# The Tea Party is not socially conservative my ass **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 11, 2010, 6:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760 "2010-10-11T06:09:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2010, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/181 "2010-10-12T20:23:13Z")
> [@sqweels](#): > > > [@Morella](#): > > > > Enter the Tea Party, with the message…we need conservatives, not necessarily Republicans in Congress. I have no argument with that. > > To put a stop to the dreaded homosexual agenda, right? And bring back our christian nation, where God’s laws (I wonder who gets to pick and choose) will take precedence over the Constitution and laws “of men”. Where government will stay out of healthcare, but give my my medicare, medicaid, and social security. Where young people will jump to fight in wars, when I myself hid from the draft and never served in any capacity, military or civilian. Where I can brandish my guns and talk about “second Amendment” solutions to the “nigger in the White House”, but anyone who talks about “my” boy W is a traitor. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2010, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/182 "2010-10-12T20:31:03Z")
> [@Chicagojeff](#): > > > [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > > > To be honest, I don’t know that there is one right now. 😃 > > > > I think we’ll just have to wait until it coalesces around some identifiable leader or leaders. Right now it’s just a large group of people pissed off at the direction the country has been headed and the way it’s been run. And not just during Obama’s tenure, but for quite a long while. > > > > See above. > > > > Not in my opinion, although plenty disapprove quite a lot of what he and congress have done over the last two years. But like I said to **Miller** , I think a lot of it goes back a long way. > > Yeah.. and they just suddenly got interested when a Black guy got the corner office gig?? More like they got interested once a faux-moderate got into office and instantly started governing like the full-blown liberal that he really is, accompanied by an arrogant, out of control congress knowingly defying the will of the people. And as to why now, I’d say it’s that this administration and congress have been the straw that broke the camel’s back. My impression is that most Tea Partiers have been unhappy with the direction this country has been headed for a long time and Obama plus Reid and Pelosi’s congress have finally pushed them over the edge. Guys like you may like to pretend the problem is Obama’s race, or you might even actually believe it. But the real problem is and has been throughout his administration that the government has tried to take the country much further to the left than it wants to go - which is to say ‘not at all’, given that in reality this is a center-right country. Guys like you might like to pretend the problem is Obama’s race, or you might even actually believe it. But the real problem is and has been throughout Obama’s administration that the government has tried to take the country much further to the left than it wants, which is to say ‘not at all’ given that in reality this is a center-right country and you guys only got elected because you ‘weren’t Bush’. But that’s okay. While you guys continue to wander around in the wilderness seeking one true non-racist and looking down your noses at everyone you think doesn’t fill that role, we’ll be keeping our eyes on the ball and taking away the keys to the car that you’ve been driving with such abandon and arrogance since the last election. Most every sixteen-year-old knows that if you want Daddy to let you drive the car, you’re going to have to drive it the way he wants. You guys just ain’t been doin’ that and now you’re about to lose your driving priviliges. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2010, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/183 "2010-10-12T20:39:31Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > > [@Chicagojeff](#): > > > > Yeah.. and they just suddenly got interested when a Black guy got the corner office gig?? > > More like they got interested once a faux-moderate got into office and instantly started governing like the full-blown liberal that he really is, accompanied by an arrogant, out of control congress knowingly defying the will of the people. In your alternate universe, does it rain? ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2010, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/184 "2010-10-12T20:50:09Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > > [@Chicagojeff](#): > > > > Yeah.. and they just suddenly got interested when a Black guy got the corner office gig?? > > More like they got interested once a faux-moderate got into office and instantly started governing like the full-blown liberal that he really is, accompanied by an arrogant, out of control congress knowingly defying the will of the people. Not even you believe those unutterably stupid lies. Obama has moved far to the **right** since he took office. He has turned out to be just another Bill Clinton – which ain’t bad, but it ain’t what his supporters thought they were campaigning for, either. Any disappointment you see is for that reason alone. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2010, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/185 "2010-10-12T20:55:19Z")
> [@Starving Artist](#): > > Guys like you may like to pretend the problem is Obama’s race, or you might even actually believe it. But the real problem is and has been throughout his administration that the government has tried to take the country much further to the left than it wants to go - which is to say ‘not at all’, given that in reality this is a center-right country. > > Guys like you might like to pretend the problem is Obama’s race, or you might even actually believe it. But the real problem is and has been throughout Obama’s administration that the government has tried to take the country much further to the left than it wants, which is to say ‘not at all’ given that in reality this is a center-right country and you guys only got elected because you ‘weren’t Bush’. But that’s okay. While you guys continue to wander around in the wilderness seeking one true non-racist and looking down your noses at everyone you think doesn’t fill that role, we’ll be keeping our eyes on the ball and taking away the keys to the car that you’ve been driving with such abandon and arrogance since the last election. Most every sixteen-year-old knows that if you want Daddy to let you drive the car, you’re going to have to drive it the way he wants. You guys just ain’t been doin’ that and now you’re about to lose your driving priviliges. Damn! Sometimes editing is not my friend. My apologies. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2010, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/186 "2010-10-12T21:03:53Z")
