# The Sweet 16 Addition By Subtraction LOL RAIDERS Steelers March to the Super Bowl Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [September 6, 2019, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sweet-16-addition-by-subtraction-lol-raiders-steelers-march-to-the-super-bowl-thread/839762 "2019-09-06T00:04:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2019, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sweet-16-addition-by-subtraction-lol-raiders-steelers-march-to-the-super-bowl-thread/839762/61 "2019-09-17T13:42:12Z")
> [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](#): > > Who? The guy who was suspended by the NFL for four games for sexually assaulting a college student. The guy who paid a great deal of money to a completely separate victim in another civil sexual assault case. That guy. Your QB. Ring any bells? I knew Steelers fans were dumb and forgiving of bad acts by their players, but this is extreme. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2019, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sweet-16-addition-by-subtraction-lol-raiders-steelers-march-to-the-super-bowl-thread/839762/62 "2019-09-17T14:28:43Z")
> [@Hamlet](#): > > The guy who was suspended by the NFL for four games for sexually assaulting a college student. The guy who paid a great deal of money to a completely separate victim in another civil sexual assault case. That guy. Your QB. Ring any bells? > > I knew Steelers fans were dumb and forgiving of bad acts by their players, but this is extreme. I interpreted Airman’s response as implying that the Steeler fans are moving past Ben, which might be wise. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2019, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sweet-16-addition-by-subtraction-lol-raiders-steelers-march-to-the-super-bowl-thread/839762/63 "2019-09-17T14:37:29Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > I interpreted Airman’s response as implying that the Steeler fans are moving past Ben, which might be wise. He always have been smarter than the average Steeler fan. Way, way smarter. I should have given him the benefit of the doubt and taken your interpretation rather than jump straight to asshole mode. Sorry Doors. ---
**Author:** ![Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e36b37/32.png) [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airman_Doors_USAF)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2019, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sweet-16-addition-by-subtraction-lol-raiders-steelers-march-to-the-super-bowl-thread/839762/64 "2019-09-17T22:55:59Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > I interpreted Airman’s response as implying that the Steeler fans are moving past Ben, which might be wise. No, I simply don’t know of any player named Rapistberger. In other words, he can stop being a child. That stopped being clever a very long time ago. It’s tiresome and I treated it as such. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2019, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sweet-16-addition-by-subtraction-lol-raiders-steelers-march-to-the-super-bowl-thread/839762/65 "2019-09-17T22:59:44Z")
I don’t think the Minkah trade is so smart by the Steelers. They are going to need that pick as they rebuild from the lack of AB and Big Ben. Meanwhile, the Dolphins are doing a mini-Herschel Walker trade by dealing Minkah to Pittsburgh. They could end up having the No. 1 overall first round pick next year, and another Top-10 first round pick. As tragic as Miami is now, they could be a decent team by 2021. ---
**Author:** ![Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e36b37/32.png) [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airman_Doors_USAF)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2019, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sweet-16-addition-by-subtraction-lol-raiders-steelers-march-to-the-super-bowl-thread/839762/66 "2019-09-17T23:05:06Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > I don’t think the Minkah trade is so smart by the Steelers. They are going to need that pick as they rebuild from the lack of AB and Big Ben. > > Meanwhile, the Dolphins are doing a mini-Herschel Walker trade by dealing Minkah to Pittsburgh. They could end up having the No. 1 overall first round pick next year, and another Top-10 first round pick. As tragic as Miami is now, they could be a decent team by 2021. Look at it this way: they got a guy they needed along with the majority of his rookie contract, only this time they let Miami kick the tires first before buying. They haven’t been particularly stellar at picking secondary, so this is a known quantity and a first-round pick that they don’t have to make, in exchange for a first-round pick Miami might get wrong. There’s literally no downside to the trade. ---
**Author:** ![Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e36b37/32.png) [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airman_Doors_USAF)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2019, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sweet-16-addition-by-subtraction-lol-raiders-steelers-march-to-the-super-bowl-thread/839762/67 "2019-09-17T23:38:09Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > I interpreted Airman’s response as implying that the Steeler fans are moving past Ben, which might be wise. I never really answered this, did I? If Rudolph turns out to be the answer, the Steelers are in a bind. Ben is a Hall of Famer but he’s also older and his time is soon coming to an end one way or another, so if he comes back do they keep him on the bench or do they put Rudolph back on the bench? However, if Rudolph isn’t the answer an older Ben is still better than anyone they’ll have any possibility of drafting or getting in free agency. So, are we moving past Ben? Yes. And no. And maybe. It’s just not that simple. