# "The takeover of the environmental movement by capitalism is now complete."

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**Category:** Great Debates\
**Created:** [April 27, 2020, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-takeover-of-the-environmental-movement-by-capitalism-is-now-complete/852648 "2020-04-27T03:08:19Z")\
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**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\
**Post date:** [November 14, 2021, 11:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-takeover-of-the-environmental-movement-by-capitalism-is-now-complete/852648/41 "2021-11-14T11:38:24Z")

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Not a reliable source there.

> **[Planet of the humans: A reheated mess of lazy, old myths](https://ketanjoshi.co/2020/04/24/planet-of-the-humans-a-reheated-mess-of-lazy-old-myths/)**
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> This is the the first in a series on Planet of the Humans. The other posts are here: Post 2 – on where we’re at in 2020, with climate and clean tech Post 3 – on the ‘bigger …

> **[Five reasons why Michael Moore’s Planet of the Humans is a bad mistake](https://reneweconomy.com.au/five-reasons-why-michael-moores-planet-of-the-humans-is-a-bad-mistake-92497/)**
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> Michael Moore is one of my heroes, but this time he has made a bad mistake. His new film on renewable energy is out-of-date, superficial, simplistic and misleading.

And… only after looking at how unreliable a cite is, one has to look at how reliable the source it came from is. Even less reliable.

> **[The Grayzone](https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/The_Grayzone)**
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> The Grayzone is a webshite founded by Max Blumenthal (1977–), who was formerly a journalist for mainstream news publications but later became an RT contributor. The website purports itself to be "a news and politics website dedicated to original...

> **The Grayzone** is a [webshite](https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Webshite) founded by Max Blumenthal, a contributor to [RT](https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/RT). It purports itself to be “a news and [politics](https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Politics) website dedicated to original investigative [journalism](https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Journalism) on [war](https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/War) and [empire](https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Empire)”[[2]](https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/The_Grayzone#cite_note-2), but it mostly promotes [Assadist](https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Assad), [Russian](https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Russia), [Venezuelan](https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Venezuela), and [Chinese](https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/China) [propaganda](https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Propaganda). It is known for using _[ad hominem](https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Ad_hominem)_ attacks by calling critics [neocon](https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Neocon) [shills](https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Shill_gambit),[[3]](https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/The_Grayzone#cite_note-3) or [Mccarthyites](https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/McCarthyism).[[4]](https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/The_Grayzone#cite_note-4)

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**Author:** ![Omar\_Little](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omar_little/32/269_2.png) [@Omar\_Little](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omar_Little)\
**Post date:** [January 12, 2022, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-takeover-of-the-environmental-movement-by-capitalism-is-now-complete/852648/42 "2022-01-12T20:31:44Z")

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> [@septimus](#):
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> Many environmentalists, including myself, still believe that high human population is “the elephant in the room,” or as someone in the film says, “the herd of elephants in the room.”

If we are truly serious about preserving the human species on this planet, then significantly reducing the human population is the truly only serious method that such a task will be successful. Anything else is paying lip-service to the issue.

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