# The Supreme Court isn't done: Watch and see a lot of individual rights fall **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** roe\_vs\_wade\_abortion\ **Created:** [June 25, 2022, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-supreme-court-isnt-done-watch-and-see-a-lot-of-individual-rights-fall/966843 "2022-06-25T15:08:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2022, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-supreme-court-isnt-done-watch-and-see-a-lot-of-individual-rights-fall/966843/141 "2022-06-30T16:29:25Z")
Yeah, they had their sovereignty since before our ancestors ever saw this land. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2022, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-supreme-court-isnt-done-watch-and-see-a-lot-of-individual-rights-fall/966843/142 "2022-06-30T16:33:03Z")
I’m really worried now. Any chance someone can metaphysically talk me off the ledge following those two Supreme Court announcements? ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2022, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-supreme-court-isnt-done-watch-and-see-a-lot-of-individual-rights-fall/966843/143 "2022-06-30T16:38:17Z")
Why don’t they just save themselves some time and issue a blanket opinion? “Republicans get whatever they want.” ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2022, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-supreme-court-isnt-done-watch-and-see-a-lot-of-individual-rights-fall/966843/144 "2022-06-30T16:55:30Z")
Because they don’t. Just yesterday, the Supreme Court ruled in favor of the Biden administration on Mexican-migrant policies. ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2022, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-supreme-court-isnt-done-watch-and-see-a-lot-of-individual-rights-fall/966843/145 "2022-06-30T17:01:04Z")
Oh, fine, spoil my mini-rant with facts. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2022, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-supreme-court-isnt-done-watch-and-see-a-lot-of-individual-rights-fall/966843/146 "2022-06-30T17:03:14Z")
That Mexican-migrant thing might qualify as “throwing the Dems a bone.” ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2022, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-supreme-court-isnt-done-watch-and-see-a-lot-of-individual-rights-fall/966843/147 "2022-06-30T17:10:32Z")
I was thinking the same thing. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Drake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Dr.Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Drake)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2022, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-supreme-court-isnt-done-watch-and-see-a-lot-of-individual-rights-fall/966843/148 "2022-06-30T17:13:07Z")
Or “recognizing that an underclass of undocumented workers benefits the economic status quo—all the benefits of labor without many of the costs of social services.” ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2022, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-supreme-court-isnt-done-watch-and-see-a-lot-of-individual-rights-fall/966843/149 "2022-06-30T17:24:42Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > That Mexican-migrant thing might qualify as “throwing the Dems a bone.” And a bit of a poison pill, too. I don’t think Biden welcomed this decision coming right now, because it throws immigration back into the spotlight front and center, just before the mid-terms. ---
**Author:** ![lobotomyboy63](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobotomyboy63/32/2900_2.png) [@lobotomyboy63](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lobotomyboy63)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2022, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-supreme-court-isnt-done-watch-and-see-a-lot-of-individual-rights-fall/966843/150 "2022-06-30T17:50:34Z")
Back in December, Sotomayor said it well: > “Will this institution survive the stench that this creates in the public perception that the constitution and its reading are just political acts?” she said. “I don’t see how it is possible.” > **[The ‘stench’ of politicization: Sonia Sotomayor’s supreme court warning](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/dec/04/us-supreme-courrt-sonia-sotomayor-abortion)** > > Oral arguments over the Mississippi abortion case this week showed the threat to Roe v Wade from an increasingly politicized court ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2022, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-supreme-court-isnt-done-watch-and-see-a-lot-of-individual-rights-fall/966843/151 "2022-06-30T18:57:30Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Yeah, they had their sovereignty since before our ancestors ever saw this land. And to finish your sentence: . . .and then had it taken away from them while they underwent genocide and marginalization before fighting back in the courts to salvage a modicum of respect. > [@Dr.Drake](#): > > I would say “to have their sovereignty recognized by the USA,” as otherwise, what’s to stop, say, the South from obtaining sovereignty? I’d like to see the argument for that that would hold up in court. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Drake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Dr.Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Drake)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2022, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-supreme-court-isnt-done-watch-and-see-a-lot-of-individual-rights-fall/966843/152 "2022-06-30T19:27:50Z")
