# The stupid rumors about Springfield Haitians **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 13, 2024, 4:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-stupid-rumors-about-springfield-haitians/1007210 "2024-09-13T04:48:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![Yllaria](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yllaria/32/3452_2.png) [@Yllaria](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yllaria)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2024, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-stupid-rumors-about-springfield-haitians/1007210/241 "2024-09-19T01:19:20Z")
> [@Horatius](#): > > “Your day” must not have been the 70s, because back then, it was the Chinese food restaurants that were catching the cats for food. And much before the seventies. That’s why Woodland CA has a road called Dead Cat Alley running parallel to Main Street. ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2024, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-stupid-rumors-about-springfield-haitians/1007210/242 "2024-09-19T01:21:13Z")
Oh, heavens, no. He provided the seed money for the clinic many years ago, and went public with his own personal battles. ---
**Author:** ![Baker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bb73d2/32.png) [@Baker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baker)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2024, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-stupid-rumors-about-springfield-haitians/1007210/243 "2024-09-19T01:30:24Z")
Sorry, I was surprised. I apologize. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2024, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-stupid-rumors-about-springfield-haitians/1007210/244 "2024-09-19T01:31:44Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > “Haiti? I absolutely despise-i!” “'E’s a completely 'orrible 'ateful person!” > [@wolfpup](#): > > - Yes, “bad”, not “badly”. It’s being used as an adjective! Is this like the 'pubbies use of “My pronouns are” followed by words which certainly are not pronouns? ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2024, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-stupid-rumors-about-springfield-haitians/1007210/245 "2024-09-19T01:43:40Z")
NBD! When I first moved here, I didn’t know at first that it was about Robert Young, the actor. I just assumed it was named after, like, a psychiatrist who founded the clinic or something. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2024, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-stupid-rumors-about-springfield-haitians/1007210/246 "2024-09-19T02:00:22Z")
Wow, that’s just about perfect… Marge calling out Trump on his hypocrisy, the “45”, Flanders-as-Everyman actually standing up for them, Lisa as Anne Frank… Yeah, he did nail it. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2024, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-stupid-rumors-about-springfield-haitians/1007210/247 "2024-09-19T02:03:08Z")
Just a gut punch. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2024, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-stupid-rumors-about-springfield-haitians/1007210/248 "2024-09-19T20:01:42Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Vance sez it’s not his job to make sure the things he says are true. > > [JD Vance defends pet-eating remarks: ‘The media has a responsibility to fact-check’ | US elections 2024 | The Guardian](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/sep/17/jd-vance-wisconsin-rally-immigrants-media) Well that’s easy. As soon as he, or trump, open their mouth, turn off the microphone. Don’t quote them, don’t even acknowledge that they exist. It’s the only way to be sure they’re not lying. Such winning. ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2024, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-stupid-rumors-about-springfield-haitians/1007210/249 "2024-09-19T20:27:43Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Vance sez it’s not his job to make sure the things he says are true. As I just posted in the How Has Trump Pissed You Off thread, he and Vance had been assured the rumors were false before trump even claimed it at the debates. > [@How has the disgraced, CONVICTED FELON, former President Trump pissed you off today?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-has-the-disgraced-convicted-felon-former-president-trump-pissed-you-off-today/942178/8448): > > Per Heather Richardson Cox, regarding the "eating cats and dogs in Springfield: That story has gotten even darker as it turns out Vance and Trump received definitive assurances on September 9 that the rumor was false, but Trump ran with it in the presidential debate of September 10 anyway. > **[Vance spread Springfield rumors even after his staff was told they were...](https://ohiocapitaljournal.com/2024/09/19/vance-spread-springfield-rumors-even-after-his-staff-was-told-they-were-false-news-report-says/)** > > More than a week ago, Ohio U.S. Sen. J.D. Vance's staff was told by Springfield officials that a racially charged rumor Vance had been amplifying was false, the Wall Street Journal reported Wednesday. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2024, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-stupid-rumors-about-springfield-haitians/1007210/250 "2024-09-24T22:01:34Z")
A Haitian group is filing “citizen criminal charges” against Trump and Vance for their actions vis-a-vis Springfield: > **[Haitian group in Springfield, Ohio, files citizen criminal charges against...](https://apnews.com/article/haitian-immigrants-springfield-charges-trump-vance-012af00a8677da5caed55d03e8779774)** > > The leader of a nonprofit representing the Haitian community invoked a private-citizen right to file charges against former President Donald Trump and his running mate, JD Vance, over the chaos and threats experienced by Springfield, Ohio, since... > Trump and Vance, a U.S. senator from Ohio, are charged with disrupting public services, making false alarms, telecommunications harassment, aggravated menacing and complicity. The filing asks the Clark County Municipal Court to affirm that there is probable cause and issue arrest warrants against Trump and Vance. ---
