# The strange concept of eternal hell suffering. **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [September 23, 2013, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528 "2013-09-23T17:54:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 41
**Author:** ![Mickiel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/0ea827/32.png) [@Mickiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mickiel)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2013, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/801 "2013-09-29T16:57:45Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Do you think that Hell(or whatever word you wish to use for it) never existed at all, or that it might have existed, but we humans aren’t going to be condemned to an eternity in it? Yes, I think hell never has existed. But I believe God has created lakes of Fire in his world, and there is a Lake of Fire that he created for Demons. I think God looks at and uses Fire far different than we humans do. I think Fire in Heaven is a good thing, not something to be feared. I think God uses HIS fire to purify, to cleanse, to change things, and I think it can be used to destroy, if he wants it to. And no human, in my view of the bible and God, will suffer ANY type of eternal punishment. IF there will be punishing, its only temporary, not forever, God will do no such thing. ---
**Author:** ![sentrix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ac8455/32.png) [@sentrix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sentrix)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2013, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/802 "2013-09-29T16:58:09Z")
jonathan chance the o.p. ( original post ) is about eternal suffering. as a non believer of the crap i simply stated my point of view.’ ‘invisible man in the sky’ opinions are free you know. if this a worship gawd thread i will stay out. if you wish me to quote rubbish from the book of fairytales then state it clear. out if this thread. infraction central? gawd have mercy. ---
**Author:** ![Mickiel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/0ea827/32.png) [@Mickiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mickiel)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2013, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/803 "2013-09-29T17:02:41Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Could you please define the word “Spirit” as you use it in this thread? Spirit is Consciousness; and I am also using Spirit to describe the dimension God exist in, its a Spirit dimension, TOTALLY different than ours. And I am also using it to describe " Beings"; a Spirit being is not human, not flesh, just nothing like anything we are aware of really. Like a ghost or something, just totally different from us. Some of them even look like humans, or have human features, combined with animal features, spirit beings are just awesome, the way the bible describes them. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2013, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/804 "2013-09-29T17:03:26Z")
All right then, sentrix. This is a warning. Your behavior in this thread violates the first rule of the SDMB: Don’t be a jerk. Any further posting in this thread may result in a suspension of your ability to post. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2013, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/805 "2013-09-29T17:04:12Z")
> [@Mickiel](#): > > Spirit is Consciousness; and I am also using Spirit to describe the dimension God exist in, its a Spirit dimension, TOTALLY different than ours. And I am also using it to describe " Beings"; a Spirit being is not human, not flesh, just nothing like anything we are aware of really. Like a ghost or something, just totally different from us. Some of them even look like humans, or have human features, combined with animal features, spirit beings are just awesome, the way the bible describes them. Would it be too much to ask that you use different words for different concepts, to help clear up any confusion? ---
**Author:** ![Mickiel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/0ea827/32.png) [@Mickiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mickiel)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2013, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/806 "2013-09-29T17:04:14Z")
> [@sentrix](#): > > jonathan chance > > the o.p. ( original post ) is about eternal suffering. as a non believer of the crap i simply stated my point of view.’ > > ‘invisible man in the sky’ > > opinions are free you know. > > if this a worship gawd thread i will stay out. > > if you wish me to quote rubbish from the book of fairytales then state it clear. > > out if this thread. > > infraction central? gawd have mercy. This is not a worship God thread, your welcome. I don’t believe in eternal crap myself. ---
**Author:** ![Mickiel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/0ea827/32.png) [@Mickiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mickiel)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2013, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/807 "2013-09-29T17:05:36Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Would it be too much to ask that you use different words for different concepts, to help clear up any confusion? Look, I am doing my best, if it does not suit you, I am truly sorry. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2013, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/808 "2013-09-29T17:18:19Z")
> [@Mickiel](#): > > This is not a worship God thread, your welcome. I don’t believe in eternal crap myself. Do you believe that Heaven will eventually cease to exist? ---
**Author:** ![Mickiel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/0ea827/32.png) [@Mickiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mickiel)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2013, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/809 "2013-09-29T17:33:38Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Do you believe that Heaven will eventually cease to exist? No, it will last forever, I just do not consider heaven to be crap. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2013, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/810 "2013-09-29T17:40:30Z")
> [@Mickiel](#): > > No, it will last forever, I just do not consider heaven to be crap. Can you provide cites about these demonic influences that supposedly inserted the concept of Hell into the Bible? ---
