# The Supreme Court and the Trump Administration **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [March 5, 2025, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-supreme-court-and-the-trump-administration/1015175 "2025-03-05T20:52:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2025, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-supreme-court-and-the-trump-administration/1015175/21 "2025-03-14T22:29:00Z")
I _hope_ one of the justices questions the implications of suggesting that such people aren’t subject to the jurisdiction of the United States. Are they therefore immune from speeding tickets? What about arrest and prosecution for misdemeanor or felony crimes? How can you deport them on the one hand while claiming they’re not subject to your jurisdiction with the other? I am not a lawyer but this seems contradictory. ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2025, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-supreme-court-and-the-trump-administration/1015175/22 "2025-03-15T02:23:51Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > So if these individuals _aren’t_ subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, under what basis is the US Government deporting them? As a matter of policy, I think children born here, to undocumented residents, should remain citizens. But people here who have diplomatic immunity, and thus clearly are not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, can nevertheless be expelled AKA deported. So if being expellable makes you subject to the jurisdiction of the U.S., everyone is subject to the jurisdiction of the U.S. And that goes against precedent Taking the 14th amendment hyperliterally, and ignoring precedent, you can play around with the words and make them mean what you want. ---
**Author:** ![Bookkeeper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bookkeeper/32/281_2.png) [@Bookkeeper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bookkeeper)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2025, 4:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-supreme-court-and-the-trump-administration/1015175/23 "2025-03-16T04:46:53Z")
> [@PhillyGuy](#): > > But people here who have diplomatic immunity, and thus clearly are not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, can nevertheless be expelled AKA deported. So if being expellable makes you subject to the jurisdiction of the U.S., everyone is subject to the jurisdiction of the U.S. And that goes against precedent > > Taking the 14th amendment hyperliterally, and ignoring precedent, you can play around with the words and make them mean what you want. I believe that people with diplomatic immunity are not actually “expelled” - they are declared to be “Persona non grata” meaning that the host country will no longer accept them as diplomats, and that they need to leave within a defined time or they will cease to have diplomatic immunity and WILL be subject to the jurisdiction of that country. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2025, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-supreme-court-and-the-trump-administration/1015175/24 "2025-03-18T17:36:57Z")
> In an extraordinary display of conflict between the executive and judiciary branches, Supreme Court Chief Justice [John Roberts](https://apnews.com/article/judges-security-threats-impeachment-e4f6a57da81e7037cb9ef8693f26e17a) rejected calls for impeaching federal judges shortly after President [Donald Trump](https://apnews.com/article/trump-putin-call-ceasefire-russia-ukraine-zelenskyy-0d2ca5b69761082979dd9836932ae84f) demanded the removal of a judge who ruled against his deportation plans. > > “For more than two centuries, it has been established that impeachment is not an appropriate response to disagreement concerning a judicial decision,” Roberts said in a rare statement. “The normal appellate review process exists for that purpose.” > **[Roberts rejects Trump's call for impeaching judge who ruled against his...](https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-federal-judges-impeachment-29da1153a9f82106748098a6606fec39)** > > Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts rejected calls for impeaching federal judges shortly after President Donald Trump demanded the removal of a judge who ruled against his deportation plans. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2025, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-supreme-court-and-the-trump-administration/1015175/25 "2025-03-18T17:41:49Z")
Yeah, good luck with that, John-boy! ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2025, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-supreme-court-and-the-trump-administration/1015175/26 "2025-03-18T19:41:55Z")
If the MAGA House decides to impeach a judge they have the slimmest of margins to allow them to do it. However, they will never be able to remove them as they lack the votes in the Senate to convict. ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2025, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-supreme-court-and-the-trump-administration/1015175/27 "2025-03-18T22:51:02Z")
> [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](#): > > If the MAGA House decides to impeach a judge they have the slimmest of margins to allow them to do it3. . However, they will never be able to remove them as they lack the votes in the Senate to convict. That’s true. But Donald Trump is just as free as I believe I am to exercise his first amendment right to say that a judge should be impeached. Next time there is a Democratic president and senate, Roberts should be impeached and removed for: 1. Swearing in, as president, someone disqualified for the office (14th amendment Section 3). 2. Trying to intimidate a citizen — Donald Trump — into giving up their first amendment right to call for a judicial impeachment. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2025, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-supreme-court-and-the-trump-administration/1015175/28 "2025-03-18T23:03:45Z")
> [@PhillyGuy](#): > > Swearing in, as president, someone disqualified for the office (14th amendment Section 3). False premise - Trump is not constitutionally ineligible, and it’s not the Chief Justice’s prerogative to decide that. ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2025, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-supreme-court-and-the-trump-administration/1015175/29 "2025-03-18T23:21:42Z")
Trump’s response to Roberts was to essentially repeat the impeachment call: [But many people have called for his impeachment. The impeachment of this judge. I don’t know who the judge is. He is radical left. He is Obama-appointed,” Trump said, according to an early clip shared on the social platform X.](https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5201997-trump-roberts-federal-judge-deportation-case/) Does anyone have a plausible idea of where Roberts is coming from here? He can’t be so ill-informed to think he can muzzle Donald Trump. Right? And would Roberts have said this without getting some sort of verbal OK from at least four other justices? Last year, when I wrote that SCOTUS should disqualify Trump from running, one objection I remember was that the SCOTUS does not directly act to support and defend the Constitution, but rather only rules on cases. Roberts’ political bomb today seems to argue against that. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2025, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-supreme-court-and-the-trump-administration/1015175/30 "2025-03-18T23:27:10Z")
