# The strange concept of eternal hell suffering. **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [September 23, 2013, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528 "2013-09-23T17:54:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Mickiel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/0ea827/32.png) [@Mickiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mickiel)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2013, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/161 "2013-09-24T20:43:32Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > No-I was asking a question…and I cannot see anyone named “Atheist” posting in this thread. Are you referring to anyone in particular? Simster was the first to do it, you want me to make you a list? Its right there for you to see for yourself, just scroll back. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2013, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/162 "2013-09-24T20:45:29Z")
> [@Mickiel](#): > > Strongs Exhaustive Concordance of the bible. Copyright 1990 by Thomas Nelson Publishers. A concordance will contain more references to hell than an actual Bible, because it will refer to words used in the Bible…but the concordance itself is not officially part of the Bible. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2013, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/163 "2013-09-24T20:46:31Z")
> [@Mickiel](#): > > Simster was the first to do it, you want me to make you a list? Its right there for you to see for yourself, just scroll back. Thank you. What religion do you belong to, if you are not a Christian? ---
**Author:** ![Mickiel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/0ea827/32.png) [@Mickiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mickiel)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2013, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/164 "2013-09-24T20:47:16Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > So enlighten me-where can I find this erroneous Christian concept? In Any baptist church, or you can start with the National baptist convention. This is what I call " Common Christian knowledge", learned in their churches and mostly through sermons; which spread like gossip but eventually become as solid as doctrine. This is how much of their congregations learn. ---
**Author:** ![Mickiel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/0ea827/32.png) [@Mickiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mickiel)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2013, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/165 "2013-09-24T20:48:20Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Thank you. What religion do you belong to, if you are not a Christian? I don’t belong to any religion, I am not religious. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2013, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/166 "2013-09-24T20:50:08Z")
> [@Mickiel](#): > > In Any baptist church, or you can start with the National baptist convention. This is what I call " Common Christian knowledge", learned in their churches and mostly through sermons; which spread like gossip but eventually become as solid as doctrine. This is how much of their congregations learn. Can you provide us with just one Baptist site that makes this claim-I can’t seem to find one. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2013, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/167 "2013-09-24T20:51:11Z")
> [@Mickiel](#): > > I don’t belong to any religion, I am not religious. Are you agnostic, then? ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2013, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/168 "2013-09-24T20:51:33Z")
> [@Mickiel](#): > > Simster was the first to do it, you want me to make you a list? Its right there for you to see for yourself, just scroll back. WHere did I ‘mock’ you? If you feel you were personally attacked, report the post and let the mods handle it. otherwise - being called on your ‘facts’ and ‘posts’ in a debate forum is not mocking you. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2013, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/169 "2013-09-24T20:52:37Z")
> [@Mickiel](#): > > You have to be in their congregations and hear their sermons to know this fact. So, you can’t back up this ‘fact’ with any kind of evidence. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2013, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/170 "2013-09-24T20:53:54Z")
> [@Mickiel](#): > > I don’t belong to any religion, I am not religious. Your post(s) in this thread would contradict that assertion - you may not go to a ‘formal’ church but you have stated that you believe in much the same thing they do. ---
**Author:** ![Mickiel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/0ea827/32.png) [@Mickiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mickiel)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2013, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/171 "2013-09-24T20:55:01Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Can you provide us with just one Baptist site that makes this claim-I can’t seem to find one. Thats not something they put on websites, as I already told you, one has to hear that in sermons and taught in their churches; its rumor, like gossip, which Christian ministers put out in sermons, and their congregations absorb it and take it to be doctrine. I have heard it a hundred times, but you have to experience it, or hear it for yourself. [Tentmaker.org](http://Tentmaker.org) goes into more detail about these church myths in an article by Gary Amirault and Mercy Aiken entitled " Honest Questions and answers about hell", an excellent work. ---
**Author:** ![Mickiel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/0ea827/32.png) [@Mickiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mickiel)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2013, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/172 "2013-09-24T20:56:27Z")
> [@simster](#): > > WHere did I ‘mock’ you? If you feel you were personally attacked, report the post and let the mods handle it. otherwise - being called on your ‘facts’ and ‘posts’ in a debate forum is not mocking you. I can handle you myself. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2013, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/173 "2013-09-24T20:57:51Z")
