# The stupidhate - it burns! MI Asst Atty Gen's Gay Derangement Syndrome **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 30, 2010, 11:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-stupidhate-it-burns-mi-asst-atty-gens-gay-derangement-syndrome/555588 "2010-09-30T11:10:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![heatmiserfl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/df705f/32.png) [@heatmiserfl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/heatmiserfl)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2010, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-stupidhate-it-burns-mi-asst-atty-gens-gay-derangement-syndrome/555588/41 "2010-10-01T16:46:02Z")
Don’t these guys know that they’re outing themselves as closeted gays whenever they go into rabid homophobia mode? Maybe someday they’ll catch on and STFU. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2010, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-stupidhate-it-burns-mi-asst-atty-gens-gay-derangement-syndrome/555588/42 "2010-10-01T16:53:14Z")
> [@heatmiserfl](#): > > Don’t these guys know that they’re outing themselves as closeted gays whenever they go into rabid homophobia mode? Maybe someday they’ll catch on and STFU. I think Shirvell is in a different league from people like Craig and Pastor Long and George Rekers etc.- those guys are mostly hypocrites with perhaps a side order of self delusion, but mostly they’re just corrupt assholes. Shirvell is \*\*\*batshit insane \*\*\*, the closest thing to the Phelps family outside of the Phelps family. If he doesn’t end up strapped with explosives and trying to fuck a raccoon in the next few days he’ll probably move to Topeka and be welcomed to Westboro Baptist and given a 14 year old she-Phelps as his child bride. ---
**Author:** ![Kyla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/eada6e/32.png) [@Kyla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kyla)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2010, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-stupidhate-it-burns-mi-asst-atty-gens-gay-derangement-syndrome/555588/43 "2010-10-01T16:55:58Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > You wonder how somebody that deranged can hold it together long enough to make it through law school without either getting arrested or shot, let alone get a state job. As a note, although Shirvell did his undergrad at UM, he did not attend law school here. His JD is from Ave Maria School of Law, a super super conservative Catholic law school that I thought was still located here in Ann Arbor, but Google informs me has now moved to Naples, Florida. (bzuh?) It was founded by that crazy dude who also founded Domino’s Pizza. I used to know someone who went to Ave Maria and he told me about how he was beginning to realize that homosexuality wasn’t totally evil, and how he could never say that around school because it would be such a radical concept to his classmates. (Come to think of it, Shirvell may have been one of his classmates; the timing is about right.) ---
**Author:** ![panache45](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/panache45/32/64_2.png) [@panache45](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/panache45)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2010, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-stupidhate-it-burns-mi-asst-atty-gens-gay-derangement-syndrome/555588/44 "2010-10-01T17:12:05Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > Read the [restraining order application](http://www.annarbor.com/Shirvell%20restraining%20order.pdf)for a description of a real psycho. I hope Armstrong is carrying a gun because I honestly think this guy is dangerous. I just hope that if he kills anybody it’s himself. > > As for Shirvell he looks like [Nathan Thurm](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOLBQxk72NY)if Thurm was played by PeeWee Herman and he wants to suck a dick so bad his tonsils are tickling. Even his apartment (seen in one of the videos) looks gay. You wonder how somebody that deranged can hold it together long enough to make it through law school without either getting arrested or shot, let alone get a state job. Yes, I have a huge fear that this story will have a violent end. I’d advise Armstrong to have a shitload of protection. And the Nathan Thurm similarity is chilling. ---
**Author:** ![furlibusea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/aca169/32.png) [@furlibusea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/furlibusea)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2010, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-stupidhate-it-burns-mi-asst-atty-gens-gay-derangement-syndrome/555588/45 "2010-10-01T17:17:03Z")
I think poor Shirvell is so closeted he doesn’t even realize he is gay. Someone recently posted that for these guys, other gay people are clearly dangerous and out to get the good “straight” Christian man to participate in “depravity”. They don’t understand that real straight guys don’t have the “thoughts” that would make that other guy over there seem tempting and all cute and stuff. I think I would have nothing but pity for him if he wasn’t also so clearly dangerous. ---
**Author:** ![panache45](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/panache45/32/64_2.png) [@panache45](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/panache45)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2010, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-stupidhate-it-burns-mi-asst-atty-gens-gay-derangement-syndrome/555588/46 "2010-10-01T17:18:18Z")
> [@heatmiserfl](#): > > Don’t these guys know that they’re outing themselves as closeted gays whenever they go into rabid homophobia mode? Maybe someday they’ll catch on and STFU. This is the only way for some people to come out. It takes some cojones to come right out and say “I’m gay.” When you don’t have sufficient cojones, you’ve got to come out of the closet through the back door (as it were). ---
