# The strange concept of eternal hell suffering. **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [September 23, 2013, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528 "2013-09-23T17:54:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 42
**Author:** ![Mickiel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/0ea827/32.png) [@Mickiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mickiel)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2013, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/821 "2013-09-29T21:43:01Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > And yet you say you haven’t read other religious texts. Where did I say that? I majored in Religion for a year in college. I just no longer hold a large interest in it. See what your doing is called " Fault finding", your constantly questioning me trying to find something wrong , so you can magnify the wrong. Your not debating, your head hunting. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2013, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/822 "2013-09-29T21:45:50Z")
> [@Mickiel](#): > > Where did I say that? I majored in Religion for a year in college. I just no longer hold a large interest in it. > > See what your doing is called " Fault finding", your constantly questioning me trying to find something wrong , so you can magnify the wrong. Your not debating, your head hunting. Were the religious tomes you studied in class adulterated by demons, and if so, did you inform the class and/or the teacher of this fact? ---
**Author:** ![Mickiel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/0ea827/32.png) [@Mickiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mickiel)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2013, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/823 "2013-09-29T21:52:03Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Were the religious tomes you studied in class adulterated by demons, and if so, did you inform the class and/or the teacher of this fact? I think all religions have demons in them; I think all non religious groups are influenced by demons; I think all humans are influenced by demons; I think the whole world is influenced by demons; And 37 years ago when I was in college, I did not think like this. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2013, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/824 "2013-09-29T21:53:33Z")
> [@Mickiel](#): > > I think all religions have demons in them; I think all non religious groups are influenced by demons; I think all humans are influenced by demons; I think the whole world is influenced by demons; > > And 37 years ago when I was in college, I did not think like this. What changed your mind? ---
**Author:** ![Mickiel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/0ea827/32.png) [@Mickiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mickiel)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2013, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/825 "2013-09-29T21:55:03Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > What changed your mind? Increasing complexity in my consciousness. ---
**Author:** ![Mickiel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/0ea827/32.png) [@Mickiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mickiel)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2013, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/826 "2013-09-29T22:00:25Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > Yabbut he already pointed out early in the thread that EVERY “religious” text that isn’t the Bible was actually written by Satan. And when he points something out, it’s a fact that you can take to the bank. > > IIRC, I think he also pointed THAT out… I have NEVER in my life said something was written by satan; kindly show me that. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2013, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/827 "2013-09-29T23:10:55Z")
nm - ---
**Author:** ![Mickiel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/0ea827/32.png) [@Mickiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mickiel)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/828 "2013-09-30T00:31:03Z")
This is an interesting cite with an interesting piece on hell. [http://www.tektonics.org/gk/hello.html](http://www.tektonics.org/gk/hello.html) ---
**Author:** ![Mickiel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/0ea827/32.png) [@Mickiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mickiel)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/829 "2013-09-30T00:40:26Z")
Heres another good one from Tentmaker. > **[The Fruit of the Teaching of Hell](https://www.tentmaker.org/articles/hells_fruit.html)** > > What kind of fruit does the Teaching of Hell Produce? Certainly not Godly Fruit ---
**Author:** ![Mickiel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/0ea827/32.png) [@Mickiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mickiel)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/830 "2013-09-30T00:51:37Z")
An interesting cite on Islamic hell; > **[A Description of Hellfire (part 1 of 5): An Introduction](https://www.islamreligion.com/articles/344/description-of-hellfire-part-1/)** > > The Names of Hell, its presence and eternalness, and its > guardians. ---
**Author:** ![Mickiel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/0ea827/32.png) [@Mickiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mickiel)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/831 "2013-09-30T00:56:34Z")
Here are ten interesting versions of hell from ten different cultures; > **[Top 10 Weirdest Versions of Hell](https://www.toptenz.net/top-10-weirdest-versions-of-hell.php)** > > Today, even people of the same religion often have different beliefs about Hell. Does it exist? Is it a literal place of punishment, or just a symbol of spiritual suffering? But those questions are really just the beginning. Throughout history,... ---
**Author:** ![Mickiel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/0ea827/32.png) [@Mickiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mickiel)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/832 "2013-09-30T01:04:47Z")
And another classic from Tentmaker; [http://what-the-hell-is-hell.com/](http://what-the-hell-is-hell.com/) ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/833 "2013-09-30T02:58:07Z")
> [@Mickiel](#): > > This is an interesting cite with an interesting piece on hell. > > [http://www.tektonics.org/gk/hello.html](http://www.tektonics.org/gk/hello.html) A place of eternal shame fits in with my understanding of Hell back before I realized that nobody can manage staying ashamed forever, figured out the concept of all-merciful God precluded any eternal Hell, and then decided the whole religion thing was a bit childish and silly. > [@Mickiel](#): > > I majored in Religion for a year in college. So what? I majored in English for a year and you can see how much good it did me. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/834 "2013-09-30T03:53:37Z")
> [@Mickiel](#): > > I have NEVER in my life said something was written by satan; kindly show me that. I suppose I must have been remembering something written by someone else. My apologies. Please disregard. ---
**Author:** ![Mickiel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/0ea827/32.png) [@Mickiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mickiel)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 12:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/835 "2013-09-30T12:49:36Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > I suppose I must have been remembering something written by someone else. My apologies. Please disregard. That seems unlikely in my view, but I accept; Peace. ---
**Author:** ![crucible](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@crucible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crucible)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 12:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/836 "2013-09-30T12:56:03Z")
Seems to me the Koran has more explicit information about hell than the bible. Islamic people have told me that such torture was not intended for such folks as might not be Muslim, but only for Muslims who want to leave the faith. I can’t see that interpretation in anything they cite, but, it is their religion, why should I try to tell them what it means? ---
**Author:** ![Mickiel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/0ea827/32.png) [@Mickiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mickiel)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 12:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/837 "2013-09-30T12:58:29Z")
> [@crucible](#): > > Seems to me the Koran has more explicit information about hell than the bible. Islamic people have told me that such torture was not intended for such folks as might not be Muslim, but only for Muslims who want to leave the faith. I can’t see that interpretation in anything they cite, but, it is their religion, why should I try to tell them what it means? Its more important to tell yourself and your children what it means. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/838 "2013-09-30T14:19:13Z")
> [@Mickiel](#): > > That seems unlikely in my view, but I accept; > > Peace. to be fair - you blame alot of things on ‘demons’ - its not a stretch for a person to substitute ‘satan’ for ‘demon’. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/839 "2013-09-30T14:19:14Z")
> [@Mickiel](#): > > Its more important to tell yourself and your children what it means. That they have their religion, and that it is no more and no less valid than any other religion? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/840 "2013-09-30T14:25:01Z")
Where is the evidence for Heaven that does not exist for Hell? What do demons gain by convincing people that there is a Hell? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528.md?page=41) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528.md?page=43)