# The strange concept of eternal hell suffering. **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [September 23, 2013, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528 "2013-09-23T17:54:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 31
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2013, 12:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/601 "2013-09-27T12:52:21Z")
> [@Mickiel](#): > > I think its obvious that humans wrote the bible , and I would totally disagree with anyone who taught differently. And its a fact that 85% of the writers of the bible were not " Christians", and I could challange that the New Testament writers were not " Christians", with the exception of Paul, who MAY have accepted the " Roman created term." You earlier claimed that the authors of the Gospel were disciples of Christ (direct witnesses even) - what would you call these folks? You are re-defining terms to meet your agenda. ---
**Author:** ![Mickiel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/0ea827/32.png) [@Mickiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mickiel)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2013, 12:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/602 "2013-09-27T12:52:30Z")
> [@monavis](#): > > I a sorry, but you make no sense to me at all, Of course you have the right to your thoughts but they are just that, your thoughts! > > As a post script what isn’t in existence doesn’t exist. That would mean your God is nothing. If you are suggesting that the Dead Sea Scrolls do not exist, then you need to visit them in Jerusalem, there still there in their original text. The post script does exist, your just in denial of its existence. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2013, 12:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/603 "2013-09-27T12:54:00Z")
> [@Mickiel](#): > > If you are suggesting that the Dead Sea Scrolls do not exist, then you need to visit them in Jerusalem, there still there in their original text. The post script does exist, your just in denial of its existence. what? he said nothing about the ‘dead sea scrolls’ - whats that got to do with the idea of 'god creating the place he could exist in before he existed" ? ---
**Author:** ![Latro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a87d85/32.png) [@Latro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Latro)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2013, 12:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/604 "2013-09-27T12:55:22Z")
> [@Mickiel](#): > > . Its really an attempt by satan to plant a sinister doctrine … So this Satan fellow is real too? Any other gods that exist as well? ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2013, 12:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/605 "2013-09-27T12:56:56Z")
> [@Mickiel](#): > > The concept of eternal hell suffering is troublesome and really a slur on God’s reputation. Its really an attempt by satan to plant a sinister doctrine of demons into a church and to get them to spread it as if it is the truth; and I think he has accomplished this attempt. Which reveals his awesome powers of deception. So if god ‘always gets what he wants’ - seems he wanted this to happen. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2013, 12:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/606 "2013-09-27T12:58:58Z")
> [@simster](#): > > You earlier claimed that the authors of the Gospel were disciples of Christ (direct witnesses even) - what would you call these folks? > > You are re-defining terms to meet your agenda. He redefines terms and has what could only be called a _very_ low standard of evidence to the point of making the word useless in conversation. This type of Christian groupspeak is almost impossible to deal with in rational conversation. ---
**Author:** ![Mickiel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/0ea827/32.png) [@Mickiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mickiel)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2013, 1:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/607 "2013-09-27T13:00:39Z")
The concept of eternal hell punishment is a " Trojan Horse" in my view, planted by a team of expert demons who know how to seduce the Christian mind. The seduction of the Christian mind was needed in their plan to deceive humanity, because they knew Christianity would have a lot of influence in the 19th and 29th centurys. I believe the idea was to " Dress this doctrine up like it was " Spiritual", or created knowledge from God", then they had to get it inside of the church. Once inside they knew it would implode and plant itself there for as long as that church existed. But the horse, ( or the knowledge), had to " Look like something out of the bible", so the believers would swallow it hook line and sinker. This is the true history as to who created this strange doctrine of eternal hell punishment. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2013, 1:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/608 "2013-09-27T13:02:08Z")
Your god, Satan, demons-are there any other supernatural deities you believe exist? ---
**Author:** ![Mickiel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/0ea827/32.png) [@Mickiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mickiel)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2013, 1:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/609 "2013-09-27T13:03:01Z")
> [@Latro](#): > > So this Satan fellow is real too? > Any other gods that exist as well? No, I think that’s it. In my view, there is only one true God, and father of us all; then there is satan, who is called " The god of this world", because he runs it; and then there is Jesus, and I am not sure if Jesus is a God now, I think that is unclear. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2013, 1:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/610 "2013-09-27T13:04:34Z")
> [@Mickiel](#): > > No, I think that’s it. In my view, there is only one true God, and father of us all; then there is satan, who is called " The god of this world", because he runs it; and then there is Jesus, and I am not sure if Jesus is a God now, I think that is unclear. Why do you not capitalize “Satan”? Is that not his name? ---
