# The strange concept of eternal hell suffering. **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [September 23, 2013, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528 "2013-09-23T17:54:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 40
**Author:** ![Mickiel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/0ea827/32.png) [@Mickiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mickiel)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2013, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/781 "2013-09-29T16:21:51Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Since it wasn’t on your list of Bibles, how many times does the word appear in that version of the Bible, both in the Old and the New Testament? 1. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2013, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/782 "2013-09-29T16:24:17Z")
> [@Mickiel](#): > > 1. Could you please break that down into Old and New Testaments? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2013, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/783 "2013-09-29T16:25:53Z")
> [@Mickiel](#): > > I don’t know. I think God is basically uncreated, which I cannot explain… If you cannot explain a term, perhaps you best not use it in conversation? ---
**Author:** ![Mickiel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/0ea827/32.png) [@Mickiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mickiel)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2013, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/784 "2013-09-29T16:26:47Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Could you please break that down into Old and New Testaments? Well actually I was wrong, its 54; 31 times in the old and 23 times in the new. ---
**Author:** ![Mickiel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/0ea827/32.png) [@Mickiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mickiel)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2013, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/785 "2013-09-29T16:27:47Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > If you cannot explain a term, perhaps you best not use it in conversation? No. I will use it. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2013, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/786 "2013-09-29T16:30:21Z")
> [@Mickiel](#): > > Well actually I was wrong, its 54; 31 times in the old and 23 times in the new. That’s quite a few mistakes compared to some on the list of Bibles you recently provided us, wouldn’t you say? What does the Scofield’s New Study Bible have that the others don’t to balance that discrepancy? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2013, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/787 "2013-09-29T16:31:27Z")
> [@Mickiel](#): > > No. I will use it. Then, without a definition, we can do naught but ignore it. ---
**Author:** ![Mickiel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/0ea827/32.png) [@Mickiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mickiel)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2013, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/788 "2013-09-29T16:33:15Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > That’s quite a few mistakes compared to some on the list of Bibles you recently provided us, wouldn’t you say? What does the Scofield’s New Study Bible have that the others don’t to balance that discrepancy? I don’t know. I am not an expert on bibles. ---
**Author:** ![sentrix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ac8455/32.png) [@sentrix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sentrix)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2013, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/789 "2013-09-29T16:33:18Z")
…but the world is a shitfest and we’re all going to die! how can we ignore it? ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2013, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/790 "2013-09-29T16:34:12Z")
You said above that you believe God created parts of Himself. Does this imply that you believe that the part that did the creating existed during some period of time in which those other parts did not exist? ETA: I’ll be gone for a few hours; on my way to church, then grocery shopping, then bed. Later. ---
**Author:** ![Mickiel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/0ea827/32.png) [@Mickiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mickiel)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2013, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/791 "2013-09-29T16:34:16Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Then, without a definition, we can do naught but ignore it. Do what you please, God is a difficult topic in my view, and its a lot about him that I cannot explain. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2013, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/792 "2013-09-29T16:34:49Z")
> [@Mickiel](#): > > I don’t know. I am not an expert on bibles. Already confirmed. Why _do_ you use that particular version? ---
**Author:** ![sentrix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ac8455/32.png) [@sentrix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sentrix)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2013, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/793 "2013-09-29T16:36:08Z")
> [@Mickiel](#): > > Do what you please, God is a difficult topic in my view, and its a lot about him that I cannot explain. ahhhh the invisible being in the sky strikes again. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2013, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/794 "2013-09-29T16:46:43Z")
> [@sentrix](#): > > ahhhh the invisible being in the sky strikes again. The discussion is about God and therefore perfectly allowable. Your comment? Not so much. Don’t be a jerk. Do it again and it’s infraction-central, destination: you. ---
**Author:** ![Mickiel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/0ea827/32.png) [@Mickiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mickiel)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2013, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/795 "2013-09-29T16:48:03Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > You said above that you believe God created parts of Himself. Does this imply that you believe that the part that did the creating existed during some period of time in which those other parts did not exist? No. Let me explain it differently then; Lets take God’s goodness, which I think is also one of his Spirits. I think there was a time that it was just God, where he was at, what he was doing, how he came to be, I have no ideal what so ever! How long he stayed alone, IF he stayed alone, I just don’t know. I don’t even know how God measures time, IF he does, he probally doesn’t. But at some point he created angels and gave birth to Jesus, and then they created millions, most likely billions of other beings. Then they created humanity. Now, with the addition of all these beings, God had to increase his " Goodness", he had to create more Patience in himself, these beings now demanded that he increase his Love and increase his Mercy and develop more understanding. So the changes God made, were for OUR benefit, he changed himself to suit his creations. He expanded his knowledge because of us. Notice Isaiah 9:7, " There will be no END to the INCREASE of his government." I think this means that God will never stop increasing his Love, his Goodness, the Universe that he is preparing for us, he will always increase his power and his dynamics in himself. Which I think is incredible just to imagine what this enigmatic being can and will do. ---
**Author:** ![sentrix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ac8455/32.png) [@sentrix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sentrix)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2013, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/796 "2013-09-29T16:49:24Z")
sure. don’t get touchy. what’s a jerk? ---
**Author:** ![Mickiel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/0ea827/32.png) [@Mickiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mickiel)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2013, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/797 "2013-09-29T16:50:33Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Already confirmed. Why _do_ you use that particular version? With me I think it was a " First one that I got comfortable with thing"; because I had dozens of them years ago, but I settled on this one in my teens; I have had the same bible for over 30 years. I just liked it for some reason, it stuck on me. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2013, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/798 "2013-09-29T16:51:36Z")
Do you think that Hell(or whatever word you wish to use for it) never existed at all, or that it might have existed, but we humans aren’t going to be condemned to an eternity in it? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2013, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/799 "2013-09-29T16:52:40Z")
> [@Mickiel](#): > > With me I think it was a " First one that I got comfortable with thing"; because I had dozens of them years ago, but I settled on this one in my teens; I have had the same bible for over 30 years. I just liked it for some reason, it stuck on me. Have you studied other Bibles to see how they handle the concept of Hell? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2013, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/800 "2013-09-29T16:53:55Z")
> [@Mickiel](#): > > No. Let me explain it differently then; Lets take God’s goodness, which I think is also one of his Spirits. Could you please define the word “Spirit” as you use it in this thread? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528.md?page=39) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528.md?page=41)