, as all men or boys with foreskin know that there is a substance called smegma that builds up under the foreskin that does indeed have a rather unapealing odor. Now I can vouch for this from my first hand personal experience of having a foreskin for most of my life that My penis would smell bad because of the smegma build up. Even if I showered and cleaned…within 3 or 4 hours the smell was back. NOTE: (after my circumcision I produce no more smegma and all bad odor’s dissapeared forever). I don’t have this odor. I did notice the smell beginning to manifest itself during puberty, so I simply spent a little extra time in the area during my daily shower, and the smell went away. Now, I can go a full 24 hours, sometimes more, between showers with no smegma smell. You, like most people who smell of smegma within 3-4 hours after a shower are just smelly individuals. As for the rest of your post, any potential circumcisees would have found it a lot more helpful if you had simply said, “I was circumcised as an adult, and in the ten years since, there’s been no appreciable loss of sensation.” Instead, almost everybody who read your post now thinks that you are actually a girl who absolutely loves uncircumcised penes, craves them, and wants every man in the world out there to circumcise himself so that you won’t be tempted to cheat on your cut husband with them. And I make this claim, and the one above it with as much certainty, and proof as you had when you made your claims. ---
**Author:** ![FrostySonofThunder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/dfb087/32.png) [@FrostySonofThunder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FrostySonofThunder)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2005, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-straight-dope-on-why-we-circumcise-boys/283961/113 "2005-01-16T14:20:59Z")
Long time lurker, first time poster here. I just have to put my 2cents worth into this discussion. As an UCM(un-circmcised male) I am Anti-circ, unless it is for religious or valid medical reasons. That being said, I have not personally had much of a problem with odor due to smegma build up since, like **No Disguise** , I learned at an early age to be meticulous in cleaning around the glans when taking my daily shower. IMHO most UCM who are reasonably conscientious about personal hygiene would not have a problem with this, barring individual body chemistry that causes problems no matter how clean one keeps one’s body. Therefore, IMO, the logic of getting circumcised for hygiene issues, in most developed countries, is no longer valid. If, however, one is doing this for purely personal/aesthetic reasons then my opinions don’t count since this is a free country and people can do what ever they want with their bodies.(Within legal limits). As to the sensitivty issue between circ/non-circ organs, I can only state that from my personal, umm “hands on experience” that direct stimulation of the glans works much better than rolling the foreskin over the glans. However, after stimulation to climax my glans becomes hyper-sensitive and I cannot stand any more manual stimulation from **Mrs. FST**. YPMV **Jack** , I am sorry you are angry and in denial about my being happy having an un-cut member 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Futile\_Gesture](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/f05b48/32.png) [@Futile\_Gesture](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Futile_Gesture)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2005, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-straight-dope-on-why-we-circumcise-boys/283961/114 "2005-01-16T17:54:11Z")
> [@jack321](#): > > I am still trying to figure out what homosexuality has to do with the dude who circumcised me??? Nothing. That’s the point. Just like the state of denial, or otherwise, of the people here who have repeatedly asked you to back up your statements with facts. It’s a debating technique that gets used sometimes to demonstrate the same flaws in the other’s argument. So far you’ve not caught on. Perhaps if you weren’t so angry and in denial you’d have noticed by now. ---
**Author:** ![jack321](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/3e96dc/32.png) [@jack321](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jack321)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2005, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-straight-dope-on-why-we-circumcise-boys/283961/115 "2005-01-16T18:13:48Z")
> [@Futile Gesture](#): > > Nothing. That’s the point. Just like the state of denial, or otherwise, of the people here who have repeatedly asked you to back up your statements with facts. It’s a debating technique that gets used sometimes to demonstrate the same flaws in the other’s argument. > > So far you’ve not caught on. Perhaps if you weren’t so angry and in denial you’d have noticed by now. I am not angry or in denial…I am free and full of the truth, this angers you and upsets you because you rely on feedback from others and support from others in order to feel good about yourself. You rely on insulting people in order to get your point across and you live in the dark…basically you are blind to the light. You will not see it because you deny it. You are a typical text book case of a person in denial and you show that by your responses. Be free and dont lie anymore you will feel so much better …trust me. But as long as you continue to lie and deceive people you will live alone in the dark …all by yourself. ---
**Author:** ![jack321](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/3e96dc/32.png) [@jack321](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jack321)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2005, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-straight-dope-on-why-we-circumcise-boys/283961/116 "2005-01-16T18:23:51Z")
> [@Futile Gesture](#): > > Nothing. That’s the point. Just like the state of denial, or otherwise, of the people here who have repeatedly asked you to back up your statements with facts. It’s a debating technique that gets used sometimes to demonstrate the same flaws in the other’s argument. > > So far you’ve not caught on. Perhaps if you weren’t so angry and in denial you’d have noticed by now. No…it is you who have not caught on, See my blind friend…I already told you that science is irrelevant and statistical data is also irrelevant when it comes to topics. Because you are blind…you require proof for everything! and I mean everything. You can’t live without physical proof as your eyes are blinded and you do not see what I see because you live in the dark. I am not angry with you because I put you under me. You are less than I am because you still live in the dark. My eyes are open and see all lies and all deception. I see your lies because I read your intentions and not your words that you write on a screen. I see right through that, and right into your intentions. Your intentions are revealed to me and there is NOTHING you can do to stop that or change that. Words are one thing…but I see into your soul and I see what you are thinking and I see your life and I see your problems and I see and understand your lies and deception. You can’t hide this from me because I have been granted power over you. I know you wont be able to understant this …but that is because you are blind and and can’t see. Those who can see, which I have not met any yet on this thread, will be able to tell you the same. Although the internet is usually full of deception and not truth…and as I said before…what does a liar fear the most? the answer is the truth, and anyone or anything that reveals it. Since you live in deception in your life and that effects everyone around you…you fear the truth and because I tell the truth, you fear what I type on this website because it is the truth. ---
