# The strange concept of eternal hell suffering. **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [September 23, 2013, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528 "2013-09-23T17:54:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 22
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2013, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/421 "2013-09-26T15:20:14Z")
> [@Mickiel](#): > > It does not mean it to you, it does mean it to me. You were describing the views of other people, but OK, sure. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2013, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/422 "2013-09-26T15:20:39Z")
> [@Mickiel](#): > > I don’t mean the Christian god, I am not Christian, and God is not either. Then which god are you referring to? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2013, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/423 "2013-09-26T15:21:40Z")
> [@Mickiel](#): > > It does not mean it to you, it does mean it to me. The " Concept" preceeds the " Realness." One leads to the other and cannot exist without the other; there is no seperation. Are unicorns real? ---
**Author:** ![Mickiel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/0ea827/32.png) [@Mickiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mickiel)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2013, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/424 "2013-09-26T15:21:55Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Then which god are you referring to? There is only one God. All others are creations of men. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2013, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/425 "2013-09-26T15:23:54Z")
> [@Mickiel](#): > > There is only one God. All others are creations of men. Are there others you can name who also follow this god of yours, or a cite that follows this same deity? ---
**Author:** ![Mickiel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/0ea827/32.png) [@Mickiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mickiel)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2013, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/426 "2013-09-26T15:27:04Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Are unicorns real? The Atheist tendency to use myths to support its effort to belittle the realness of God is faulty; no Atheist believes in myths, but most Atheist will embrace myths in their effort to reduce the growing mountain of Gods reputation. Only then does myths mean something to an Atheist, as you use it as a convient weapon. I need no myths to prove the realness of God. But you need myths to disprove him. An interesting contradiction. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2013, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/427 "2013-09-26T15:29:14Z")
> [@Mickiel](#): > > The Atheist tendency to use myths to support its effort to belittle the realness of God is faulty; no Atheist believes in myths, but most Atheist will embrace myths in their effort to reduce the growing mountain of Gods reputation. Only then does myths mean something to an Atheist, as you use it as a convient weapon. > > I need no myths to prove the realness of God. But you need myths to disprove him. An interesting contradiction. Non-answer. If the concept of a unicorn is real, does that mean unicorns are real. ---
**Author:** ![Mickiel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/0ea827/32.png) [@Mickiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mickiel)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2013, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/428 "2013-09-26T15:29:28Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Are there others you can name who also follow this god of yours, or a cite that follows this same deity? You love cites don’t you; yes, I already gave you two of them; [Tentmaker.org](http://Tentmaker.org) > **[L. Ray Smith - Exposing Those Who Contradict](https://bible-truths.com/)** > > bible, bible study, hell, tithing, tithe Do you need a cite that can prove I have not already given you these cites? ---
**Author:** ![Latro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a87d85/32.png) [@Latro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Latro)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2013, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/429 "2013-09-26T15:31:32Z")
> [@Mickiel](#): > > I don’t mean the Christian god, I am not Christian, and God is not either. > [@Czarcasm](#): > > Then which god are you referring to? > [@Mickiel](#): > > There is only one God. All others are creations of men. And you are the only one with the correct ‘concept’ of this god? That would mean he does exists, bu only in _your_ head. ---
**Author:** ![Mickiel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/0ea827/32.png) [@Mickiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mickiel)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2013, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/430 "2013-09-26T15:32:50Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Non-answer. If the concept of a unicorn is real, does that mean unicorns are real. Its a perfect answer. Atheist have their way of playing religious politics, in their effort to shut down belief in God. They NEED to use myths, something they themselves do not believe in, in order to assist them in getting believers in God not to believe. Conversely, believers in God do not NEED myths to prove their belief as valid. A strange dicotomy, just as strange as the belief in the myth of eternal hell torture. ---
**Author:** ![Mickiel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/0ea827/32.png) [@Mickiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mickiel)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2013, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/431 "2013-09-26T15:35:36Z")
> [@Latro](#): > > And you are the only one with the correct ‘concept’ of this god? > > That would mean he does exists, bu only in _your_ head. I don’t have the :" Correct concept of God", in my view, no one does, especially Christians and Atheist, two groups who have muddied the waters of understanding this in my view. No human has the correct concept of God, they just like to think that they do. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2013, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/432 "2013-09-26T15:36:30Z")
