# The Talisman, by Peter Straub and Stephen King **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [January 14, 2005, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-talisman-by-peter-straub-and-stephen-king/284624 "2005-01-14T00:01:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Anaamika](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Anaamika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anaamika)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2005, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-talisman-by-peter-straub-and-stephen-king/284624/1 "2005-01-14T00:01:43Z")
I just finished this. I actually picked it up over a year ago, but just couldn’t get into it. This time it grabbed me right away. What a mistake. Well, mostly. I’m not saying it wasn’t good. Good at 1/2 the size, maybe. A 730 page book which could have been written in 400 pages or less. And the few characters I really liked either died or never came back again. I really liked Captain Farren. He reminded me of Vimes, way back in the beginning of Guards! Guards! - the world had kicked him down, and he was bitter and angry. Also I really liked Wolf - the first Wolf. He died a pretty horrible death. It seemed extremely gratituous. Come to think of it a \*lot \* of the violence seemed over the top. It seemed everybody and everything was against Jack, who by the way, was a fairly ineffectual, albeit likeable hero. Never saw the Queen, either, for more than that moment. Never got to meet her. Never got to hear her express her thanks, or if she even knew. Oh yeah. When I pick up a \*\*fantasy \*\* book, I want _fantasy_. More of the stuff about the Territories would have been nice. I didn’t really want to hear anything about that horrid boys’ school, and it was way too long of a section anyway. I know people like that exist in this world. I read fiction to get \*away \* from that crap. Altogether, the book was a disappointing read. There were some startling moments but mostly it plodded along in mediocrity. A sensation novel more than a real work of fiction, or fantasy. Opinions? DSL, DSL at home! Everything goes so fast! ---
**Author:** ![Rucksinator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/898d66/32.png) [@Rucksinator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rucksinator)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2005, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-talisman-by-peter-straub-and-stephen-king/284624/2 "2005-01-14T00:09:38Z")
It has been many years since I read it, but when I did (when I was about Jack’s age) I liked it a lot. I may have read it twice, in fact. Incidentally, a couple years ago, I tried to read Black House, the sequel, but couldn’t get into it. Then again, that goes for the last few SK books that I’ve tried to read. I don’t know if it’s him or me. ---
**Author:** ![Spree](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/919ad9/32.png) [@Spree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spree)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2005, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-talisman-by-peter-straub-and-stephen-king/284624/3 "2005-01-14T02:47:50Z")
I, too, read it at an early age, so I very much identified with Jacky Sawyer (he was my first book crush, I think). I don’t know how well it has withstood the test of time to someone reading with fresh eyes. I know I’ve read it several times and always enjoy it. It was my first experience with multiple authors, and although I read both authors pretty faithfully, I _still_ can’t tell where King ends and Straub picks up, so that aspect is kinda neat. I’m more of a light fantasy/hard-only sci-fi reader, so maybe that’s where you and I differ. I liked that it had this cool other world, and I couldn’t wait until the times when Jacky was in the Territories, but I liked the transitions to the real world as well. I enjoyed the characters, although I agree that the boy’s school and the whole section with cousin Richard was a little over the top. Unless you’re talking about the \*other \* boys’ school, the home, which broke my heart when Wolf died… ☹ I think the Queen was purposefully left rather vague, because the point (IMO) was that Jacky went through this whole incredible Save the World(s) journey but he really didn’t care about that or about being a hero…he simply wanted to save his mother. She was his world, and the rest didn’t really matter so much. **Rucksinator** , I slogged through Black House. Blech. The only reason I kept going was so that I could get some closure on Jack and see how he ends up. The whole story, though - I just couldn’t get into it. ---
**Author:** ![sleestak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/919ad9/32.png) [@sleestak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sleestak)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2005, 9:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-talisman-by-peter-straub-and-stephen-king/284624/4 "2005-01-14T09:18:23Z")
I haven’t reread The Talisman in a while but it is my second or third favorite King or Straub book. They only thing I really did not like about it was the ending. It just seemed anti-climatic. That and Wolfs end. Wolf is one of my favorite King or Straub characters. King tends to kill off alot of characters I really like. I haven’t noticed that so much with Straub. And Black House was just…Bleak. Slee ---
**Author:** ![Sean\_Factotum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/50afbb/32.png) [@Sean\_Factotum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sean_Factotum)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2005, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-talisman-by-peter-straub-and-stephen-king/284624/5 "2005-01-14T13:16:12Z")
> [@sleestak](#): > > And Black House was just…Bleak. And an unneccessary tie-in to King’s _Dark Tower_ milieu. But _The Talisman_ – two thumbs up. ---
**Author:** ![Scoundrel\_Swanswater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dfb087/32.png) [@Scoundrel\_Swanswater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scoundrel_Swanswater)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2005, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-talisman-by-peter-straub-and-stephen-king/284624/6 "2005-01-14T14:03:47Z")
I loved it the first time I read it, many, many moons ago. I re-read it this year, and I have to say that it didn’t age very well. ---
**Author:** ![Eats\_Crayons](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/278dde/32.png) [@Eats\_Crayons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eats_Crayons)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2005, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-talisman-by-peter-straub-and-stephen-king/284624/7 "2005-01-14T15:33:46Z")
I really liked it when I read it. But I’ll have to join in with those who said they read it when they were about Jack’s age. I’d have to reread it in order to give you an updated opinion. Maybe it just “works” better when you’re closer to the protagonist age (or too naive to know you’re reading crap). ---
**Author:** ![FilmGeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/b19c9b/32.png) [@FilmGeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FilmGeek)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2005, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-talisman-by-peter-straub-and-stephen-king/284624/8 "2005-01-14T16:00:02Z")
I’ve read it six or seven times. I love the book. Even the parts I hate, I love (like the Oatley Tap). My very dogeared copy is sitting on the desk next to me as I type. I hated Black House. I had such high expectations, because I love the Talisman so much, but it was very blah. ---
**Author:** ![Snickers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/5daacb/32.png) [@Snickers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snickers)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2005, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-talisman-by-peter-straub-and-stephen-king/284624/9 "2005-01-14T19:39:42Z")
Loved _The Talisman_. Have read it many times, but none lately, that much I must admit. And everyone else is spot on - Wolf rocks. Don’t remember much of _Black House_. Guess it didn’t make much of an impression. God pounds his nails. ---
**Author:** ![Thudlow\_Boink](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thudlow_boink/32/320_2.png) [@Thudlow\_Boink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thudlow_Boink)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2005, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-talisman-by-peter-straub-and-stephen-king/284624/10 "2005-01-14T19:49:15Z")
I liked both _The Talisman_ and _Black House_, though neither is a huge favorite. _Black House_ does take a _long_ time to get moving: the first—I don’t remember, 50? 100?—pages or so are just scene-setting. And it’s not the same kind of story as _The Talisman_, so anybody expecting the same kind of thing as _The Talisman_ is going to be disappointed.