> [@PhillyGuy](#): > > Does anyone have a plausible idea of where Roberts is coming from here? He can’t be so ill-informed to think he can muzzle Donald Trump. Right? As the head of the Judicial Conference of the United States, Roberts may very well feel some responsibility to reduce the likelihood that any of his colleagues are murdered by an unhinged MAGA spurred on by Trump and Musk: > **[Judicial Conference of the United States](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judicial_Conference_of_the_United_States)** > > The Judicial Conference of the United States, formerly known as the Conference of Senior Circuit Judges, was created by the United States Congress in 1922 with the principal objective of framing policy guidelines for administration of judicial courts in the United States. The Conference derives its authority from 28 U.S.C. § 331, which states that it is headed by the chief justice of the United States and consists of the chief justice, the chief judge of each court of appeals federal regional cir... ---
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2025, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-supreme-court-and-the-trump-administration/1015175/31 "2025-03-18T23:42:07Z")
> [@PhillyGuy](#): > > Does anyone have a plausible idea of where Roberts is coming from here? I think it is just BS posturing. With a soupcon of being out of touch. Thinking the Supremes are as “above it all” as in times past. Aiming for a fig leaf, while his corrupt court enables Trump’s worst. ---
**Author:** ![DeadTreasSecretaries](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deadtreassecretaries/32/4817_2.png) [@DeadTreasSecretaries](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DeadTreasSecretaries)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2025, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-supreme-court-and-the-trump-administration/1015175/32 "2025-03-19T00:43:23Z")
For being so into “history and tradition” they should realize that the Supreme Court hasn’t been above it all since John Marshall. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2025, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-supreme-court-and-the-trump-administration/1015175/33 "2025-03-28T18:12:00Z")
> **[Trump asks Supreme Court for permission to resume deporting Venezuelan...](https://apnews.com/article/supreme-court-trump-deportations-venezuela-04b2d81c9baa6c4f59855daf39fe82b0)** > > The Trump administration is asking the Supreme Court for permission to resume deportations of Venezuelan migrants to El Salvador under an 18th century wartime law, while a court fight continues. Hopefully the Court will reject it. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2025, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-supreme-court-and-the-trump-administration/1015175/34 "2025-04-03T00:48:47Z")
I was surprised that this decision was unanimous: > **[Unanimous Supreme Court upholds FDA block of flavored vapes](https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/unanimous-supreme-court-upholds-fda-block-flavored-vapes/story?id=120417790)** > > The Supreme Court backed the FDA's refusal to authorize the sale of kid-friendly flavored vapes, including the flavors "Killer Kustard Blueberry" and "Rainbow Road." ---
**Author:** ![WOOKINPANUBv.2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wookinpanubv.2/32/3260_2.png) [@WOOKINPANUBv.2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WOOKINPANUBv.2)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2025, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-supreme-court-and-the-trump-administration/1015175/35 "2025-04-03T01:02:12Z")
“. . .To end this crisis, the FDA must deny marketing applications for flavored e-cigarettes and step up enforcement efforts to clear the market of illegal products…” (Snipped from article) There’s marketing? Anyway, I thought flavored vapes were already outlawed? So said the proprietor of my local head shop several weeks ago. I bought some online from a company in S. Carolina. There was a message “we cannot sell flavored vapes in the State of California” , yet they shipped them. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2025, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-supreme-court-and-the-trump-administration/1015175/36 "2025-04-03T01:45:50Z")
That message suggests that flavored vapes were outlawed in the state of California, while the Supreme Court ruling allows for a national ban. ---
**Author:** ![WOOKINPANUBv.2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wookinpanubv.2/32/3260_2.png) [@WOOKINPANUBv.2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WOOKINPANUBv.2)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2025, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-supreme-court-and-the-trump-administration/1015175/37 "2025-04-03T01:47:31Z")
Makes sense; thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Hari\_Seldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hari_seldon/32/5173_2.png) [@Hari\_Seldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hari_Seldon)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2025, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-supreme-court-and-the-trump-administration/1015175/38 "2025-04-03T22:18:47Z")
Doesn’t that conflict with the fed’s exclusive right to regulate interstate commerce? That was why the 21st amendment had to make an explicit exception to allow a state to remain dry or to regulate the sale of liquor within its boundaries. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2025, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-supreme-court-and-the-trump-administration/1015175/39 "2025-04-04T23:28:02Z")
> **[Supreme Court allows Trump to freeze dozens of teacher training grants | CNN...](https://www.cnn.com/2025/04/04/politics/supreme-court-trump-teacher-grants/index.html)** > > The Supreme Court on Friday allowed President Donald Trump to temporarily freeze millions of dollars in grants to states for addressing teacher shortages, the administration’s first win at the high court since reclaiming power in January. The decision was 5-4. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2025, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-supreme-court-and-the-trump-administration/1015175/40 "2025-04-04T23:31:05Z")
> [@PastTense](#): > > The decision was 5-4. Let me take a wild guess who the 5 were in this wonderfully impartial, non-political, and totally rational Supreme Court! 🙄 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-supreme-court-and-the-trump-administration/1015175.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-supreme-court-and-the-trump-administration/1015175.md?page=3)