> [@Chefguy](#): > > I’d like to see the argument for that that would hold up in court. That was my point. There is no way to OBTAIN sovereignty from the USA. You either have it because you’re a sovereign nation, or you don’t. ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2022, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-supreme-court-isnt-done-watch-and-see-a-lot-of-individual-rights-fall/966843/153 "2022-06-30T20:01:37Z")
This is one of the dumber lines of argument the revanchists on the court are taking. Yes, the U.S. Constitution clearly says _state legislatures_ get to regulate State elections. And what have all the States done? They have written constitutions and passed laws that delegate significant oversight authority to the courts of their States. If a State legislature found sufficient support to amend their State constitutions and eviscerate the power of the State courts to hear State election law cases…that _likely_ would be constitutional (but very poor policy.) If a State really wants to go that route, they should have to actually do the heavy lifting of amending their State constitution with a noxious, undemocratic amendment. They don’t need nor should they receive a grant from the Federal Supreme Court nuking what is frankly a matter that shouldn’t even be subject to Federal judicial review–namely how a State legislature has chosen to delegate granted authority. ---
**Author:** ![Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiendish_astronaut/32/3295_2.png) [@Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiendish_Astronaut)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2022, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-supreme-court-isnt-done-watch-and-see-a-lot-of-individual-rights-fall/966843/154 "2022-06-30T21:03:58Z")
> [@Love\_Rhombus](#): > > Also Supreme Court: [Let’s just forget about climate change too, ok?](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna31904) Is this a big story in the US? it’s leading the main BBC News headlines today saying it’s a devastating blow to the world’s attempts to curb climate change. ---
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2022, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-supreme-court-isnt-done-watch-and-see-a-lot-of-individual-rights-fall/966843/155 "2022-06-30T21:19:59Z")
It’s the lead story on the Washington Post and NY Times online sites. Everything is kind of secondary right now to the Dobbs ruling and 1/6 Committee reports though. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2022, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-supreme-court-isnt-done-watch-and-see-a-lot-of-individual-rights-fall/966843/156 "2022-07-01T01:23:08Z")
Neither you, nor I, nor the SDMB, the internet, or popular opinion determine what constitutes an Establishment Clause violation. The Supreme Court does: “It is emphatically the province and duty of the Judicial Department to say what the law is.” — _Marbury_, 5 U.S. at 177.[[37]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marbury_v._Madison#cite_note-40) ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2022, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-supreme-court-isnt-done-watch-and-see-a-lot-of-individual-rights-fall/966843/157 "2022-07-01T01:33:59Z")
Note that Gorsuch strongly disapproved of this ruling. > [@Velocity](#): > > Because they don’t. Just yesterday, the Supreme Court ruled in favor of the Biden administration on Mexican-migrant policies. Yeah, some are strict constructionists, and altho Roe was a wonderful decision, it was a stretch for strict constructionists. > [@Dr.Drake](#): > > I would say “to have their sovereignty recognized by the USA,” as otherwise, what’s to stop, say, the South from obtaining sovereignty? The Southern states _are_ sovereign. The Indian tribes are by no means sovereign _nations_, they are much like sovereign states. Many recognized tribes are kinda small states, coming under Federal, but not State, law. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2022, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-supreme-court-isnt-done-watch-and-see-a-lot-of-individual-rights-fall/966843/158 "2022-07-01T01:45:12Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > altho Roe was a wonderful decision This was sarcasm, right? I genuinely can’t tell, but I’m assuming/hoping so? ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2022, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-supreme-court-isnt-done-watch-and-see-a-lot-of-individual-rights-fall/966843/159 "2022-07-01T01:56:16Z")
You, and I, and the SDMB, and the Internet, and popular opinion, can all of us tell what an establishment clause violation is. And most of us can see that the Supreme Court got it wrong. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2022, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-supreme-court-isnt-done-watch-and-see-a-lot-of-individual-rights-fall/966843/160 "2022-07-01T02:00:09Z")
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