# The stupid rumors about Springfield Haitians **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 13, 2024, 4:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-stupid-rumors-about-springfield-haitians/1007210 "2024-09-13T04:48:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2024, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-stupid-rumors-about-springfield-haitians/1007210/161 "2024-09-15T04:36:09Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > In this particular election cycle, we’ve already had a Republican bragging about killing pets. So to regain the moral high ground, Republicans need to accuse people of killing pets and then eating them. That’s more proof [they have exactly zero sense of humor](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/that-ship-has-sailed/996861). I wonder what the next two events will be. (Yea, right. Like they’ll stop at that.) ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2024, 1:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-stupid-rumors-about-springfield-haitians/1007210/162 "2024-09-15T13:06:47Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > “Stand back and stand by.” Oddly, odd folks on both the right and left seem to think the Proud Boys are law-enforcement. The left generally that they are local cops (and that’s why they are almost never arrested) and the right that they are Feds (presumably FBI) and a false-flag operation intended to make MAGA look bad. I tend towards thinking that in the early/mid days of the group some local LEO likely were members, but the ones with any brains at all have at a minimum stopped attending marches. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2024, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-stupid-rumors-about-springfield-haitians/1007210/163 "2024-09-15T15:32:45Z")
These Springfield stories are of course useful for other MAGA morons as well, as seen here in Pennsylvania. When I noticed my co-worker had a Mastriano keychain last year, I knew to expect some nutty conversation from her. > **[Lawmakers riled over idea to use former central Pa. military school as...](https://www.pennlive.com/news/2024/09/conservative-lawmakers-raise-alarm-about-pa-site-considered-for-migrant-shelter.html)** > > No formal proposal has been submitted for the former Scotland School for Veterans' Children campus, and an immigration facility would not be legal under current zoning, according to township officials. ---
**Author:** ![echoreply](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/echoreply/32/3641_2.png) [@echoreply](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/echoreply)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2024, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-stupid-rumors-about-springfield-haitians/1007210/164 "2024-09-15T18:51:12Z")
In a CNN interview about the racist claims about Haitians, Vance says, “If I have to create stories so that the American media actually pays attention to the suffering of the American people then that’s what I’m going to do.” Which backs up the opinion I’ve had (and read from many others), that the details of the racist statement are irrelevant. There’s no real point in saying it’s false, because that doesn’t matter. The point is to advertise how racist the people saying it are. No one legitimately hears it and _then_ forms a bad opinion about Haitians. The only people who believe italready hate immigrants, or Haitians, or Blacks, or whoever. Maybe they believe the specific details, or not, but that doesn’t matter, it’s just reinforcing beliefs they already have, and demonstrating the details aren’t true won’t do a thing to change that. The response should not be “actually, they don’t eat pets” but rather, “fuck you and your fucked up racism.” > **[Dana Bash and JD Vance clash over baseless claims about Haitian immigrants |...](https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/15/politics/video/jd-vance-haitian-immigrants-baseless-pet-eating-claims-bash-sotu-digvid)** > > While speaking with Vice Presidential nominee Senator JD Vance (R-OH), CNN’s Dana Bash fact-checks his baseless claims made about Haitian immigrants in Springfield, Ohio, eating pets and geese from ponds. ---
**Author:** ![F.U.Shakespeare](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/aca169/32.png) [@F.U.Shakespeare](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/F.U.Shakespeare)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2024, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-stupid-rumors-about-springfield-haitians/1007210/165 "2024-09-16T01:28:45Z")
> [@aurora\_maire](#): > > Trump wants to strongly deport the Haitians from Springfield and send them to … Venezuela. I’m reminded of the headline from _Johnny Dangerously_: MORONI DEPORTED TO SWEDEN, CLAIMS HE’S NOT FROM THERE ---
**Author:** ![fedman1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e495f1/32.png) [@fedman1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fedman1)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2024, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-stupid-rumors-about-springfield-haitians/1007210/166 "2024-09-16T02:55:07Z")
and now Vance has said he’ll continue to make up stories ---
**Author:** ![Baker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bb73d2/32.png) [@Baker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baker)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2024, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-stupid-rumors-about-springfield-haitians/1007210/167 "2024-09-16T03:22:11Z")
Not sure about that but I agree there will be huge problems. I hope there is at least a non violent resistance to the bootheels Frump will try to stomp with. ---
**Author:** ![Sylvanz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/fbc32d/32.png) [@Sylvanz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sylvanz)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2024, 4:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-stupid-rumors-about-springfield-haitians/1007210/168 "2024-09-16T04:25:17Z")
I didn’t think Roe would get overturned, or the president (or at least certain presidents) would get rather sweeping immunity. If he gets back in power, I could envision camps for, “treasonous” citizens. ---
**Author:** ![Baker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bb73d2/32.png) [@Baker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baker)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2024, 5:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-stupid-rumors-about-springfield-haitians/1007210/169 "2024-09-16T05:05:59Z")
About Roe you have a point. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2024, 6:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-stupid-rumors-about-springfield-haitians/1007210/170 "2024-09-16T06:41:01Z")