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2019, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sweet-16-addition-by-subtraction-lol-raiders-steelers-march-to-the-super-bowl-thread/839762/68 "2019-09-18T00:35:45Z")
> [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](#): > > I never really answered this, did I? > > If Rudolph turns out to be the answer, the Steelers are in a bind. Ben is a Hall of Famer but he’s also older and his time is soon coming to an end one way or another, so if he comes back do they keep him on the bench or do they put Rudolph back on the bench? > > However, if Rudolph isn’t the answer an older Ben is still better than anyone they’ll have any possibility of drafting or getting in free agency. > > So, are we moving past Ben? Yes. And no. And maybe. It’s just not that simple. Since Ben won’t play until at least next season you’ll have some time to figure it out. ---
**Author:** ![Isosleepy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/isosleepy/32/479_2.png) [@Isosleepy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Isosleepy)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2019, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sweet-16-addition-by-subtraction-lol-raiders-steelers-march-to-the-super-bowl-thread/839762/69 "2019-09-18T00:55:48Z")
Steelers have no problems saying goodbye to faces of the franchise. To wit, recently: Polamalu, Deebo. Earlier, Hines Ward. If Rudolf proves out (which I don’t expect - he has talent and grit, but he’s not a QB for the ages- at least not yet) the Steelers will bid Ben bye ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2019, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sweet-16-addition-by-subtraction-lol-raiders-steelers-march-to-the-super-bowl-thread/839762/70 "2019-09-18T02:59:30Z")
> [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](#): > > No, I simply don’t know of any player named Rapistberger. That’ll teach me but good to give a Steeler fan the benefit of the doubt. Higher level thinking like context clues and word play are mind boggling for … some people who root for the Steelers. ---
**Author:** ![Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e36b37/32.png) [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airman_Doors_USAF)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2019, 1:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sweet-16-addition-by-subtraction-lol-raiders-steelers-march-to-the-super-bowl-thread/839762/71 "2019-09-18T13:03:32Z")
> [@Hamlet](#): > > That’ll teach me but good to give a Steeler fan the benefit of the doubt. Higher level thinking like context clues and word play are mind boggling for … some people who root for the Steelers. I understood exactly what you meant, but I’m not giving you the satisfaction of congratulating you for the kind of name a child would make up. What’s next, tongue stickers are butt lickers? Gonna call me fart face? You would have understood all that if you had read the rest of my initial response, but that was perhaps too adult for you. ---
**Author:** ![Isosleepy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/isosleepy/32/479_2.png) [@Isosleepy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Isosleepy)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2019, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sweet-16-addition-by-subtraction-lol-raiders-steelers-march-to-the-super-bowl-thread/839762/72 "2019-09-18T13:12:07Z")
It is my fond wish for someone to go back to being tedious in a castle in Denmark, rather than in this thread. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2019, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sweet-16-addition-by-subtraction-lol-raiders-steelers-march-to-the-super-bowl-thread/839762/73 "2019-09-18T13:16:30Z")
> [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](#): > > I understood exactly what you meant, but I’m not giving you the satisfaction of congratulating you for the kind of name a child would make up. What’s next, tongue stickers are butt lickers? Gonna call me fart face? I was thinking Chairman Floors. Keep going back to the well, I always say. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2019, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sweet-16-addition-by-subtraction-lol-raiders-steelers-march-to-the-super-bowl-thread/839762/74 "2019-09-18T13:32:45Z")
But I agree. It is a very bad thing to [change someone’s last name to mock them](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10166802&postcount=7). ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2019, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sweet-16-addition-by-subtraction-lol-raiders-steelers-march-to-the-super-bowl-thread/839762/75 "2019-09-18T13:55:50Z")