> [@Mickiel](#): > > I can handle you myself. actually - nm - reported. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2013, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/174 "2013-09-24T20:57:59Z")
> [@Mickiel](#): > > Thats not something they put on websites, as I already told you, one has to hear that in sermons and taught in their churches; its rumor, like gossip, which Christian ministers put out in sermons, and their congregations absorb it and take it to be doctrine. I have heard it a hundred times, but you have to experience it, or hear it for yourself. [Tentmaker.org](http://Tentmaker.org) goes into more detail about these church myths in an article by Gary Amirault and Mercy Aiken entitled " Honest Questions and answers about hell", an excellent work. You said it was part of their doctrine. Do the Baptists have a secret doctrine that doesn’t show up on any Baptist websites? ---
**Author:** ![Mickiel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/0ea827/32.png) [@Mickiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mickiel)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2013, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/175 "2013-09-24T20:58:39Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Are you agnostic, then? No, I am not. I am nothing, belong to no group or religion; I walk alone in my belief.And hold no interest in any group. ---
**Author:** ![Mickiel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/0ea827/32.png) [@Mickiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mickiel)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2013, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/176 "2013-09-24T21:02:43Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > You said it was part of their doctrine. Do the Baptists have a secret doctrine that doesn’t show up on any Baptist websites? I think most religions do, its like an undercurrent of beliefs that they never make official. But its there, and as solid as their published doctrines. For example, most Christians believe that when they drink the wine in communion, that it turns into Christ blood; but they won’t write that into their doctrines. In another example, most Christians believe that the bible was written by them and only for them, but they cannot include that in their doctrines because they hold no copy rights on the bible. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2013, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/177 "2013-09-24T21:03:06Z")
> [@Mickiel](#): > > I can handle you myself. This is becoming obnoxious, **Mickiel**. This is the last time I am going to tell you: cool it and stop with the personal commentary. It distracts from any actual conversation you might want to have and it doesn’t belong in this forum. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2013, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/178 "2013-09-24T21:03:11Z")
> [@Mickiel](#): > > Thats not something they put on websites, as I already told you, one has to hear that in sermons and taught in their churches; its rumor, like gossip, which Christian ministers put out in sermons, and their congregations absorb it and take it to be doctrine. I have heard it a hundred times, but you have to experience it, or hear it for yourself. [Tentmaker.org](http://Tentmaker.org) goes into more detail about these church myths in an article by Gary Amirault and Mercy Aiken entitled " Honest Questions and answers about hell", an excellent work. [[QUOTE=tentmaker.org](http://QUOTE=tentmaker.org) site] Tentmaker Ministries website contains thousands of text, audio and video material proving the Christian Hell is a myth. [/QUOTE] Hardly an unbiased site - and I do not see the article you are talking about, nor the reference to your claim. (eta - I did find the article you reference) - but calling it a ‘popular myth’ without any evidence or reference to back it up does not make it true. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2013, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/179 "2013-09-24T21:07:33Z")
Your link to [tentmaker.org](http://tentmaker.org) doesn’t mention anything about secret Baptists beliefs, and the part you want us to reference in particular talks, in part, about the myth of _Jesus_ talking more about Hell than about Heaven. ---
**Author:** ![Mickiel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/0ea827/32.png) [@Mickiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mickiel)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2013, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528/180 "2013-09-24T21:08:15Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > This is becoming obnoxious, **Mickiel**. This is the last time I am going to tell you: cool it and stop with the personal commentary. It distracts from any actual conversation you might want to have and it doesn’t belong in this forum. I don’t understand that comment from you; the man asked why I did not report him insulting me, and I responded I can handle him myself, prefering not to take it to a moderator level; explain to me what was wrong with that? Look, if you don’t want me here I can leave. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-strange-concept-of-eternal-hell-suffering/669528.md?page=10)