**Author:** ![Machine\_Elf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/82dd89/32.png) [@Machine\_Elf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Machine_Elf)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2024, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-stupid-rumors-about-springfield-haitians/1007210/251 "2024-09-24T22:21:47Z")
> [@DavidNRockies](#): > > A Haitian group is filing “citizen criminal charges” against Trump and Vance for their actions vis-a-vis Springfield: > > [Haitian group in Springfield, Ohio, files charges against Trump, Vance | AP News](https://apnews.com/article/haitian-immigrants-springfield-charges-trump-vance-012af00a8677da5caed55d03e8779774) Cross your fingers for those arrest warrants… ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2024, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-stupid-rumors-about-springfield-haitians/1007210/252 "2024-09-25T00:27:01Z")
I think its going to be pretty hard to get an indictment on those. Trump and Vance didn’t call in the bomb threats, or directly order them (at least I don’t think), and laws on instigation require that the actions are taken immediately after being instigated. This is why we need hate speech laws, or possibly, on the civil level, class action defamation. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2024, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-stupid-rumors-about-springfield-haitians/1007210/253 "2024-09-25T00:51:22Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > I think its going to be pretty hard to get an indictment on those. Yeah, I am not a lawyer but even my minimal knowledge of the law suggests that there is a zero percent chance of this going anywhere. It’s pretty much a publicity stunt to point out how much of a destructive, hateful, and dangerous shitbag both Trump and Vance are, and on that front I say more power to you folks. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2024, 5:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-stupid-rumors-about-springfield-haitians/1007210/254 "2024-09-25T05:00:11Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > ‘The media has a responsibility to fact-check’ …said by the people who also freak the fuck out every time the media fact-checks them. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2024, 7:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-stupid-rumors-about-springfield-haitians/1007210/255 "2024-09-25T07:46:43Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > It’s pretty much a publicity stunt to point out how much of a destructive, hateful, and dangerous shitbag both Trump and Vance are The problem is their base admires, adores, and clamors for more of that. ---
**Author:** ![garygnu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/garygnu/32/2924_2.png) [@garygnu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/garygnu)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2024, 12:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-stupid-rumors-about-springfield-haitians/1007210/256 "2024-09-25T12:22:09Z")
> [@Horatius](#): > > > [@Smapti](#): > > > > ‘The media has a responsibility to fact-check’ > > …said by the people who also freak the fuck out every time the media fact-checks them. They really mean the media should repeat and amplify their lie. And all to often mainstream news outlets are to reluctant to call a lie a lie, and comply. “Unsubstantiated rumor” “Claim without evidence” Multisyllabic nonsense that leaves open an option for partial truth. It’s infuriating. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2024, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-stupid-rumors-about-springfield-haitians/1007210/257 "2024-09-25T13:42:44Z")
> [@garygnu](#): > > And all to often mainstream news outlets are to reluctant to call a lie a lie Calling someone a liar assigns intent. They can factually state that something is false and they can factually state that a person has repeated a falsehood, but calling somebody a _liar_ is editorializing. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Drake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Dr.Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Drake)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2024, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-stupid-rumors-about-springfield-haitians/1007210/258 "2024-09-25T13:50:09Z")
No it’s not. You don’t have to have the intent to lie to be a liar; you merely have to produce lies. Intent can qualify it (“malicious” or “vicious “), but merely telling untruths is enough to earn the basic label. I don’t think there’s the lesser charge of “truthslaughter,” but maybe there should be. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2024, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-stupid-rumors-about-springfield-haitians/1007210/259 "2024-09-25T14:01:13Z")
> [@Dr.Drake](#): > > but merely telling untruths is enough to earn the basic label. So if I get in a bar argument about who won best picture in 1988 and it turns out I was wrong, I’m a liar? I mean of course Trump is a vicious liar, but the journalist’s job is to report on what is said, not to make inferences about whether or not he believes what he’s saying. ---
**Author:** ![Machine\_Elf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/82dd89/32.png) [@Machine\_Elf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Machine_Elf)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2024, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-stupid-rumors-about-springfield-haitians/1007210/260 "2024-09-25T14:05:36Z")
> [@Dr.Drake](#): > > No it’s not. You don’t have to have the intent to lie to be a liar; you merely have to produce lies. Intent can qualify it (“malicious” or “vicious “), but merely telling untruths is enough to earn the basic label. Check the dictionary, or pretty much any website that discusses the concept of lying, or really almost anybody who speaks English: lying requires an intent to deceive. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-stupid-rumors-about-springfield-haitians/1007210.md?page=12) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-stupid-rumors-about-springfield-haitians/1007210.md?page=14)