# The stupidest movie of the last 20 years? (AKA Screw You, Filmmakers) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 31, 2002, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-stupidest-movie-of-the-last-20-years-aka-screw-you-filmmakers/134696 "2002-10-31T13:43:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Swampwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/8edcca/32.png) [@Swampwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Swampwolf)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2002, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-stupidest-movie-of-the-last-20-years-aka-screw-you-filmmakers/134696/41 "2002-11-01T14:55:34Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by gobear \* > \*\* And why doesn’t God use copy editors? \*\* True-- wouldn’t it have been nice if the Bible had been written in more than one draft? Better plot and character development, fewer inconsistencies…hell, we might even have had a happy ending! …which would have given us a sequel. But maybe that’s not a good thing: _The New Testament II: Return of Jesus_ [sub]OK. now I’m going to Hell. [/sub] ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2002, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-stupidest-movie-of-the-last-20-years-aka-screw-you-filmmakers/134696/42 "2002-11-01T15:22:14Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted by blessedwolf \* > \*\* > …which would have given us a sequel. But maybe that’s not a good thing: The New Testament II: Return of Jesus_\* Heh. There’s a science-fiction joke about that. Donald Wollheim was a science fiction editor in the early '60s. He published a line of books called “Ace Doubles”, which were two shortish novels bound back to back. He was also notorious for renaming books and giving them BAD, cheesy titles. Thus, Terry Carr (another SF editor) once said "Y’know…if Wollheim had turned the bible into an Ace Double, it would have been called “War God of Israel/The Thing with Three Souls” Fenris ---
**Author:** ![carrot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9de0a6/32.png) [@carrot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carrot)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2002, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-stupidest-movie-of-the-last-20-years-aka-screw-you-filmmakers/134696/43 "2002-11-01T16:36:00Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by blessedwolf \* > …which would have given us a sequel. But maybe that’s not a good thing: The New Testament II: Return of Jesus I think they already have that out, although not too many paid attention. The Book of Mormon, right? Probably released directly to paperback. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2002, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-stupidest-movie-of-the-last-20-years-aka-screw-you-filmmakers/134696/44 "2002-11-01T17:21:23Z")
The more I read about this turkey, the more amazed I get. I just read in another review that this movie esposes the following vile sentiments: That Christian doctrine should be taught in public schools as fact. That the Bible should be taught as “science” and that any science that is not derived from the Bible is from Satan. (hmmm…is film technology in the Bible?) That no other religions (including Judaism) have merit, and that this should also be taught as fact in public schools. That all secular entertainment is “satanic” (Does this include “The Love Boat?”) And this is the filmmakers’ attempt to cross over to a mainstream audience? What do they say when the heathens aren’t listening? Seriously, you’d think they’d try to tone down the bigotry just a LITTLE bit. Are Barney Miller and Captain Stubing THIS hard up for money, or are they really on board with this garbage? And WTF is Paul Rodriguez doing in this thing? ---
**Author:** ![carrot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9de0a6/32.png) [@carrot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carrot)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2002, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-stupidest-movie-of-the-last-20-years-aka-screw-you-filmmakers/134696/45 "2002-11-01T17:34:38Z")
> [@](#): > > _Diogenes:_ > And WTF is Paul Rodriguez doing in this thing? Cashin’ the check, baby, cashin’ the check. ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2002, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-stupidest-movie-of-the-last-20-years-aka-screw-you-filmmakers/134696/46 "2002-11-01T18:12:22Z")
Heck, Paul Rodrigues would have more dignity if he were a game show host on Univision. And this movie is a sad coda to Hal Linden’s career-he’s much more famous in acting circles for his work in theater than his brief stint on “Barney Miller”. In fact, with the cast of washed-up stars this turkey has, Gavin McLeod really hasn’t left the Love Boat after all! ---
**Author:** ![Silentgoldfish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e36b37/32.png) [@Silentgoldfish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silentgoldfish)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2002, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-stupidest-movie-of-the-last-20-years-aka-screw-you-filmmakers/134696/47 "2002-11-01T19:46:54Z")
The vibe I got from the trailer was that the films message is “people are more religious in an 1890 bible school than downtown (wherever) in 2002.” Well duh. ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2002, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-stupidest-movie-of-the-last-20-years-aka-screw-you-filmmakers/134696/48 "2002-11-01T21:12:32Z")
