# The Tea Party is not socially conservative my ass **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 11, 2010, 6:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760 "2010-10-11T06:09:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 23
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2010, 5:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/441 "2010-10-17T05:13:30Z")
[ > [@Michael Steele](#): > > There is no struggle, rift, fight between those who claim the banner of the tea party and those who are in the Republican Party. We work together. ]([http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US\_PALIN\_CALIFORNIA?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2010-10-16-22-32-44](http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_PALIN_CALIFORNIA?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2010-10-16-22-32-44)) Offered just in case there are still people trying to maintain the fiction that the “tea party” is anything other than a slick marketing move by the Republicans. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2010, 5:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/442 "2010-10-17T05:43:18Z")
Mr. Steele reminds me of a crew boss I had, he had a hat said “I am their Leader! Where are they?” ---
**Author:** ![emacknight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3ec8ea/32.png) [@emacknight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/emacknight)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2010, 12:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/443 "2010-10-17T12:04:45Z")
> [@Morella](#): > > > [@emacknight](#): > > > > I was hoping to go to work drunk and/or stoned. And my plan was to use your “Not ONE aviation accident, in any airline, has ever been proven to have been caused by illegal drug use” as my justification. > > “Not one aviation accident, in any airline, has ever been proven to have been caused by illegal drug use” does not imply that “pilots use drugs”, or that “pilots should use drugs”. How are you getting to that conclusion? If you don’t test me, you won’t know. And if you remove the regulatory agency with authority, no one will stop me. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2010, 12:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/444 "2010-10-17T12:16:01Z")
> [@Morella](#): > > Not ONE aviation accident, in any airline, has ever been proven to have been caused by illegal drug use. Last I checked, the people investigating the accidents were the FAA; a big government bureaucracy, and therefore incompetent. They must have been just frittering away money, padding their expense accounts with junkets to conferences and crash sites, stuff like that. Then, on the afternoon the report was due, they just flipped a coin and said “wind shear, everyone okay with that?” I don’t see why you’d trust their conclusions about whether the pilots were high or not. Just more government incompetence. We’re better off without it. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2010, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/445 "2010-10-17T14:01:42Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > > [@Morella](#): > > > > Not ONE aviation accident, in any airline, has ever been proven to have been caused by illegal drug use. > > > > So, I have to ask…what is the justification for spending billions of dollars on drug testing? > > > > Hey, you brought it up, man… > > Not one person has escaped from Pelican Bay. So why spend millions on guards? :rolleyes: > > Jesus fuck, is every single libertarian a fucking idiot? No, just living in a world that makes Disney movies look realistic. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![CannyDan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cannydan/32/548_2.png) [@CannyDan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CannyDan)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2010, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/446 "2010-10-17T14:46:37Z")
> [@Plan\_B](#): > > [Not fitting the narrative](http://pajamasmedia.com/instapundit/108087/) > > Here’s an interesting story about those socially conservative Tea Party lunatics What story? I see a paid advertising street sign from Texas, giving absolutely zero indication of the actual popularity of the sentiment it expresses. For all we know, it was commissioned by some white guy with an English - Spanish dictionary. Similarly, the other photo depicts a woman of possibly Latino ancestry holding a sign. Look closely at the people in the background and show me a single other individual who looks at all “ethnic”. As far as I can tell, they are all blindingly white. This is your exhibition of the Tea Party’s “diversity” or a demonstration that it has broken free of the shackles of social conservatism? Epic fail. ---
**Author:** ![DianaG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7ab992/32.png) [@DianaG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DianaG)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2010, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/447 "2010-10-17T14:56:59Z")
Based on everything I know about them, with a special emphasis on their defenders here, I’m led to the conclusion that the Tea Party is above all else socially inept. ---
