# The strange concept of eternal hell suffering. **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [September 23, 2013, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528 "2013-09-23T17:54:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 50
**Author:** ![Mickiel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/0ea827/32.png) [@Mickiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mickiel)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2013, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/981 "2013-10-01T19:57:03Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > What part of that link provides evidence that God is responsible for evolution? I can give my views, I can give the sites, but I cannot give understanding of them. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2013, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/982 "2013-10-01T19:57:15Z")
> [@Mickiel](#): > > You are the evidence; who put a cap on your evolution? Why did the human body stop evolving? Why is just our consciousness evolving? The abrupt cesation of our physical evolution is evidence of a creator stopping it, because evolution does not have an independant consciousness to slow or stop itself. Who says we aren’t still evolving? Where did you get _that_ from? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2013, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/983 "2013-10-01T19:58:19Z")
> [@Mickiel](#): > > I can give my views, I can give the sites, but I cannot give understanding of them. You can quote the part of that interview that you think provides the evidence you think backs up your assertion, can’t you? ---
**Author:** ![Mickiel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/0ea827/32.png) [@Mickiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mickiel)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2013, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/984 "2013-10-01T19:59:12Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Who says we aren’t still evolving? Where did you get _that_ from? I say were still evolving consciously; Heres another site on fossils; > **[Fossils: The Biblical View](http://www.nwcreation.net/fossils.html)** > > An explanation of how fossils are best interpreted in light of the Biblical flood of Noah. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2013, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/985 "2013-10-01T20:01:58Z")
OK, this is getting out of hand. Mickiel, I am not yet locking this thread. But you need to post substantive debate in your next few posts or I will consider this thread to have no further purpose and close it. Further, if you continue your extremely limited approach to debate your posting privileges will be called into question. I want you to succeed and thrive here. I want you to believe that. But you must grow into a real debater if you’re going to post in Great Debates. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2013, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/986 "2013-10-01T20:02:13Z")
> [@Mickiel](#): > > I say were still evolving consciously; > > Heres another site on fossils; > > [Fossils: The Biblical View](http://www.nwcreation.net/fossils.html) No. Where did you get the idea that we have stopped evolving physically? ---
**Author:** ![Mickiel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/0ea827/32.png) [@Mickiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mickiel)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2013, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/987 "2013-10-01T20:04:29Z")
> [@Jonathan\_Chance](#): > > OK, this is getting out of hand. > > Mickiel, I am not yet locking this thread. But you need to post substantive debate in your next few posts or I will consider this thread to have no further purpose and close it. > > Further, if you continue your extremely limited approach to debate your posting privileges will be called into question. I want you to succeed and thrive here. I want you to believe that. But you must grow into a real debater if you’re going to post in Great Debates. Close it. In fact I am tired of you claiming I don’t know how to debate, and I am done with the thread myself. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2013, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/988 "2013-10-01T20:07:37Z")
> [@Mickiel](#): > > Close it. Would you mind telling us first where you got the ideas that we no longer evolve physically? ---
**Author:** ![Mickiel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/0ea827/32.png) [@Mickiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mickiel)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2013, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/989 "2013-10-01T20:09:01Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Would you mind telling us first where you got the ideas that we no longer evolve physically? No, I am finished man, I am tired of these moderator insults; I am not posting any more. Peace. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2013, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/990 "2013-10-01T20:10:14Z")
_ **He Walks Alone.** _ ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2013, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/991 "2013-10-01T20:14:49Z")
Now…are there any arguments that there isn’t any “Hell” in Christianity that doesn’t involve demons inserting the term into the Bible? ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2013, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/992 "2013-10-01T20:27:49Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > . . . Where did you get the idea that we have stopped evolving physically? I can’t guess what our correspondent will say, but this is actually a fairly commonplace idea in some areas. The idea is that now that we have medical science, and a civilization that does things like feed people while they’re sick, the harshest edge of survival has been taken off of the evolutionary process. It’s wrong, in at least two ways… One, it simply puts all the more emphasis on sexual selection. If we aren’t evolving for sheer survival, then we’re evolving to look sexier. And, two, there is some actual physical evidence (Scientific American) that human skull bones are growing thinner, because we don’t need all that defense, because, frankly, we aren’t getting bonked on the head as much these days! We’ve evolving a lighter skull because civilization is (astonishingly!) actually civilized. But…it is an idea that has been around for a good while: [“Medical arts end evolution.”](http://www.ted.com/conversations/4761/has_the_advancement_of_medicin.html) (The link doesn’t actually support the notion, but enters into a discussion of it.) ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2013, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/993 "2013-10-01T23:28:17Z")
> [@Mickiel](#): > > No, I am finished man, I am tired of these moderator insults; I am not posting any more. > > Peace. Your proposal is accepted. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528.md?page=49)