> [@Mickiel](#): > > Its a perfect answer. Atheist have their way of playing religious politics, in their effort to shut down belief in God. They NEED to use myths, something they themselves do not believe in, in order to assist them in getting believers in God not to believe. > > Conversely, believers in God do not NEED myths to prove their belief as valid. A strange dicotomy, just as strange as the belief in the myth of eternal hell torture. So - you agree that the ‘Unicorn’ is a mythical creature - why is that? ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2013, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/433 "2013-09-26T15:41:06Z")
> [@Mickiel](#): > > Its a perfect answer. Atheist have their way of playing religious politics, in their effort to shut down belief in God. They NEED to use myths, something they themselves do not believe in, in order to assist them in getting believers in God not to believe. Are you saying atheists don’t really accept things like evolution and cosmology - which are separate from atheism anyway - even though you yourself don’t know what those things are? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2013, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/434 "2013-09-26T15:42:35Z")
> [@Mickiel](#): > > You love cites don’t you; yes, I already gave you two of them; [Tentmaker.org](http://Tentmaker.org) > > [bible-truths.com](http://bible-truths.com) > > Do you need a cite that can prove I have not already given you these cites? I need non-evasive answers. Those are both Christian sites. ---
**Author:** ![Mickiel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/0ea827/32.png) [@Mickiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mickiel)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2013, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/435 "2013-09-26T15:48:44Z")
> [@simster](#): > > So - you agree that the ‘Unicorn’ is a mythical creature - why is that? I most certainly agree the Unicorn is a mythical creature, because I have no proof of it; but where God is concerned, I have this proof; Consciousness The Anthropic Principles Irreducible Complexity Biblical archaeology Biogenesis The laws of conversation Kalam Cosomological argument Proteins The animal kingdom The Universe The laws of Gravity The fossil record Metamorphosis DNA The second law of Thermodynamics Life Life spans Entrophy Purpose The first living cells Atheist Causality Chirality Historical Writers Carbon Dating Civilization Language Emotions Females Prophecy Morals No proof that God is not real Increasing Complexity Evolution The law of perpetual transmutation The law of mentality Now give me your list that supports unicorns being real. Well you can’t, but with God you can. ---
**Author:** ![Mickiel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/0ea827/32.png) [@Mickiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mickiel)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2013, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/436 "2013-09-26T15:51:05Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > I need non-evasive answers. Those are both Christian sites. You asked for cites, I gave them; if you spit on what I give you, thats your problem. ---
**Author:** ![Mickiel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/0ea827/32.png) [@Mickiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mickiel)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2013, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/437 "2013-09-26T15:52:28Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > Are you saying atheists don’t really accept things like evolution and cosmology - which are separate from atheism anyway - even though you yourself don’t know what those things are? I see no reason for you to insult me; explain to me how you know what the things are that I don’t know? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2013, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/438 "2013-09-26T15:53:31Z")
Another silly list used to avoid a question. You said, and I quote: > [@Mickiel](#): > > It does not mean it to you, it does mean it to me. The " Concept" preceeds the " Realness." One leads to the other and cannot exist without the other; there is no seperation. If this is true, then since you can conceive of a unicorn, it follows that unicorns must exist. Now, either unicorns exist, or your premise is wrong. Which is it? ---
**Author:** ![Mickiel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/0ea827/32.png) [@Mickiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mickiel)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2013, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/439 "2013-09-26T16:00:30Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Another silly list used to avoid a question. > You said, and I quote:If this is true, then since you can conceive of a unicorn, it follows that unicorns must exist. Now, either unicorns exist, or your premise is wrong. > Which is it? Spare me your futile attempts to impress false things on things I never said; I never said I conceive a unicorn as being real; I said Atheist NEED myths to help support their unbelief in what they think is a myth. You think God is a myth, but God in NO manner of reason can be compared to any myth, because God is historically legit, emotionally legit, scientifically legit, morally legit, legally legit, ( courts don’t use a unicorn to swear people in, they use a bible), and reasonably legit. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2013, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/440 "2013-09-26T16:02:32Z")
> [@Mickiel](#): > > You asked for cites, I gave them; if you spit on what I give you, thats your problem. A cite is not just a random link-it must support the claim being made. If you claim that you are not a Christian and someone asks for a cite for others that believe as you do, than links to Christian websites are wrong. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528.md?page=21) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528.md?page=23)