South Africans do love a laugh… ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2024, 10:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-stupid-rumors-about-springfield-haitians/1007210/171 "2024-09-16T10:38:27Z")
So now Trump is going to visit Springfield. Is that the best use of his time? Maybe he’s hoping som angry Haitian understandably makes a scene so he can use it to feed his rhetoric? At least some Democrats are trying to use it against him. Here’s hoping it works: > **[Congressional Black Caucus PAC launches ad in swing New York district...](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/congressional-black-caucus-pac-launches-ad-swing-new-york-district-hig-rcna171159)** > > Republicans control the district, but Democrats are hopeful it can be flipped. ---
**Author:** ![Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mundane_super_hero/32/6304_2.png) [@Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mundane_Super_Hero)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2024, 11:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-stupid-rumors-about-springfield-haitians/1007210/172 "2024-09-16T11:24:17Z")
> [@fedman1](#): > > and now Vance has said he’ll continue to make up stories When will he become the eye-liner guy who cried ‘wolf’…? ---
**Author:** ![BlueOhio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/439d5e/32.png) [@BlueOhio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlueOhio)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2024, 12:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-stupid-rumors-about-springfield-haitians/1007210/173 "2024-09-16T12:01:18Z")
I wish we could recall a Senator. He’s actively harming the people that he represents and would appear to have no integrity at all by his own admission. ---
**Author:** ![Machine\_Elf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/82dd89/32.png) [@Machine\_Elf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Machine_Elf)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2024, 12:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-stupid-rumors-about-springfield-haitians/1007210/174 "2024-09-16T12:04:03Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > They, and Vance in particular, understood the facts from the moment they heard something about Haitian immigrants eating pets - they understood it was nonsense. You don’t need a lot of time to decide that. > > Rather than a casual disregard of the facts, they actively dismiss them. In public, anyway. > . > . > . > It sounds like you think they still value public acknowledgement of objective facts. They don’t. Facts are important for themselves. In private. Because, as mostly intelligent people, they understand the value of information and how it can be used. But they also don’t especially care if the hoi polloi are well informed or not. Bullshit is a real thing, and a real problem: > **[On Bullshit](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_Bullshit)** > > On Bullshit is a 2005 book (originally a 1986 essay) by the American philosopher Harry G. Frankfurt which presents a theory of bullshit that defines the concept and analyzes the applications of bullshit in the context of communication. Frankfurt determines that bullshit is speech intended to persuade without regard for truth. The liar cares about the truth and attempts to hide it; the bullshitter doesn't care whether what they say is true or false. Frankfurt's philosophical analysis of bulls Fr... ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2024, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-stupid-rumors-about-springfield-haitians/1007210/175 "2024-09-16T20:21:21Z")
The editor in chief of the National Review referred to Haitians as n-words during an appearance on Megyn Kelly’s podcast today (jump to 35 seconds in the clip for the relevant part); > So now that that’s out there, Trump is probably going to be shouting it by the end of the week. ---
**Author:** ![EinsteinsHund](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/einsteinshund/32/8400_2.png) [@EinsteinsHund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EinsteinsHund)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2024, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-stupid-rumors-about-springfield-haitians/1007210/176 "2024-09-16T20:26:33Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > The editor in chief of the National Review referred to Haitians as n-words during an appearance on Megyn Kelly’s podcast today (jump to 35 seconds in the clip for the relevant part); Ouch! What a massive slip revealing one’s real attitude if there ever was one! ETA: just watched it again. Telling how he continues babbling nonsense about geese while realizing that he just said the quiet part aloud and then starting to giggle manically/nervously. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2024, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-stupid-rumors-about-springfield-haitians/1007210/177 "2024-09-16T20:31:12Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > The editor in chief of the National Review referred to Haitians as n-words Yeah, it’s not wven debatable, he very clearly said it. How often are you saying that word in private for it to slip out like that? ---
**Author:** ![EinsteinsHund](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/einsteinshund/32/8400_2.png) [@EinsteinsHund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EinsteinsHund)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2024, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-stupid-rumors-about-springfield-haitians/1007210/178 "2024-09-16T20:33:00Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > How often are you saying that word in private for it to slip out like that? Just what I also thought. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2024, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-stupid-rumors-about-springfield-haitians/1007210/179 "2024-09-16T20:54:25Z")
Lowry claims he was trying to say “migrants” and just mispronounced all of the letters. Pathetic. [![](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GXoBDHMXYAAGlZA?format=jpg&name=medium) ](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GXoBDHMXYAAGlZA?format=jpg&name=medium) ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2024, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-stupid-rumors-about-springfield-haitians/1007210/180 "2024-09-16T20:58:28Z")
Rich? If you had just said Haitian n-words then that wouldn’t have been racist . . . as I learned in a ATMB thread. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-stupid-rumors-about-springfield-haitians/1007210.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-stupid-rumors-about-springfield-haitians/1007210.md?page=10)