# The stupidhate - it burns! MI Asst Atty Gen's Gay Derangement Syndrome **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 30, 2010, 11:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-stupidhate-it-burns-mi-asst-atty-gens-gay-derangement-syndrome/555588 "2010-09-30T11:10:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![ambushed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3bc359/32.png) [@ambushed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ambushed)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2010, 11:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-stupidhate-it-burns-mi-asst-atty-gens-gay-derangement-syndrome/555588/1 "2010-09-30T11:10:06Z")
I’m too gobsmacked to do anything but report the basic facts: Michigan assistant Attorney General Andrew Shirvel is so batshit deranged about gays that he spends his off time focusing all his likely lust-fueled HATE on just one college guy. See: [http://www.wxyz.com/dpp/news/local\_news/investigations/asst.-attorney-general-engaging-in-cyber-bullying,-targeting-an-openly-gay-college-student](http://www.wxyz.com/dpp/news/local_news/investigations/asst.-attorney-general-engaging-in-cyber-bullying,-targeting-an-openly-gay-college-student) Sheesh. Sorry if this gets double-posted. I got a database error first time. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2010, 11:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-stupidhate-it-burns-mi-asst-atty-gens-gay-derangement-syndrome/555588/2 "2010-09-30T11:15:12Z")
There’s a[thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=580095) in Great Debates. When come back, bring profanity. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2010, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-stupidhate-it-burns-mi-asst-atty-gens-gay-derangement-syndrome/555588/3 "2010-09-30T13:56:46Z")
> [@ambushed](#): > > Sorry if this gets double-posted. I got a database error first time. It did. I reported your other post. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2010, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-stupidhate-it-burns-mi-asst-atty-gens-gay-derangement-syndrome/555588/4 "2010-09-30T14:33:46Z")
I’m not one who would claim to have a great “Gaydar” but looking at the [youtube interview](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwObjKZg9Jw), Shirvel just reeks of repressed homosexuality. I wonder if some regretted college experiences when he was a student at Michigan could be behind this. ---
**Author:** ![descamisado](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e480ec/32.png) [@descamisado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/descamisado)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2010, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-stupidhate-it-burns-mi-asst-atty-gens-gay-derangement-syndrome/555588/5 "2010-09-30T14:39:50Z")
**Buck** , you’re right, from the video that’s a Michigan bathroom stall encounter just waiting to happen. ---
**Author:** ![Zebra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/c0e974/32.png) [@Zebra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zebra)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2010, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-stupidhate-it-burns-mi-asst-atty-gens-gay-derangement-syndrome/555588/6 "2010-09-30T14:51:00Z")
That guy is so fucking gay. ---
**Author:** ![Kyla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/eada6e/32.png) [@Kyla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kyla)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2010, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-stupidhate-it-burns-mi-asst-atty-gens-gay-derangement-syndrome/555588/7 "2010-09-30T14:53:20Z")
I heard about this a couple weeks ago. (I’m a student at the University of Michigan.) You have to read the [blog](http://chris-armstrong-watch.blogspot.com/), it is CRAAAAAAZY. ---
**Author:** ![Mama\_Zappa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/71e660/32.png) [@Mama\_Zappa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mama_Zappa)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2010, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-stupidhate-it-burns-mi-asst-atty-gens-gay-derangement-syndrome/555588/8 "2010-09-30T16:13:34Z")
I could only get through a couple minutes of the interview. Does he ever come out and say why he has zeroed in on this kid? I mean, WTF??? There are plenty of anti-gay people who are capable of coming across as rational and reasonable-sounding and having reasons for their beliefs… Shirvel just really seems to be making it personal and completely nuts. He never even started with an approach like “My personal religious belief is that homosexuality is wrong and it is dangerous to have homosexuals in positions of leadership. This young man, being gay, is likely to be a corrupting influence”. Note that the above is load of malarkey in my opinion, but at least if I heard someone saying that my first thought would not be “FUCKING CRAZY”, rather “Well, aren’t you a bigot!”. ---
**Author:** ![Si\_Amigo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/si_amigo/32/2877_2.png) [@Si\_Amigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Si_Amigo)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2010, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-stupidhate-it-burns-mi-asst-atty-gens-gay-derangement-syndrome/555588/9 "2010-09-30T16:51:02Z")
> [@Kyla](#): > > I heard about this a couple weeks ago. (I’m a student at the University of Michigan.) You have to read the [blog](http://chris-armstrong-watch.blogspot.com/), it is CRAAAAAAZY. Wow. Homo parties are being “raided” in Ann Arbor because they are serving booze and playing loud music at 1:30 am in the U of M campus area? And it is unknown if any citations were issued in this “raid” (by two very calm looking officers not wearing any homo proof protection like chastity belts or rubbers balls in their mouths), but it is clear that the purpose of the party was to entice young males into the homo lifestyle. OMG. Young people are being liquored up and being coerced into sex at U of M. Stop the press! 😃 Is this guy trying to get a job as a speech writer for Christine O’Donnell or some other teabag nut job? :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![MOIDALIZE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@MOIDALIZE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MOIDALIZE)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2010, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-stupidhate-it-burns-mi-asst-atty-gens-gay-derangement-syndrome/555588/10 "2010-09-30T19:13:44Z")