Well, golly, if this is a cernter right country, how come you guys lose so often? Ought to have a comfortable majority just about everywhere, but the righty guy won the 2000 popular vote by minus half a million. Barely squeeked in 2004, got killed in 2006, double killed in 2008. And this after your team pulled just about every dirty trick in the book. You and the Tea Party share a poltiical myth, that they represent the “real” Ameicans, that they and you represent the silent majority, that really these election results are just a trick by a non-existent liberal media. In truth, the country is dominated by the Apathy Party. Apathy and hopelessness are far worse an enemy that the rightarded. Taking the long view, over the forty odd years I’ve been in this game, how come you’re losing? How come the ideals that I espoused then and expouse now, ideas that used to be radical and extreme, are growing increasingly centrist? If I’m losing, what are you bitching about all the time? If I’m losing, how come you’re not winning? Wheres the comfortable majority of a center-right nation, how come you gotta fight dirty all the time? How come your hopes are riding on a crop of nutbars and extremist loons? If this were truly a center-right country, the corporatist conservatives wouldn’t need to make these unholy alliances, and moderate Republicans would still have some power. Instead of cringing before the onslaught, offering lip service to putrid positions that would gag a maggot. You are as coy as a blushing maiden of old, **Starving.** You won’t actually defend the Tea Party extremists, so you attack their attackers. So, tell us: what parts of the Tea Party agenda fill you with pride? The anti-gay stuff? The anti-Muslim stuff? The fundamentalist stuff? Would you vote for someone who wanted to make teaching evolution illegal? Would you vote for a man who wanted a sexualilty test for school teachers, that they must prove they walk the straight and narrow when they walk to the bedroom? Instead of telling us what you don’t like about us, tell us what you like about them. And oh, by the way, about Daddy’s car. Its not his car. Its ours. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2010, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/187 "2010-10-12T21:05:47Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Damn! Sometimes editing is not my friend. My apologies. That is like saying that the problem with the Titanic was the arrangement of deck chairs. ---
**Author:** ![villa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/bc79bd/32.png) [@villa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/villa)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2010, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/188 "2010-10-12T21:17:16Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Well, golly, if this is a cernter right country, how come you guys lose so often? Illegal immigration. Gays recruiting. And I am sure the Jews are involved somehow. They always are. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2010, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/189 "2010-10-12T21:21:47Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > You’re being awfully selective in the posts you respond to, **Starv**. There are a couple of genuine questions posed to you in this thread. Care to go back and try to address those? Oh, stop pretending that it’s a real, thinking person already. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![user\_hostile](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/user_hostile/32/474_2.png) [@user\_hostile](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/user_hostile)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2010, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/190 "2010-10-12T21:25:19Z")
> [@Morella](#): > > Granted, I can see how the “diaperhead” comment would be insulting to some people, especially people like my grandparents, but what the hell…they’re dead. You think your grandparents would be honored that you said this? Were they abusive? Or mean-spirited? I just don’t get the _coolness_ factor of dissing your blood relatives. How cool would be if your grand-kids called you “sand-nigger?” ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2010, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/191 "2010-10-12T21:25:32Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > And as to why now, I’d say it’s that this administration and congress have been the straw that broke the camel’s back. So, where exactly is the tipping point, what was the last straw? Is it a certain level of debt, or deficits for some number of years in a row? What line did we step over to provoke this righteous anger? C’mon, give us something we can measure. Nail your colors to the mast. But remember that this place has a long memory; and next time Republicans are in power and say “deficits don’t matter”, your words will still be here. > [@](#): > > My impression is that most Tea Partiers have been unhappy with the direction this country has been headed for a long time and Obama plus Reid and Pelosi’s congress have finally pushed them over the edge. It’s ridiculous to think that this country has only gone in one direction. From 2001-2007[sup]\*[/sup], the country moved hard to the right. Now there have been a couple steps to the left and you claim that there’s been some long-simmering pot that just boiled over? I’m not buying it. Let’s not kid ourselves about 1993-2001, either. If this is some long-term trend, does anybody think today’s Tea Partiers were happier under Clinton than George W. Bush? ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2010, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/192 "2010-10-12T21:34:33Z")