**Author:** ![maladroit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f475e1/32.png) [@maladroit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/maladroit)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2010, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-stupidhate-it-burns-mi-asst-atty-gens-gay-derangement-syndrome/555588/47 "2010-10-01T17:21:51Z")
Shirvell’s taken a leave of absence, according to [NPR](http://www.publicbroadcasting.net/michigan/news.newsmain/article/0/0/1707896/Arts..and..Culture/Assistant.attorney.general.on..personal.leave) This short article also says Shirvell has been banned from UM campus and faces a disciplinary hearing upon his return from leave. ---
**Author:** ![Sitnam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Sitnam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sitnam)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2010, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-stupidhate-it-burns-mi-asst-atty-gens-gay-derangement-syndrome/555588/48 "2010-10-01T17:23:39Z")
> [@Kyla](#): > > Shirvell’s [own Facebook profile](http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001632682618&ref=search) is like a textbook definition of butthurt. He has definitely changed it a lot recently - I checked it out when this guy first came to my attention, to see if we had any friends in common. We didn’t, but now I can’t even see who his friends are. “I am one seriously conflicted individual.” We know Shirvell, we know. ---
**Author:** ![Jenaroph](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e8c25b/32.png) [@Jenaroph](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jenaroph)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2010, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-stupidhate-it-burns-mi-asst-atty-gens-gay-derangement-syndrome/555588/49 "2010-10-01T17:58:00Z")
I’m gonna take a wild, totally unfounded guess and say that’s either a fake account or has been hacked. ---
**Author:** ![crazyjoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f14d63/32.png) [@crazyjoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crazyjoe)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2010, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-stupidhate-it-burns-mi-asst-atty-gens-gay-derangement-syndrome/555588/50 "2010-10-01T18:18:43Z")
> [@Kyla](#): > > It was founded by that crazy dude who also founded Domino’s Pizza. You’re calling Tom Monaghan crazy based on what? The fact that he’s a devout Catholic? ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2010, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-stupidhate-it-burns-mi-asst-atty-gens-gay-derangement-syndrome/555588/51 "2010-10-01T18:22:03Z")
… or that Domino’s Pizza sucks ass? ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2010, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-stupidhate-it-burns-mi-asst-atty-gens-gay-derangement-syndrome/555588/52 "2010-10-01T19:02:45Z")
> [@crazyjoe](#): > > > [@Kyla](#): > > > > It was founded by that crazy dude who also founded Domino’s Pizza. > > You’re calling Tom Monaghan crazy based on what? The fact that he’s a devout Catholic? He’s a devout Catholic along the lines of Mel Gibson; I don’t know if he’s a sedevacantist, but he’s definitely a control freak, HYPER conservative, anti-gay and general right wingnut. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2010, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-stupidhate-it-burns-mi-asst-atty-gens-gay-derangement-syndrome/555588/53 "2010-10-01T22:15:48Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > Read the [restraining order application](http://www.annarbor.com/Shirvell%20restraining%20order.pdf)for a description of a real psycho. I hope Armstrong is carrying a gun because I honestly think this guy is dangerous. I just hope that if he kills anybody it’s himself. Ditto that. I fear that Armstrong is in real danger from this loon; he’s clearly going farther and farther off the rails. And you have to figure that in his twisted mind, losing his job over this will be ALL ARMSTRONG’S FAULT rather than the consequence of his own actions. This level of obsession and fury is the kind of crazy that gets people killed. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2010, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-stupidhate-it-burns-mi-asst-atty-gens-gay-derangement-syndrome/555588/54 "2010-10-01T22:31:37Z")
I’ve tried to learn something about Shirvell’s past but there’s not much available with regular googling. He tried to get his church to boycott a pizza place in 2005 because there was a gay pride sticker in the window and the year before that he heckled a pro-choice political candidate, and he went to Ave Maria in Florida and before that U of MI. I found something where in 2007 he was accusing the Alumni Assn of Ave Maria (I believe) of covering up a [child pornography scandal](http://www.avelawalumni.info/0701AnnualMeeting.pdf) involving a Father Orsi. Shirvell seems to be about 30, but that’s about where what’s easily learned about him ends as for every article before the Armstrong case there are about 500 articles _about_ the Armstrong case. One of his many allegations and complaints about Armstrong is that he’s “elitist” and a spoiled rich kid, which I’ve no idea if it’s true or not but it would imply Shirvell’s from a working class background. OTOH he’s batshit insane so if his own dad was a billionaire he could still find a way to hold it against Armstrong. The allegations of Armstrong’s racism are based on the fact he belongs to the Order of Angell which at one point used[Native American artifacts](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_Angell#.22Michigamua.22_and_Native_American_Issues) and paraphernalia in their ceremonies- this in a different time long before Armstrong was ever even associated with them and when it fact they were called the Michigamua Society. (Gerald Ford was one of several well known Michiganians to have been a member of this society.) If Armstrong’s parents really are well to do then I think now might be the time to give Junior the credit card and have him go visit family or friends in Oregon or New Mexico or some other place that isn’t anywhere near Michigan until Monday when the judge hears the petition. (If he needs the address or phone number of his out of state distant relatives I’m sure he can ask Shirvell, who probably has them on speed dial.) ---