**Author:** ![42fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/4/b487fb/32.png) [@42fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/42fish)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2010, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/448 "2010-10-17T16:28:41Z")
> [@Morella](#): > > > [@kaylasdad99](#): > > > > For curiosity’s sake, where would one go to learn exactly how much money has actually been spent on drug testing? > > Google search? Which can also be used to check on Morella’s claim about no fatral air crashes being caused by drugs: “In 1988, a Trans-Colorado Airlines, Fairchild Metro III, operating as Continental Express, with two crew members and 15 passengers on board, crashed short of the runway at Durango, Colorado, killing the two crew members and seven passengers. The NTSB found that the captain’s use of cocaine degraded his performance and contributed to the accident (NTSB, 1989).” [From “Alcohol and Other Drug Use in Commercial Transportation” by James Hall, the then-chair of the NTSB; found at [Alcohol and Other Drug Use in Commercial Transportation](http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/misc/driving/s1p1.htm)] ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2010, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/449 "2010-10-17T16:33:15Z")
> [@DianaG](#): > > Based on everything I know about them, with a special emphasis on their defenders here, I’m led to the conclusion that the Tea Party is above all else socially inept. I think the phrase you want is “Chronically and Irrevocably Stupid”. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2010, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/450 "2010-10-17T17:42:11Z")
> [@42fish](#): > > > [@Morella](#): > > > > Google search? > > Which can also be used to check on Morella’s claim about no fatral air crashes being caused by drugs: > > “In 1988, a Trans-Colorado Airlines, Fairchild Metro III, operating as Continental Express, with two crew members and 15 passengers on board, crashed short of the runway at Durango, Colorado, killing the two crew members and seven passengers. The NTSB found that the captain’s use of cocaine degraded his performance and contributed to the accident (NTSB, 1989).” > > [From “Alcohol and Other Drug Use in Commercial Transportation” by James Hall, the then-chair of the NTSB; found at [Alcohol and Other Drug Use in Commercial Transportation](http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/misc/driving/s1p1.htm)] \ So, **Morella** … is it that you thought you could get away with a lie, or are you just so fucking stupid that you think whatever you think is a “fact”? ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2010, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/451 "2010-10-17T17:44:18Z")
> [@Morella](#): > > > [@Lobohan](#): > > > > Wow. You’re more of an idiot than I thought. You actually believe that Saddam had WMD? Okay then. I guess there’s not point talking to you. I’m sorry to bring facts to your ignorance jamboree. > > > > Tell me about Obama’s birth certificate, why don’t you? > > Does this mean that you have a comment about the two links that I posted, or that you have other information to share? Or do you just feel better for having called me an idiot? > > What would you like to know about Obama’s birth certificate? Look, I know you’re a douche that has no intention of living in a world bound by the dictates of fact and reality. I know you’ll simply ignore what I write here because you’re so weak and angry that nothing can change the narrative of throbbing stupidity that constantly runs through your squinting, frothing melon. But still, I’ll address your bullshit on the merits. Because I’m compulsive this way. Hoekstra and Santorum showed up on a news conference waving a report that was already public and saying, “We found us the WMD! Hyuk!” That report was the [Duelfer Report](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_Survey_Group). Take some time to read and understand now. The report said that Saddam didn’t have any WMDs. The report said that he destroyed them in the 90s, and was complying. The report also said that some old stockpiles of shells were left to rot in places. Apparently as an oversight. Imagine someone pulls a gun on you and says, “Destroy all the issues of **Angry, Incoherent Bitch Monthly** that you have in your trailer.” Imagine you comply, you take them off your bookshelf and pull them from the nightstand and burn the whole bunch. You cancel your subscription and you generally do what he asks. But then, years later the guy with the gun is back and he searches your house and finds a copy of **Angry Incoherent Bitch Monthly** under your sink. The pages are swelled shut and you can barely make out the cover, but he’s saying that you have a stockpile. When in actuality you just forgot you dropped one there. Iraq is a country of 20 million people. Saddam did get rid of his stockpiles and programs. But some units somewhere either didn’t comply, didn’t read the labels, or just fucking made a mistake. And for 20 years a tiny, tiny fucking amount of sensitive material was degrading out in the environment. The shells that were left couldn’t be fired. They weren’t at potency and they were rusted like the Trans Am in your mom’s front yard. So please, you fucking simpleton, all I ask is that you try to learn before smugly pointing to a widely debunked news conference by a couple of lawmakers that might actually be stupider than you. As for the second link, that’s just a bunch of un-sourced paranoia. As for the birth certificate I was wondering if you were a birther. Just trying to gauge your level of ability. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2010, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/452 "2010-10-17T18:54:56Z")