> [@Hamlet](#): > > But I agree. It is a very bad thing to [change someone’s last name to mock them](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10166802&postcount=7). Well done. ---
**Author:** ![Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e36b37/32.png) [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airman_Doors_USAF)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2019, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sweet-16-addition-by-subtraction-lol-raiders-steelers-march-to-the-super-bowl-thread/839762/76 "2019-09-18T14:02:04Z")
> [@Telemark](#): > > Well done. Indeed it was. I have zero problem being hoist by my own petard, even 11 years later. Guess that makes it OK, then. Please proceed. ---
**Author:** ![Harrington](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac8455/32.png) [@Harrington](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harrington)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2019, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sweet-16-addition-by-subtraction-lol-raiders-steelers-march-to-the-super-bowl-thread/839762/77 "2019-09-19T18:48:04Z")
> [@Isosleepy](#): > > I wasn’t wrong. That was upsetting AF. By “upsetting,” I presume you don’t mean emotionally disturbing (though I’m sure it was), rather, it was unexpected. Pittsburgh losing by 30 was unexpected, but a depleted Pittsburgh team losing at New England (50-time and current Super Bowl winner) was not. A Pittsburgh loss was expected by most people without an emotional attachment to the team. I can’t say it was necessarily wrong when you, et. al., said the Steelers would win (I mean, theoretically, Wisconsin-Whitewater could beat Alabama in Tuscaloosa), but I can say the Steelers losing was not upsetting, before or after the game. Remember, I’m talking about the Steelers losing, not losing by 30. ---
**Author:** ![Isosleepy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/isosleepy/32/479_2.png) [@Isosleepy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Isosleepy)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2019, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sweet-16-addition-by-subtraction-lol-raiders-steelers-march-to-the-super-bowl-thread/839762/78 "2019-09-19T19:51:54Z")
> [@Harrington](#): > > By “upsetting,” I presume you don’t mean emotionally disturbing (though I’m sure it was), rather, it was unexpected. Pittsburgh losing by 30 was unexpected, but a depleted Pittsburgh team losing at New England (50-time and current Super Bowl winner) was not. A Pittsburgh loss was expected by most people without an emotional attachment to the team. I can’t say it was necessarily wrong when you, et. al., said the Steelers would win (I mean, theoretically, Wisconsin-Whitewater could beat Alabama in Tuscaloosa), but I can say the Steelers losing was not upsetting, before or after the game. Remember, I’m talking about the Steelers losing, not losing by 30. It was a joke. Or rather, a play on words. Allow me to explain, because that always makes it better. When I said “an upset (…) is distinctly possible” I meant upset in the sense of an outcome counter to expectations. I.e. a Steeler win. When the Steelers not only didn’t win, but lost in a fashion unbecoming an NFL team not named “Bengals” , I called it “upsetting AF”. Using upset in the sense of distraught. Upset, upset. Get it? ---
**Author:** ![Harrington](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac8455/32.png) [@Harrington](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harrington)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2019, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sweet-16-addition-by-subtraction-lol-raiders-steelers-march-to-the-super-bowl-thread/839762/79 "2019-09-19T22:00:33Z")
> [@Isosleepy](#): > > It was a joke. Or rather, a play on words. Allow me to explain, because that always makes it better. > When I said “an upset (…) is distinctly possible” I meant upset in the sense of an outcome counter to expectations. I.e. a Steeler win. > When the Steelers not only didn’t win, but lost in a fashion unbecoming an NFL team not named “Bengals” , I called it “upsetting AF”. Using upset in the sense of distraught. > > Upset, upset. Get it? Hold on. After consulting Merriam-Webster, you’re right, there are discrete definitions of “Upset.” (paraphrasing) You: There could be an upset. Me: You’re just saying that because you like the Steelers. You: I’m not wrong. Yes, you got me. You didn’t flatly state, like the OP, the Steelers would win. You merely indicated they \*could \* win (I mean, duh, Winnebago High School _could_ beat Seattle). I am sorry I conflated the two. It was a nice play on words and subtle jab at Cincinnati. ---
**Author:** ![Isosleepy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/isosleepy/32/479_2.png) [@Isosleepy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Isosleepy)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2019, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sweet-16-addition-by-subtraction-lol-raiders-steelers-march-to-the-super-bowl-thread/839762/80 "2019-09-20T01:10:44Z")
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