**Author:** ![Mickiel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/0ea827/32.png) [@Mickiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mickiel)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2013, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/811 "2013-09-29T17:44:46Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Can you provide cites about these demonic influences that supposedly inserted the concept of Hell into the Bible? No. Just the two I have already given. Tentmaker and Bible-truths. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2013, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/812 "2013-09-29T17:50:02Z")
> [@Mickiel](#): > > No. Just the two I have already given. Tentmaker and Bible-truths. Since you say that you are not a Christian, are there any non-Christian sites you could recommend? ---
**Author:** ![Mickiel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/0ea827/32.png) [@Mickiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mickiel)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2013, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/813 "2013-09-29T18:01:56Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Since you say that you are not a Christian, are there any non-Christian sites you could recommend? Nope, none that I am aware of. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2013, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/814 "2013-09-29T20:45:24Z")
> [@Mickiel](#): > > No. Let me explain it differently then; Lets take God’s goodness, which I think is also one of his Spirits. I think there was a time that it was just God, where he was at, what he was doing, how he came to be, I have no ideal what so ever! How long he stayed alone, IF he stayed alone, I just don’t know. I don’t even know how God measures time, IF he does, he probally doesn’t. But at some point he created angels and gave birth to Jesus, and then they created millions, most likely billions of other beings. Then they created humanity. Now, with the addition of all these beings, God had to increase his " Goodness", he had to create more Patience in himself, these beings now demanded that he increase his Love and increase his Mercy and develop more understanding. So the changes God made, were for OUR benefit, he changed himself to suit his creations. > > He expanded his knowledge because of us. Notice Isaiah 9:7, " There will be no END to the INCREASE of his government." I think this means that God will never stop increasing his Love, his Goodness, the Universe that he is preparing for us, he will always increase his power and his dynamics in himself. > > Which I think is incredible just to imagine what this enigmatic being can and will do. So, it appears that He’s been increasing in complexity down through the years, hmm? ---
**Author:** ![Mickiel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/0ea827/32.png) [@Mickiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mickiel)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2013, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/815 "2013-09-29T21:04:31Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > So, it appears that He’s been increasing in complexity down through the years, hmm? I mean I think he has, according to my understanding; in Job 40:10 he " Adorns himself with Eminence and Dignity, and gives himself Honor and Majesty." This means he made himself great, made himself of high standing, made himself above all others; He gave himself worth and nobility, and I think it means he can give himself anything that he wants to, he’s so powerful; and he has! So I would say yes, he is increasing in complexity, and that is a sure sign that he created other things that can increase in complexity. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2013, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/816 "2013-09-29T21:12:23Z")
> [@Mickiel](#): > > Nope, none that I am aware of. Bizarre. Do you think these same demonic influences messed with other religious tomes when it comes to the topic of punishment after death? ---
**Author:** ![Mickiel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/0ea827/32.png) [@Mickiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mickiel)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2013, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/817 "2013-09-29T21:18:59Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Bizarre. > Do you think these same demonic influences messed with other religious tomes when it comes to the topic of punishment after death? Definitely, yes. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2013, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/818 "2013-09-29T21:21:39Z")
> [@Mickiel](#): > > Definitely, yes. And yet you say you haven’t read other religious texts. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2013, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/819 "2013-09-29T21:33:12Z")
Yabbut he already pointed out early in the thread that EVERY “religious” text that isn’t the Bible was actually written by Satan. And when he points something out, it’s a fact that you can take to the bank. IIRC, I think he also pointed THAT out… ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2013, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/820 "2013-09-29T21:37:50Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > Yabbut he already pointed out early in the thread that EVERY “religious” text that isn’t the Bible was actually written by Satan. And when he points something out, it’s a fact that you can take to the bank. > > IIRC, I think he also pointed THAT out… And yet he has an unread copy of the Qur’an in his house that he just hasn’t gotten around to reading yet. Is it safe for him to even possess such a demonic book, let alone read it? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528.md?page=40) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528.md?page=42)