Have you a container of cottage cheese available to you? ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2010, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/453 "2010-10-17T19:22:49Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Have you a container of cottage cheese available to you? I have such a container within my grasp. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2010, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/454 "2010-10-17T19:47:38Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > [ > Jesus fuck, is every single libertarian a fucking idiot? I have to admit that drug testing for airline pilots does seem kind of stupid. Having rules about not being drunk while you’re flying a plane, sure. Testing a guy to see if he’s smoking pot on his downtime is a waste of money. Or to extend the issue to truck driving, the USA forces commercial drivers to take a drug test annually; Canada does not. There is not the slightest evidence whatsoever that Canada has a problem with drug-related truck accidents as a result. Drug tests are invasive of the 99% of people who don’t have drug problems and are extremely unlikely to catch or stop the ones that do. ---
**Author:** ![emacknight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3ec8ea/32.png) [@emacknight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/emacknight)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2010, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/455 "2010-10-17T20:05:25Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > > [@42fish](#): > > > > Which can also be used to check on Morella’s claim about no fatral air crashes being caused by drugs: > > > > “In 1988, a Trans-Colorado Airlines, Fairchild Metro III, operating as Continental Express, with two crew members and 15 passengers on board, crashed short of the runway at Durango, Colorado, killing the two crew members and seven passengers. The NTSB found that the captain’s use of cocaine degraded his performance and contributed to the accident (NTSB, 1989).” > > > > [From “Alcohol and Other Drug Use in Commercial Transportation” by James Hall, the then-chair of the NTSB; found at [Alcohol and Other Drug Use in Commercial Transportation](http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/misc/driving/s1p1.htm)] > > \ > > So, **Morella** … is it that you thought you could get away with a lie, or are you just so fucking stupid that you think whatever you think is a “fact”? Unfortunately for us, it seems **Morella** is back on the road (or to the skies). We were so close to fighting ignorance. Someone should wait a week and google either that part platform, or the “no drug related crashes” and see if he/she/it pops up on another board spouting the same nonsense. ---
**Author:** ![E-Sabbath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19adc/32.png) [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2010, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/456 "2010-10-17T22:37:35Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > So, **Morella** … is it that you thought you could get away with a lie, or are you just so fucking stupid that you think whatever you think is a “fact”? Judging from his statement about the ethnic makeup of tea parties, the answer appears to be yes. ---
**Author:** ![DianaG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7ab992/32.png) [@DianaG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DianaG)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2010, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/457 "2010-10-18T04:12:06Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > I think the phrase you want is “Chronically and Irrevocably Stupid”. Well sure, but it seemed redundant. The Tea Party, such as it is, is nothing more than a festival of petulance. I take them about as seriously as I take a toddler’s tantrum. ---
**Author:** ![anya\_marie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ebca7d/32.png) [@anya\_marie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/anya_marie)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2010, 6:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/458 "2010-10-18T06:04:04Z")
Morella, thanks a bunch for attacking my hygiene, and calling me a stoner. It’s so fucking nice to know that’s all i can expect from you. I asked for a job, not a handout, but i suppose that means nothing to you. Thanks for clearing up the position of your fellow tea partiers, and for spouting the same bullshit about tax cuts creating jobs, certainly one doesn’t get that frm MSNBC. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Jeffrey\_Lebowski](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_jeffrey_lebowski/32/215_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Jeffrey\_Lebowski](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Jeffrey_Lebowski)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2010, 7:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/459 "2010-10-18T07:38:18Z")
> [@E-Sabbath](#): > > Judging from **his** statement about the ethnic makeup of tea parties, the answer appears to be yes. Her ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2010, 12:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760/460 "2010-10-18T12:54:39Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > Imagine you comply, you take them off your bookshelf and pull them from the nightstand and burn the whole bunch. You cancel your subscription and you generally do what he asks. But then, years later the guy with the gun is back and he searches your house and finds a copy of **Angry Incoherent Bitch Monthly** under your sink. The pages are swelled shut and you can barely make out the cover, but he’s saying that you have a stockpile. When in actuality you just forgot you dropped one there. Or, even more realistically, you get married and it turns out you forgot a bit of porn you had stuck somewhere out of the way. Not that I’m speaking from experience. -Joe [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760.md?page=22) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-tea-party-is-not-socially-conservative-my-ass/556760.md?page=24)