# The strange concept of eternal hell suffering. **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [September 23, 2013, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528 "2013-09-23T17:54:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Mickiel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/0ea827/32.png) [@Mickiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mickiel)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2013, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/141 "2013-09-24T20:26:25Z")
> [@simster](#): > > thats not what he said - he said > > (bolding mine) The implication was insulting to me. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2013, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/142 "2013-09-24T20:26:32Z")
**Mickiel** , if you won’t post citations for your statements, this thread is literally doing nothing except filling space. Start posting specific cites for specific claims instead of making laundry lists. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2013, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/143 "2013-09-24T20:26:34Z")
> [@Mickiel](#): > > You got to be kidding me; you have the nerve to accuse me of being rude, after you tell me I am worthless of intelligent conversation. > > Man, get real. Find your own manners before you accuse me of having none; it was you who drew first blood, not me. That is not a very Christian response. ---
**Author:** ![Mickiel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/0ea827/32.png) [@Mickiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mickiel)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2013, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/144 "2013-09-24T20:27:36Z")
> [@simster](#): > > uhhh - what? > > You’ve provided a mish mash of conjecture - you have yet to provide any ‘evidence’. Are you blind? ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2013, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/145 "2013-09-24T20:28:34Z")
> [@Mickiel](#): > > The implication was insulting to me. nm ---
**Author:** ![Mickiel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/0ea827/32.png) [@Mickiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mickiel)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2013, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/146 "2013-09-24T20:28:45Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > That is not a very Christian response. I am not a Christian, and I don;'t like your implication that my conversation is worthless and uniltelligent. ---
**Author:** ![Mickiel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/0ea827/32.png) [@Mickiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mickiel)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2013, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/147 "2013-09-24T20:29:45Z")
> [@simster](#): > > nm Your wrong it was. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2013, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/148 "2013-09-24T20:31:02Z")
> [@Mickiel](#): > > Are you blind? > [@Mickiel](#): > > I am not a Christian, and I don;'t like your implication that my conversation is worthless and uniltelligent. He didn’t say your conversation is worthless or unintelligent. He said your definition of evidence was so broad it made the word meaningless. Now take a breath, stop insulting other posters, and proceed with an argument that includes real cites. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2013, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/149 "2013-09-24T20:32:50Z")
> [@Mickiel](#): > > Your wrong it was. - eta - Marley handled it. ---
**Author:** ![Mickiel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/0ea827/32.png) [@Mickiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mickiel)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2013, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/150 "2013-09-24T20:33:43Z")
Anyhow, enough of this useless conjecture and let me get back on topic. One popular myth that Christians put out is that Jesus and the bible spoke more on hell than heaven. This is not true. Hell is referenced in the bible slightly over 70 times, heaven is mentioned over 1700 times. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2013, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/151 "2013-09-24T20:35:10Z")
> [@Mickiel](#): > > Anyhow, enough of this useless conjecture and let me get back on topic. One popular myth that Christians put out is that Jesus and the bible spoke more on hell than heaven. This is not true. Hell is referenced in the bible slightly over 70 times, heaven is mentioned over 1700 times. Which Christian(s) say this? Got a cite or reference for this ‘fact’ ? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2013, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/152 "2013-09-24T20:35:53Z")
> [@Mickiel](#): > > I am not a Christian, and I don;'t like your implication that my conversation is worthless and uniltelligent. Then what are you? You promote the evidence about Jesus and put down atheists, so you can see where one might assume that you the teachings of Jesus. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2013, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/153 "2013-09-24T20:36:53Z")
> [@Mickiel](#): > > Anyhow, enough of this useless conjecture and let me get back on topic. One popular myth that Christians put out is that Jesus and the bible spoke more on hell than heaven. This is not true. Hell is referenced in the bible slightly over 70 times, heaven is mentioned over 1700 times. Popular where? I’ve never heard this mentioned before. ---
**Author:** ![Mickiel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/0ea827/32.png) [@Mickiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mickiel)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2013, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/154 "2013-09-24T20:37:42Z")
> [@simster](#): > > Which Christian(s) say this? Got a cite or reference for this ‘fact’ ? You have to be in their congregations and hear their sermons to know this fact. ---
**Author:** ![Mickiel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/0ea827/32.png) [@Mickiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mickiel)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2013, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/155 "2013-09-24T20:39:21Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Then what are you? You promote the evidence about Jesus and put down atheists, so you can see where one might assume that you the teachings of Jesus. Excuse me, Atheist came on this thread and started mocking me first. Are you suggesting I cannot defend my beliefs? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2013, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/156 "2013-09-24T20:39:33Z")
> [@Mickiel](#): > > Anyhow, enough of this useless conjecture and let me get back on topic. One popular myth that Christians put out is that Jesus and the bible spoke more on hell than heaven. This is not true. Hell is referenced in the bible slightly over 70 times, heaven is mentioned over 1700 times. The most I can find is 54 mentions of hell in the King James version. What is your source for this fact? ---
**Author:** ![Mickiel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/0ea827/32.png) [@Mickiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mickiel)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2013, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/157 "2013-09-24T20:40:35Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Popular where? I’ve never heard this mentioned before. That’s because your not involved in mainstream Christianity. Your on the outside looking in. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2013, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/158 "2013-09-24T20:41:41Z")
> [@Mickiel](#): > > Excuse me, Atheist came on this thread and started mocking me first. Are you suggesting I cannot defend my beliefs? No-I was asking a question…and I cannot see anyone named “Atheist” posting in this thread. Are you referring to anyone in particular? ---
**Author:** ![Mickiel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/0ea827/32.png) [@Mickiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mickiel)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2013, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/159 "2013-09-24T20:42:10Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > The most I can find is 54 mentions of hell in the King James version. What is your source for this fact? Strongs Exhaustive Concordance of the bible. Copyright 1990 by Thomas Nelson Publishers. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2013, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/160 "2013-09-24T20:43:16Z")
> [@Mickiel](#): > > That’s because your not involved in mainstream Christianity. Your on the outside looking in. So enlighten me-where can I find this erroneous Christian concept? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528.md?page=9)