**Author:** ![Mickiel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/0ea827/32.png) [@Mickiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mickiel)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2013, 1:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/611 "2013-09-27T13:06:16Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > He redefines terms and has what could only be called a _very_ low standard of evidence to the point of making the word useless in conversation. This type of Christian groupspeak is almost impossible to deal with in rational conversation. I am not Christian, I am not in any group, and I have been speaking with Atheist for 15 years straight on this internet. You can look at [city-data.com](http://city-data.com) archives and see that is a fact, or [religiousforums.com](http://religiousforums.com) and see it there as well, and I have more cites where I have had rational talks with Atheist for years if you need more cites. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2013, 1:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/612 "2013-09-27T13:08:32Z")
You say you believe that Jesus was the son of your god. Do you follow the tenets/teachings of Jesus? ---
**Author:** ![Mickiel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/0ea827/32.png) [@Mickiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mickiel)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2013, 1:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/613 "2013-09-27T13:09:07Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Why do you not capitalize “Satan”? Is that not his name? Satan. SATAN. Satan. There, any other request? ---
**Author:** ![Latro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a87d85/32.png) [@Latro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Latro)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2013, 1:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/614 "2013-09-27T13:10:02Z")
> [@Mickiel](#): > > No, I think that’s it. In my view, there is only one true God, and father of us all; then there is satan, who is called " The god of this world", because he runs it; and then there is Jesus, and I am not sure if Jesus is a God now, I think that is unclear. Plus demons, apparently. Angels too? What are they then, exactly? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2013, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/615 "2013-09-27T13:11:32Z")
> [@Mickiel](#): > > Satan. > > SATAN. > > Satan. > > There, any other request? I don’t recall making a request. I just asked a question. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2013, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/616 "2013-09-27T13:12:35Z")
[The definition of Christian.](http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Christian) ---
**Author:** ![Mickiel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/0ea827/32.png) [@Mickiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mickiel)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2013, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/617 "2013-09-27T13:15:15Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > You say you believe that Jesus was the son of your god. Do you follow the tenets/teachings of Jesus? No, I don’t " Follow" anything; I am not a follower of any body, I keep telling you that I walk alone and it keeps going right over your head. I believe Jesus existed and is the Son of God, but I do not " Follow him", I don’t know him, we have no relationship, he does not talk to me and neither does God. I just understand that they exist, and in all my evaluation of life, based on the facts and evidence I have seen, I think the bible is correct in its teachings of our origins and God and Jesus, it explains everything to me, it fills in all the missing blanks and connects the lines, in my view; not science, not Atheism, not religion. And I do not view the bible as errorless, it is not. I follow my own mind, I follow my own consciousness; period! ---
**Author:** ![Mickiel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/0ea827/32.png) [@Mickiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mickiel)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2013, 1:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/618 "2013-09-27T13:19:38Z")
> [@Latro](#): > > Plus demons, apparently. Angels too? > > What are they then, exactly? In my view, the statement I made is clear, there is only one God; now, that means all others are NOT Gods! A human is a human; a demon is a demon; an Angel is an Angel; Jesus is what ever he his, I am not quite sure what he is. A cat is a cat; a dog is a dog; a fish is a fish.ECT\>\>… ---
**Author:** ![Latro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a87d85/32.png) [@Latro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Latro)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2013, 1:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/619 "2013-09-27T13:26:02Z")
> [@Mickiel](#): > > No, I don’t " Follow" anything; I am not a follower of any body, I keep telling you that I walk alone and it keeps going right over your head. I believe Jesus existed and is the Son of God, but I do not " Follow him", I don’t know him, we have no relationship, he does not talk to me and neither does God. Ok, I suppose the early christians would have had trouble explaining that they weren’t Judaic. Like they based their religion on the Torah, you base your religion on the bible. Understandably, people are going to be confused when you use terminoligy from one source but adapted to your views, which no one knows anything about. > [@](#): > > I just understand that they exist, and in all my evaluation of life, based on the facts and evidence I have seen, How do you know theyexist? How did this being manifest istself? and related… > [@](#): > > I think the bible is correct in its teachings of our origins and God and Jesus, Why the bible? why Yahweh? Why not Wodan? ---
**Author:** ![Latro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a87d85/32.png) [@Latro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Latro)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2013, 1:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/620 "2013-09-27T13:28:13Z")
> [@Mickiel](#): > > In my view, the statement I made is clear, there is only one God; now, that means all others are NOT Gods! A human is a human; a demon is a demon; an Angel is an Angel; Jesus is what ever he his, I am not quite sure what he is. A cat is a cat; a dog is a dog; a fish is a fish.ECT\>\>… Well, I’ve seen cats, I’ve seen dogs. I have a good working sense of what they are. I’ve never seen a god. What is a god and what are demons/angels. What is the difference between the two? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528.md?page=30) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528.md?page=32)