**Author:** ![BayouHazard](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d78d45/32.png) [@BayouHazard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BayouHazard)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2010, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-stupidhate-it-burns-mi-asst-atty-gens-gay-derangement-syndrome/555588/55 "2010-10-01T22:38:41Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > Read the [restraining order application](http://www.annarbor.com/Shirvell%20restraining%20order.pdf)for a description of a real psycho. Thanks for posting that. That is seriously deranged. I think that guy’s got some sort of psych disorder operating as well. He’s not _just_ being a Queen in De’nial. ---
**Author:** ![Kyla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/eada6e/32.png) [@Kyla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kyla)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2010, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-stupidhate-it-burns-mi-asst-atty-gens-gay-derangement-syndrome/555588/56 "2010-10-01T23:40:08Z")
> [@crazyjoe](#): > > > [@Kyla](#): > > > > It was founded by that crazy dude who also founded Domino’s Pizza. > > You’re calling Tom Monaghan crazy based on what? The fact that he’s a devout Catholic? Yes, he’s crazy because he’s Catholic. I totally said that! Right? It’s right there! Wait, no, I never said that at all. Tom Monaghan being a right-wing nutjob has nothing to do with him being Catholic. My grandparents were devout Catholics and kind and generous people who were in no way right-wing nutjobs. Right-wing nutjobbery is not limited to any particular religion. ---
**Author:** ![BayouHazard](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d78d45/32.png) [@BayouHazard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BayouHazard)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2010, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-stupidhate-it-burns-mi-asst-atty-gens-gay-derangement-syndrome/555588/57 "2010-10-01T23:42:07Z")
> [@Kyla](#): > > Right-wing nutjobbery is not limited to any particular religion. AY-MEN, sistah!😃 ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2010, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-stupidhate-it-burns-mi-asst-atty-gens-gay-derangement-syndrome/555588/58 "2010-10-02T00:43:39Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > As for Shirvell he looks like [Nathan Thurm](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOLBQxk72NY)if Thurm was played by PeeWee Herman and he wants to suck a dick so bad his tonsils are tickling. I think you um, mean so bad his, um, lips are, um, quivering. Aren’t, um, state attorneys, um, generals taken from the, um, general stock of, um, attorneys, which, um, means a body of, um, people who are, um, at least cursorily, um, trained in, um, basic charisma and, um, speaking, um, in, um, public, um um um ? He says “um” a lot, is my point. ---
**Author:** ![crazyjoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f14d63/32.png) [@crazyjoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crazyjoe)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2010, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-stupidhate-it-burns-mi-asst-atty-gens-gay-derangement-syndrome/555588/59 "2010-10-03T00:28:13Z")
> [@Kyla](#): > > > [@crazyjoe](#): > > > > You’re calling Tom Monaghan crazy based on what? The fact that he’s a devout Catholic? > > Yes, he’s crazy because he’s Catholic. I totally said that! Right? It’s right there! > > Wait, no, I never said that at all. > > Tom Monaghan being a right-wing nutjob has nothing to do with him being Catholic. My grandparents were devout Catholics and kind and generous people who were in no way right-wing nutjobs. Right-wing nutjobbery is not limited to any particular religion. Tom Monaghan is no more a right-wing nutjob than any typical Catholic priest, except he has money which he uses to advance a political agenda which tends to line up with the Catholic beleif system, such as being Pro-Life and against SSM. Just what about him is not the way a devout Catholic would behave? ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2010, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-stupidhate-it-burns-mi-asst-atty-gens-gay-derangement-syndrome/555588/60 "2010-10-03T00:31:59Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > > [@Sampiro](#): > > > > As for Shirvell he looks like [Nathan Thurm](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOLBQxk72NY)if Thurm was played by PeeWee Herman and he wants to suck a dick so bad his tonsils are tickling. > > I think you um, mean so bad his, um, lips are, um, quivering. Aren’t, um, state attorneys, um, generals taken from the, um, general stock of, um, attorneys, which, um, means a body of, um, people who are, um, at least cursorily, um, trained in, um, basic charisma and, um, speaking, um, in, um, public, um um um ? > > He says “um” a lot, is my point. If you “read” his “blog” he uses “inappropriate” quotes quite “frequently,” too. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-stupidhate-it-burns-mi-asst-atty-gens-gay-derangement-syndrome/555588.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-stupidhate-it-burns-mi-asst-atty-gens-gay-derangement-syndrome/555588.md?page=4)