And what is this business about belief in God being the only basis for morality? Not only are the filmmakers ignoring the fact that non-Abrahamic religions have their own codes of morality, but they also seem never to have heard of the philosophers of the Englightenment, like Voltaire and Diderot, who, as atheists, contrived systems of ethics based on natural law, not from religious dictates. In fact, they seem to not think that any schools of philosophy could exist outside their simple-minded Biblical literalism. For example, while I suspect that the filmmakers would agree with Immanuel Kant that the moral law is a universal and unconditional imperative, I highly doubt that they would approve of Kant’s epistemological deconstruction of dogmatism in _The Critique of Pure Reason_. What would they make of David Hume’s derivation of social morality from an empirical perspective? From _An Enquiry Concerning the Principles of Morals_: > [@](#): > > “The language of morals implies some sentiment common to all mankind, which recommends the same object to general approbation, and makes every man, or most men, agree in the same opinion or decision concerning it. It also implies some sentiment, so universal and comprehensive as to extend to all mankind, and render the actions and conduct, even of the persons the most remote, an object of applause or censure, according as they agree or disagree with that rule of right which is established. These two requisite circumstances belong alone to the sentiment of humanity here insisted on.” And, of course, if anyone showed the filmmakers a few choice passages from Friedrich Nietzsche’s works, I suspect their overworked brain cells would explode. It surprises me that people who declare themselves the followers of a millennia-old religion have absolutely no grasp of the past. If anything, this movie only reinforces my belief that fundamentalist Christianity is the province of the unlettered and the unwashed. ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2002, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-stupidest-movie-of-the-last-20-years-aka-screw-you-filmmakers/134696/49 "2002-11-01T21:19:31Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by gobear \* > \*\*And what is this business about belief in God being the only basis for morality? Not only are the filmmakers ignoring the fact that non-Abrahamic religions have their own codes of morality, but they also seem never to have heard of the philosophers of the Englightenment, like Voltaire and Diderot, who, as atheists, contrived systems of ethics based on natural law, not from religious dictates. In fact, they seem to not think that any schools of philosophy could exist outside their simple-minded Biblical literalism. \*\* But see, following God-less morality leads to **CHAOS AND HORROR**. The bearded guy’s book apparently IS about God-less morality and apparently it leads directly to daytime TV. And after watching Rosie or Jerry or Montel or Sally-Jessie and thinking “Dear _GOD_! How can you allow this to happen?” I have to wonder if the filmmakers don’t have a point. Fenris ---
**Author:** ![Sofa\_King](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/58956e/32.png) [@Sofa\_King](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sofa_King)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2002, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-stupidest-movie-of-the-last-20-years-aka-screw-you-filmmakers/134696/50 "2002-11-01T23:27:32Z")
**The SDMB Is Raving About _Time Changer!!!_** “D. David Morin… nobody… has a greater range!!!” --\*\* Fenris\*\*, SDMB “The story looks… _good!!!_” — **Fenris** , SDMB “I… praise it to the skies!!!” – **Steve Wright** , SDMB “[The film is] to be treasured again and again!!!” – **minty green** , SDMB “This is one of those movies I will pay to see!!!” – **j\_kat\_251** , SDMB “The more I read about this… the more amazed I get!!!” – **Diogenes the Cynic** , SDMB “The filmmakers… [are] philosophers… I highly… approve!!!” – **gobear** , SDMB “[Three exclamation points!!!]” --\*\* Sofa King\*\*, SDMB _With reviews like these, can YOU afford to miss_ Time Changer? _Order your tickets in advance today!_ ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2002, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-stupidest-movie-of-the-last-20-years-aka-screw-you-filmmakers/134696/51 "2002-11-01T23:31:52Z")
LOL You’re goin’ to hell for that, **Sofa King**. 😛 Fenris ---
**Author:** ![Sofa\_King](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/58956e/32.png) [@Sofa\_King](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sofa_King)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2002, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-stupidest-movie-of-the-last-20-years-aka-screw-you-filmmakers/134696/52 "2002-11-01T23:53:05Z")
> [@](#): > > You’re goin’ to hell for that, **Sofa King**. Put me in the theater with that piece of shit playing, and I’m already there, bro. ---
**Author:** ![MEBuckner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mebuckner/32/2896_2.png) [@MEBuckner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MEBuckner)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2002, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-stupidest-movie-of-the-last-20-years-aka-screw-you-filmmakers/134696/53 "2002-11-02T00:02:21Z")
“Put me in the theater with [_Time Changer_] playing!”-- **Sofa King** , SDMB ---
**Author:** ![Sofa\_King](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/58956e/32.png) [@Sofa\_King](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sofa_King)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2002, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-stupidest-movie-of-the-last-20-years-aka-screw-you-filmmakers/134696/54 "2002-11-02T00:15:35Z")
Bwahahaha! ---
**Author:** ![bdgr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a87d85/32.png) [@bdgr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bdgr)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2002, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-stupidest-movie-of-the-last-20-years-aka-screw-you-filmmakers/134696/55 "2002-11-02T00:19:27Z")
Hey, now…Were not giving it a chance. It might be good… Well…It could be. ---
**Author:** ![pesch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pesch/32/4925_2.png) [@pesch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pesch)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2002, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-stupidest-movie-of-the-last-20-years-aka-screw-you-filmmakers/134696/56 "2002-11-02T00:21:10Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by gobear \* > \*\*For example, while I suspect that the filmmakers would agree with Immanuel Kant that the moral law is a universal and unconditional imperative, I highly doubt that they would approve of Kant’s epistemological deconstruction of dogmatism in _The Critique of Pure Reason_. What would they make of David Hume’s derivation of social morality from an empirical perspective? From _An Enquiry Concerning the Principles of Morals_ . . . : > > \*\* I didn’t know Gene Siskel is a doper. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-stupidest-movie-of-the-last-20-years-aka-screw-you-filmmakers/134696.md?page=2)