**Author:** ![jack321](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/3e96dc/32.png) [@jack321](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jack321)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2005, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-straight-dope-on-why-we-circumcise-boys/283961/117 "2005-01-16T18:28:39Z")
> [@FrostySonofThunder](#): > > Long time lurker, first time poster here. I just have to put my 2cents worth into this discussion. > > As an UCM(un-circmcised male) I am Anti-circ, unless it is for religious or valid medical reasons. > > That being said, I have not personally had much of a problem with odor due to smegma build up since, like **No Disguise** , I learned at an early age to be meticulous in cleaning around the glans when taking my daily shower. IMHO most UCM who are reasonably conscientious about personal hygiene would not have a problem with this, barring individual body chemistry that causes problems no matter how clean one keeps one’s body. Therefore, IMO, the logic of getting circumcised for hygiene issues, in most developed countries, is no longer valid. If, however, one is doing this for purely personal/aesthetic reasons then my opinions don’t count since this is a free country and people can do what ever they want with their bodies.(Within legal limits). > > As to the sensitivty issue between circ/non-circ organs, I can only state that from my personal, umm “hands on experience” that direct stimulation of the glans works much better than rolling the foreskin over the glans. However, after stimulation to climax my glans becomes hyper-sensitive and I cannot stand any more manual stimulation from **Mrs. FST**. YPMV > > **Jack** , I am sorry you are angry and in denial about my being happy having an un-cut member 😃 You are yet another man in denial and full of lies and deception about your uncircumsied status…Your words just cry out “help me… I want to be circumcised but this jack guy is hurting my feelings because he is telling other on a message board that i am in denial with myself and I must stop jack from going any further” Ha ha ha…I see right trhough you my blind friend. ---
**Author:** ![jack321](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/3e96dc/32.png) [@jack321](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jack321)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2005, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-straight-dope-on-why-we-circumcise-boys/283961/118 "2005-01-16T18:34:11Z")
> [@No Disguise](#): > > For someone who’s set out to right the misinformation out there, you sure are spreading a fair bit yourself. > > I don’t have this odor. I did notice the smell beginning to manifest itself during puberty, so I simply spent a little extra time in the area during my daily shower, and the smell went away. Now, I can go a full 24 hours, sometimes more, between showers with no smegma smell. You, like most people who smell of smegma within 3-4 hours after a shower are just smelly individuals. > > As for the rest of your post, any potential circumcisees would have found it a lot more helpful if you had simply said, “I was circumcised as an adult, and in the ten years since, there’s been no appreciable loss of sensation.” Instead, almost everybody who read your post now thinks that you are actually a girl who absolutely loves uncircumcised penes, craves them, and wants every man in the world out there to circumcise himself so that you won’t be tempted to cheat on your cut husband with them. And I make this claim, and the one above it with as much certainty, and proof as you had when you made your claims. I have to say i did not think that this would go this way…but you simple minded fools have basically admitted my defeat over you as you have switched the entire topic of this thread and turned it to me with continuous insults…remember that message that I warned you all that I knew what you were doing? your telling me that you thought that nobody would notice that you slipped by it in order to bombard me with more insults. You Fool! Now people think I am a girl, that is just funny I have to admit! Your denial has gone so far that you think I am female. that is the funniest thing I ever heard! Hey man If could see you and be there I would whip out my dick and let you see for yourself…GEEZ. ---
**Author:** ![jack321](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/3e96dc/32.png) [@jack321](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jack321)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2005, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-straight-dope-on-why-we-circumcise-boys/283961/119 "2005-01-16T18:35:43Z")
> [@Mr2001](#): > > Oh, I think you know what it has to do with that. You just aren’t admitting it. I am sorry you have guilt and anger but I hope you get over it in the future so you can be happy with yourself. 😉 Because you are blind…you require proof for everything! and I mean everything. You can’t live without physical proof as your eyes are blinded and you do not see what I see because you live in the dark. I am not angry with you because I put you under me. You are less than I am because you still live in the dark. My eyes are open and see all lies and all deception. I see your lies because I read your intentions and not your words that you write on a screen. I see right through that, and right into your intentions. Your intentions are revealed to me and there is NOTHING you can do to stop that or change that. Words are one thing…but I see into your soul and I see what you are thinking and I see your life and I see your problems and I see and understand your lies and deception. You can’t hide this from me because I have been granted power over you. I know you wont be able to understant this …but that is because you are blind and and can’t see. Those who can see, which I have not met any yet on this thread, will be able to tell you the same. Although the internet is usually full of deception and not truth…and as I said before…what does a liar fear the most? the answer is the truth, and anyone or anything that reveals it. Since you live in deception in your life and that effects everyone around you…you fear the truth and because I tell the truth, you fear what I type on this website because it is the truth. ---
**Author:** ![Gaudere](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e495f1/32.png) [@Gaudere](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gaudere)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2005, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-straight-dope-on-why-we-circumcise-boys/283961/120 "2005-01-16T18:40:09Z")
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