> [@Morella](#): > > Are you Muslim? Or do you just feel an aching in your loins to defend people who put laundry on their heads? Silly me, and all these years I thought that it was Sikh men who are known for wearing turbans, not Muslims. Oh wait, _it is_. > [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > I’m not sure that’s a valid argument. There aren’t any black people at hockey games, either, but it doesn’t mean the NHL is racist. The hockey game doesn’t run the country. Presumably, if a political movement neglects to attract an audience with a particular group that is relatively representative of its area demographics, there’s something going on. > [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > You’re being awfully selective in the posts you respond to, **Starv**. There are a couple of genuine questions posed to you in this thread. Care to go back and try to address those? Of course he doesn’t. > [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > More like they got interested once a faux-moderate got into office and instantly started governing like the full-blown liberal that he really is This is the most hilariously dead fucking wrong thing I’ve read in at least a month. I mean, you almost literally reversed the situation. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2010, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/193 "2010-10-12T21:40:25Z")
> [@user\_hostile](#): > > > [@Morella](#): > > > > Granted, I can see how the “diaperhead” comment would be insulting to some people, especially people like my grandparents, but what the hell…they’re dead. > > You think your grandparents would be honored that you said this? Were they abusive? Or mean-spirited? > > I just don’t get the _coolness_ factor of dissing your blood relatives. How cool would be if your grand-kids called you “sand-nigger?” Whatever. Now we know his background. He’s not a real American. He may be Muslim himself. He should get out of our country. He doesn’t belong here. :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2010, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/194 "2010-10-12T21:44:08Z")
Oh, really? I missed that part, I only recall him being cutie-pie coy about his ethnicity, building up to the point where he would astonish and devastate us with the revelation. Guess he thought somebody would care. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2010, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/195 "2010-10-12T21:56:36Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Oh, really? I missed that part, I only recall him being cutie-pie coy about his ethnicity, building up to the point where he would astonish and devastate us with the revelation. Guess he thought somebody would care. Aha!!! Exactly!!! We don’t like none o’ them cutie pie types neither!!! ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2010, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/196 "2010-10-12T21:59:17Z")
> [@Merijeek](#): > > > [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > > > You’re being awfully selective in the posts you respond to, **Starv**. There are a couple of genuine questions posed to you in this thread. Care to go back and try to address those? > > Oh, stop pretending that it’s a real, thinking person already. Well, some people respond to **SA** ’s obstinacy with insults. I take the opposite approach. (Even defended him once when I thought the insults got out of line.) He even insulted me once. I at least like to put the lie to his claims that he only fights back when provoked. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2010, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/197 "2010-10-12T21:59:21Z")
> [@](#): > > …We don’t like none o’ them cutie pie types neither!!! I like the ones with poor eyesight and/or low standards. ---
**Author:** ![emacknight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3ec8ea/32.png) [@emacknight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/emacknight)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2010, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/198 "2010-10-12T22:01:14Z")
> [@villa](#): > > > [@elucidator](#): > > > > Well, golly, if this is a cernter right country, how come you guys lose so often? > > Illegal immigration. Gays recruiting. And I am sure the Jews are involved somehow. They always are. Don’t forget ACORN, and all that voter fraud. And I’m sure the liberals some how confused conservatives on many more issues than just evolution. I bet if you looked, you’d find that post conservatives thought thy were voting AGAINST Obama, what with all that complicated language we tend to use. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2010, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/199 "2010-10-12T22:02:24Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > …Well, some people respond to **SA** ’s obstinacy with insults. I take the opposite approach… I saw that! _The Horse’s Ass Whisperer_, right? ---
**Author:** ![emacknight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3ec8ea/32.png) [@emacknight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/emacknight)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2010, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/200 "2010-10-12T22:04:33Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > > [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > > > More like they got interested once a faux-moderate got into office and instantly started governing like the full-blown liberal that he really is > > This is the most hilariously dead fucking wrong thing I’ve read in at least a month. I mean, you almost literally reversed the situation. Really? Is that the first thread of his you’ve read? Cause there are [750](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/search.php?searchid=5789308) more just like that. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760.md?page=11)