For some reason, this reminds me of the plot of Karate Kid 3. Some powerful figure, operating from the shadows, punching WAAAAAAY below his weight class to ruin the life of some random kid for unknown reasons. I’m just hoping this kid has a wise older gay man to help guide him through. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2010, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-stupidhate-it-burns-mi-asst-atty-gens-gay-derangement-syndrome/555588/11 "2010-09-30T19:16:03Z")
Could this be considered stalking – at least, in the legal sense? Could he obtain a restraining order? ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2010, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-stupidhate-it-burns-mi-asst-atty-gens-gay-derangement-syndrome/555588/12 "2010-09-30T19:20:08Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Could this be considered stalking – at least, in the legal sense? Could he obtain a restraining order? Check the debate thread for answers on that one. Apparently, according to Bricker, this is all just your average run of the mill free speech peccadillo. ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2010, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-stupidhate-it-burns-mi-asst-atty-gens-gay-derangement-syndrome/555588/13 "2010-09-30T19:28:27Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Could this be considered stalking – at least, in the legal sense? Could he obtain a restraining order? Read the other thread linked above for some discussion of the legal options in MI. ---
**Author:** ![Hal\_Briston](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a9a28c/32.png) [@Hal\_Briston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hal_Briston)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2010, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-stupidhate-it-burns-mi-asst-atty-gens-gay-derangement-syndrome/555588/14 "2010-09-30T19:36:57Z")
No wonder the guy is deranged – > [@](#): > > [Urban Dictionary](http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=shirvel) > shirvel > When a woman receives oral sex while depositing feces into the toilet. ---
**Author:** ![Giltathriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b38774/32.png) [@Giltathriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giltathriel)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2010, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-stupidhate-it-burns-mi-asst-atty-gens-gay-derangement-syndrome/555588/15 "2010-09-30T19:47:47Z")
I met Shrivell a few times while I was a student at Michigan. This isn’t the first time he’s singled out one person to attack. Anyone running for some sort of office is fair game. He’s the most outspoken and least reasonable person I’ve ever met. ---
**Author:** ![sqweels](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f19dbf/32.png) [@sqweels](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sqweels)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2010, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-stupidhate-it-burns-mi-asst-atty-gens-gay-derangement-syndrome/555588/16 "2010-09-30T20:11:29Z")
Gotta love this line: > [@Andrew Shirvel](#): > > “His agenda was…to promote the radical homosexual agenda at the University of Michigan, and to use his position to promote that cause,”. Great circular logic there. “His agenda is to promote his agenda”. It’s an _agenda_ agenda. And those are the worst kind of agendas. ---
**Author:** ![descamisado](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e480ec/32.png) [@descamisado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/descamisado)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2010, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-stupidhate-it-burns-mi-asst-atty-gens-gay-derangement-syndrome/555588/17 "2010-09-30T20:23:21Z")
Well, agendas beget agendas and we all know where that leads, don’t we. ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_in\_Qatar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ccd318/32.png) [@Paul\_in\_Qatar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paul_in_Qatar)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2010, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-stupidhate-it-burns-mi-asst-atty-gens-gay-derangement-syndrome/555588/18 "2010-09-30T20:30:02Z")
> [@Giltathriel](#): > > I met Shrivell a few times while I was a student at Michigan. This isn’t the first time he’s singled out one person to attack. Anyone running for some sort of office is fair game. He’s the most outspoken and least reasonable person I’ve ever met. Remarkable the people we have on the Dope! Thanks for a first-hand report. ---
**Author:** ![Kyla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/eada6e/32.png) [@Kyla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kyla)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2010, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-stupidhate-it-burns-mi-asst-atty-gens-gay-derangement-syndrome/555588/19 "2010-09-30T20:30:41Z")
Shirvell’s [own Facebook profile](http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001632682618&ref=search) is like a textbook definition of butthurt. He has definitely changed it a lot recently - I checked it out when this guy first came to my attention, to see if we had any friends in common. We didn’t, but now I can’t even see who his friends are. ---
**Author:** ![Giltathriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b38774/32.png) [@Giltathriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giltathriel)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2010, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-stupidhate-it-burns-mi-asst-atty-gens-gay-derangement-syndrome/555588/20 "2010-09-30T21:19:16Z")
Well, I used to be vastly more conservative in college than I am now. I got some of his e-mail rants and they were embarrassingly over the top. I remember him calling for a boycott of a pizza parlor because there was a gay pride sticker in the window. I’m enjoying the chaos, but I know he’s never going to learn anything from it. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-stupidhate-it-burns-mi-asst-atty-gens-gay-derangement-syndrome/555588.md?page=2)